[QUOTE=Dan2593;46442834]No at the end Danny was communicating from the Nether Sphere. There minds all went back once the bodies were destroyed. Danny sent the boy back using the bracelet.[/QUOTE]Yeah and he very clearly said 'this place is dying now'.
all i could imagine when the doctor was wailing on the console was malcolm tucker yelling "fucking lying piece of shit fucking bitch"
[QUOTE=Grizz;46442835]Watched more Thick of It last night....
...got to see Malcolm Tucker flying through the air, tonight (while Ollie looked impressed) :v: Yet I still can't merge the characters when I'm watching either. Capaldi is the best thing to happen to Doctor Who in many years.[/QUOTE]
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This is the emotional intensity I was waiting for. Floored me. Absolutely heart breaking.
Discussed episode with a friend.
It kinda [I]derailed[/I]
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Man you guys seemed to really hate that episode
I really liked it and didn't think the end thing with gallifrey needed much explaining. She lied. It wasn't there. Its the master. Not in the least surprising. Then he lied to clara to make her feel less guilty. Again, totally in character, not at all out of the ordinary
I think the truly disturbing thing about Missy's weapon wasn't how it killed people. It was her motivation for doing so.
The Master has killed people for tons of different reasons over the years. Sometimes as part of a plan, sometimes because he needs to or thinks he needs to, sometimes just for fun. But when he has done it for the latter in the past, he's taken the pleasure from that person's suffering- torturing Jack and killing him over and over again just for the sadistic pleasure, for instance.
But this time, it was different. The people Missy shoots just die. Instantly. They feel nothing, they're just instantly gone. Instead, what she does is she [I]terrorises[/I] them before they die. Their last moments aren't agony, they're sheer existential horror, and honestly I think that's far worse. Not to mention that she kills Osgood (a character who'd actually had a fucking backstory and shit, although by her third scene it was obvious she was going to die) just because she fancies it.
Seriously though, those UNIT soldiers were so incompetent I thought they were going to turn out to be in leagues with her.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;46442871]and didn't think the end thing with gallifrey needed much explaining. She lied. It wasn't there. Its the master. Not in the least surprising. Then he lied to clara to make her feel less guilty. Again, totally in character, not at all out of the ordinary[/QUOTE]I don't think that's why people dislike the episode.
That said, I love how twisted it was that [sp]she lied about Gallifrey[/sp].
Dann commands the cybermen to fly up and explode, but only a tiny percent of the dead had woke up, soes thia mean that every undisturbed grave has a cybereman in it now
[QUOTE=Freeze;46442881]I don't think that's why people dislike the episode.[/QUOTE]
i saw a post about how silly that was on the last page or maybe I made it up
but overall I still liked the episode. It was interesting and different to most finales. And I've always been fine with Danny Pink tbh, I thought his acting was good in this as well. Good makeup work on his face in the cyberman costume as well
[QUOTE=killerteacup;46442871]Man you guys seemed to really hate that episode
I really liked it and didn't think the end thing with gallifrey needed much explaining. She lied. It wasn't there. Its the master. Not in the least surprising. Then he lied to clara to make her feel less guilty. Again, totally in character, not at all out of the ordinary[/QUOTE]
I've not read back as there's 100 or so posts of live-posting so I'm surprised people "hate" it :(
I thought that it topped off part one beautifully. A great hour of television. Heartbreaking, funny and thoroughly entertaining.
I do believe it's my favourite of Series 8 and ALMOST my favourite finale. I feel The Master had a greater presence in his last two-parter but that's purely because he had the advantage of being introduced before then.
Series 8. A+. Favourite series.
[QUOTE=killerteacup;46442902]i saw a post about how silly that was on the last page or maybe I made it up
but overall I still liked the episode. It was interesting and different to most finales. And I've always been fine with Danny Pink tbh, I thought his acting was good in this as well. Good makeup work on his face in the cyberman costume as well[/QUOTE]
that was me
i said that because it just felt like an empty conclusion
[QUOTE=Skellyhell;46442889]Dann commands the cybermen to fly up and explode, but only a tiny percent of the dead had woke up, soes thia mean that every undisturbed grave has a cybereman in it now[/QUOTE]
no, the ones that didn't ever wake up weren't given cyberman bodies at all afaik
Wait people seriously dislike it? It's the first time all the reviews have been positive (even Moon had negative ones). Twitter, Tumblr and Facebook has been mega positive.
