[QUOTE=LordCrypto;40702920]Actually, I take that back
I think if they had just not had the type it would have felt better.
I don't really like cliffhangers that say "LOOK AT ME I'M A CLIFFHANGER SEE THERE'S EVEN TITLES ON THE SCREEN THAT SAY I AM"[/QUOTE]
nice backpedal mate
Just watched the ending again.
My main problem with this reveal is we don't have a whole series of The Hurt Doctor. He seems pretty good.
I like Hurt as The Doctor, not sure how he'd fare through a whole series though
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;40702342]It concluded S7 in that it resolved the over-arching plot of that season (the mystery of Clara) and the over-arching plot of most of Matt Smith's tenure as The Doctor ([B]Silence Will Fall, fall of the eleventh, Trenzalore etc.[/B]). It's not unusual for a TV show to introduce the new plot element that will be the over-arching plot for the next series (or in this case, the 50th anniversary special) during the finale.[/QUOTE]
I'm stupid, can someone tell me how these were concluded? I just can't remember...
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;40703547]I'm stupid, can someone tell me how these were concluded? I just can't remember...[/QUOTE]
Fall of the Eleventh - The Doctor turning off the Anti-grav on the TARDIS and him falling to Trenzalore
Trenzalore - well, that's obvious
Silence will Fall when the question is asked - The Doctor was being wiped by time at Trenzalore, the Silence had no purpose anymore so they ceased to exist. They fell.
my brain hurts
what just happened
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;40703547]I'm stupid, can someone tell me how these were concluded? I just can't remember...[/QUOTE]
[b]Silence Will Fall[/b] - or 'Silence must fall' as if The Doctor's tomb is opened, the GI can use it to reverse The Doctor's victories which would result in countless destructions across the Universe. If you prefer to take it literally, The Silence failed in their mission as soon as The Doctor reached Trenzalore.
[b]Trenzalore[/b] - self explanatory
[b]Fall of the Eleventh[/b] - the Eleventh Doctor fell to Trenzalore in the TARDIS after she refused to land normally.
[b]No Living Creature May Speak Falsely[/b] - Bit of an amusing tease. In the end, somebody did speak The Doctor's name, but River was not a living creature.
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EG19 got in there first.
Honestly I have a weird feeling about this episode... Like, I am completely satisfied with it but I feel like it was a bad episode, like it didn't really accomplish much... Ugh I'm mixed about this.
[QUOTE]As a life long Who fan of 40 odd years I never even dreamed of seeing the First Doctor stealing the TARDIS. The opening scene of that story was just magic for me.[/QUOTE]
The types of posts that make it all worthwhile after a winter of discontent.
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;40703547]I'm stupid, can someone tell me how these were concluded? I just can't remember...[/QUOTE]
Trenzalore is easy enough
Silence falls across the universe when the doctors timeline is erased - star systems disappear, entire worlds go quiet. the silence organisation falls because it has failed in its mission - the entire purpose of the silence was to stop the doctor from reaching trenzalore so that it would not happen. The fall of the eleventh is not a literal fall in the tardis (though it could be interpreted that way) but his fall as everything he has ever done is reversed and erased.
The reason the Doctor was locked in the Pandorica in Season 5 is because the GI took control of it and blew it up. Other races thought the Doctor was responsible because it was his Tardis so they locked him up to make sure it never happened and we all know how that turned out.
Series 6 the Silence concocted a plan to kill the Doctor - to stop the GI from doing it throughout his entire timeline, they'd do it only once. That way, all the good the doctor did would remain but they'd be free of a person whose actions could condemn the entire universe to death
Series 7 - the GI comes into play
And endgame - everything is explained when he steps in there. Then Clara steps in and saves everyone. Done - new mystery opened with John Hurt
it's still very poorly explained and I get the feeling it's not what moffat was intending to do originally at all
it's unsatisfactory since it's basically looking at the wording of a vague prophecy and squinting your eyes just right to make the pieces fit
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh stop giving me so many feelings doctor who
it's just going to make it worse when clara has to leave ahhhhh
I just watched the last episode again, I don't quite understand what River was talking about when she said something along the lines of "I had a link with Clara, if she's dead why am I still here", is there something I'm missing?
Guys. That was great. dislike the fact that:
Moffat kind of extends his ego by making his character responsible for the ENTIRE storyline. Though it's clever, it's just so.. moffat.
His plots are always resolved before they're even in place, because it's the same plot over again. Series finales for 5 to 7 have been "The Doctor is dying because he's the most dangerous man in the universe; how do we save him?". Simple. Go back in time, you've already done it before because the story is obvservable already so it must have worked. Fundamental rule of the universe.
Lastly, I dislike that it's a bit soap-opera-y (to use the words Sylvester McCoy used a few months ago). Since Moffat took over the entire plot is about the Doctor and his moral dilemmas instead of being a sci-fi show about the Doctor kicking some ass with moral dilemmas on the side.