I was under the impression this was a golden age?! What was wrong with it?
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46442914]Wait people seriously dislike it? It's the first time all the reviews have been positive (even Moon had negative ones). Twitter, Tumblr and Facebook has been mega positive.
I was under the impression this was a golden age?! What was wrong with it?[/QUOTE]
Thank you for confirming my faith as I very, very much enjoyed the episode. Maybe we're just easily impressed.
The only gripe I had was I felt that missy got a bit too honest at the end. I don't think she would have ever given the doctor that power. That felt a bit out of character. But overall the reveal with gallifrey proved to me that she was still just playing mind games and I'm sure we'll see her again.
[QUOTE=Nibroc;46442907]that was me
i said that because it just felt like an empty conclusion[/QUOTE]
I feel it would have been a more empty conclusion if they actually found gallifrey, it would totally have been out of the master's character
I can guarantee if there's a gallifrey reveal its not going to come from such an unreliable character
[QUOTE=Skellyhell;46442889]Dann commands the cybermen to fly up and explode, but only a tiny percent of the dead had woke up, soes thia mean that every undisturbed grave has a cybereman in it now[/QUOTE]
no, the ones that didn't ever wake up weren't given cyberman bodies at all afaik
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46442914]
I was under the impression this was a golden age?! What was wrong with it?[/QUOTE]
Danny Pink. YT reactor Redbeard summed it up for me.
[QUOTE]@TheReddishBeard
there's no way Danny was a strong/loved enough character to make that finale meaningful. For me at any rate. [/QUOTE]
There are those who say 12 was too rude, but Danny was just a prick to The Doctor. Even after death. Glad he's gone.
Then on a side-note there's the stereotypical terrible guards who are going to annoy me on every watch. She's there putting on her lipstick (I'm really talking about The Master, aren't I :v:) and they don't notice she has her hands free? Really?
Thankfully Capaldi & Gomez were there being consistently awesome and incredibly watchable.
They had Michelle Gomez and Capaldi playing fantastic roles and they still messed it up even after a decent buildup episode. Keep the chap who wrote Mummy Express and Flatline, sack the rest of the writers. I didn't like Matt Smith as the Doctor, thought his run was awful and I seldom enjoyed any of his episodes. Capaldi is so much better but even he couldn't save this season; the common factor is Moffat. Moffat needs to go, not sure how many more terrible episodes I can take. The forest and moon episodes were some of the worst tv episodes I've seen, not just in Doctor Who.
EDIT: Did they ever mention Pink was a solider?
Awful actor, awful script. So bad. I'm glad Clara will be gone after Christmas.
I thought that was one of the better bits, Samuel Anderson pulled it off really well and the basic dynamic in that group was so much more interesting than any other companion dynamic in a long while, really
[QUOTE=poi;46442972]Keep the chap who wrote Mummy Express and Flatline, sack the rest of the writers. [/QUOTE]
The chap said it was pressure enough with Moffat helping him with two scripts..
What's Plan B?
Was I just not paying enough attention or did Osgood not explode in red, like the soldiers and Seb, but just disperse?
Because now I headcanon Missy set it to send her to the Afterlife (after it's been all cleared out), brought her out of there somehow, teleported to her TARDIS (which is why she went up in blue), and began travelling with Osgood as a (forced) companion
[QUOTE=Grizz;46442942]
There are those who say 12 was too rude, but Danny was just a prick to The Doctor. Even after death. Glad he's gone.
Then on a side-note there's the stereotypical terrible guards who are going to annoy me on every watch. She's there putting on her lipstick (I'm really talking about The Master, aren't I :v:) and they don't notice she has her hands free? Really?
Thankfully Capaldi & Gomez were there being consistently awesome and incredibly watchable.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how anyone could've liked Danny. He was detestable and useless. The writing in Doctor Who has deteriorated so much, it's remarkable how much plot induced stupidity there is. Totally agree that Capaldi and Gomez were the best thing about this series, unfortunately for me, it wasn't enough.
[QUOTE=Grizz;46442942]Danny Pink. YT reactor Redbeard summed it up for me.
There are those who say 12 was too rude, but Danny was just a prick to The Doctor. Even after death. Glad he's gone.
Then on a side-note there's the stereotypical terrible guards who are going to annoy me on every watch. She's there putting on her lipstick and they don't notice she has her hands free? Really?
Thankfully Capaldi & Gomez were there being consistently awesome.[/QUOTE]
I would say the guard thing is overlooked. Doesn't ruin the episode. Was annoying. They could've at least raised weapons.
I always liked Danny. I thought the point was he was just as bad to The Doctor as The Doctor was to him. But they were incredibly good, nice and kind people. They put others before them. They both had incorrect and harmful perceptions of each other. If Danny knew The Doctor's extensive past he'd have understood. If The Doctor knew Danny's he'd have understood. But they never gave each other the time.
Both were just being fiercely defensive of Clara from what they perceived was a monster based purely on their own experience. Longer time spent together would've made them into brothers in arms. Just like Brigadier and The Doctor who had the same rocky relationship full of hate, for everything the other represented. But as time went on you could just tell they really cared for eachother and it became essentially workplace banter. Even when he came back as The Fourth Doctor they kept it up. "He should've asked" summed up the relationship perfectly. Even in death The Doctor still flippantly picks on him.
Danny and The Doctor were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
[QUOTE=Grizz;46442996]The chap said it was pressure enough with Moffat helping him with two scripts..
What's Plan B?[/QUOTE]
Throw Doctor Who on hiatus/give them a lot more time. I'd rather they stick to the British way and make a short quality season rather than a season every year that's awful.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46442914]What was wrong with it?[/QUOTE]-There was a pretty big emphasis on the whole 'Clara is the Doctor' thing at the start and it went pretty much nowhere. Danny could have saved her in that opening scene and the result would have been the same.
-Seems real out of character for them to [I]drug[/I] the Doctor just to get him on a plane. They could have just asked and he'd probably have come.
-Seb's character was thrown away like it was nothing after being built up for an entire episode.
-Missy wasn't in it enough. Her two main scenes were the plane and the final scene and in the plane the last quarter of her dialogue was unaudible (for me, at least) due to the noises of the plane.
-The guards were dumb.
-Danny wasn't a character I cared about enjoy to be real sad about dying. The first time he took off his mask I was pretty shocked but I think I'd have felt the same if it was literally anyone's face in [I]that[/I] make-up.
-In likeness to that point, I couldn't care less about that boy Danny killed coming home.
-The final scene with the Doctor and Clara was dragged out and unnecessary because we [I]know[/I] Clara will be back at Christmas. I wish they'd have just shown the Doctor not finding Gallifrey and used the rest of the time to show Missy being crazy some more or something.
-The resolution to the story was basically Missy saying 'here you can either go on a crazy power trip and kill lots of people or you can save the day, it's up to you really'. Her plan was to [I]give up[/I].
These are just some of the things I personally disliked about the episode. That said I still liked it. It was good, just not great. I'd give it a 6/10 probably - maybe a 6.5/10. Some great scenes but ultimately lack-luster.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;46443024]I always liked Danny. [/QUOTE]
Can I just ask, what about Danny did you like? I didn't see any likable qualities about him.
[QUOTE=Freeze;46417167]fixed:
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I guess this wasn't wrong after all considering Missy was Mary Poppins in the scene where she arrived at the graveyard.
[QUOTE=poi;46443030]Throw Doctor Who on hiatus/give them a lot more time. I'd rather they stick to the British way and make a short quality season rather than a season every year that's awful.[/QUOTE]
The problem is you're in a very small minority. The series, the writers, the actors and the finale have gone down a storm.
Maybe it's just not for you. Instead of demanding everybody else miss out because you don't enjoy it?
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[QUOTE=poi;46443043]Can I just ask, what about Danny did you like? I didn't see any likable qualities about him.[/QUOTE]
He cared for Clara, he felt real, he put others before him, he wasn't a wet fish like previous recurring male characters and he had flaws.
Is Dan Starkey playing one of Santa's elves?
I loved the part where they showed the kid Danny killed in the screen of the iPad at the end of Dark Water, and then he is suddenly standing next to Danny in the latest one, no explanation needed amirite?
[editline]9th November 2014[/editline]
Oh and another bit I loved was where Danny was crying with his finger over Delete, so he would delete his emotions but then in the next episode he is fine and not crying.
[QUOTE=Xonax;46443056]I loved the part where they showed the kid Danny killed in the screen of the iPad at the end of Dark Water, and then he is suddenly standing next to Danny in the latest one, no explanation needed amirite?[/QUOTE]
Also the scene Clara was upstairs with the Cybermen and then downstairs coming out of the water tomb in the next scene.
I'm guessing a fair amount was cut to meet the time scale.
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