What I enjoyed:
WILLIAM HARTNELE RWKELRTG AFCALRA AFEALFKM GREAT INTELLGIENCE THE YETI OMFGGG
It all just WORKED. I don't mind because this explains (loosely) why the TARDIS blew up; it was the GI in all of his time streams I think?
And I can't believe that after FIFTY. YEARS. A fifty-five year old man loved his job and was so talented that his performance continues past his death; allowing other actors to take up, flesh out and imbue his work with their own. He created a culture, became a british icon, and it still being celebrated to this day. It was such an amazing tribute to him, and all the others. Definitely worth it as a fifitieth anniversary, and it worked. The Trenzalore plot was tied up, and it worked. It was all a very, very emotional episode to celebrate each man; the one man. And what with John Hurt being introduced so chillingly, his role in the time-war will (hopefully) only improve the mythos.
[QUOTE=Waerlock;40704617] I don't quite understand what River was talking about when she said something along the lines of "I had a link with Clara, if she's dead why am I still here", is there something I'm missing?[/QUOTE]
...she wasn't dead?
it's literally exactly what she was saying. if clara was dead, river would've faded away
[QUOTE=Dissolution;40704662]...she wasn't dead?
it's literally exactly what she was saying. if clara was dead, river would've faded away[/QUOTE]
Thought it might have been, don't quite know why I thought it would've been anything more, but hey ho, cheers anyway!
[QUOTE=Waerlock;40704617]I just watched the last episode again, I don't quite understand what River was talking about when she said something along the lines of "I had a link with Clara, if she's dead why am I still here", is there something I'm missing?[/QUOTE]
Clara hadn't died; in the timeline they were on the Doctor had already gone after Clara to save [I]her[/I]. Therefore, Clara wasn't dead and the trance call telepathic link to River was able to keep her there.
[editline]20th May 2013[/editline]
damn it
I don't know why, but i keep thinking that Rose (Bad Wolf) is behind the creation of Clara Oswald. When she absorbed the time vortex thingy she saw what would happend to The Doctor, therefor she decided to create Clara Oswald by making the leaf fall down and yada yada you know the rest.
There is a lot of panic over what Clara is responsible for. Even Neil Gaiman was drawn in to give his input in case The Doctor's Wife was retconned.
Clara wasn't always responsible for The Doctor saves. It was just fixing what the GI was breaking before everything was restored.
Though I'll accept a Dragonfire retcon for comedy value.
[QUOTE=LinkMandos;40704955]I don't know why, but i keep thinking that Rose (Bad Wolf) is behind the creation of Clara Oswald. When she absorbed the time vortex thingy she saw what would happend to The Doctor, therefor she decided to create Clara Oswald by making the leaf fall down and yada yada you know the rest.[/QUOTE]
Think of the Doctor like the human body; GI was a virus, Clara was the anti-bodies that went through the nervous system to purge and fix it.
[editline]20th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=LinkMandos;40704955]I don't know why, but i keep thinking that Rose (Bad Wolf) is behind the creation of Clara Oswald. When she absorbed the time vortex thingy she saw what would happend to The Doctor, therefor she decided to create Clara Oswald by making the leaf fall down and yada yada you know the rest.[/QUOTE]
You could say that Rose is also behind the creation of the Daleks, Davros, The Nightmare Child, The Timelords etc., because, since absorbing the time vortex, she saw everything that could, had, or would happen and changed everything accordingly. It's such a broad power given to her that anything could happen, so unless it's plot relevant it's best to just assume she didn't.
Hang on? Was it ever explained who the girl in the shop was who gave the number to Clara? Or why Clara can't type the number "23"?
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;40705657]Hang on? Was it ever explained who the girl in the shop was who gave the number to Clara?[/QUOTE]
Considering Billie's return, I'm guessing it'll be explained in the 50th.
I just realised when Clara says "I don't know where I am", Isn't that exactly what everyone says in "The Bells of St. John" ?
[QUOTE=Mr. Agree;40706074]I just realised when Clara says "I don't know where I am", Isn't that exactly what everyone says in "The Bells of St. John" ?[/QUOTE]
it was weirder because she said it exactly the same way.
not everyone said it the same, though, but st. john definitely happened first.
Doesn't she also say it in Asylum of the Daleks?
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;40705657]Hang on? Was it ever explained who the girl in the shop was who gave the number to Clara? Or why Clara can't type the number "23"?[/QUOTE]
Just another incomplete plot line from the great Moff.
Like who was the man in the jail cell at the start of The Name of the Doctor? It was just forgotten about, and never explained.
[QUOTE=Funsize;40706884]Just another incomplete plot line from the great Moff.
Like who was the man in the jail cell at the start of The Name of the Doctor? It was just forgotten about, and never explained.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Clarence_DeMarco[/url]
My guess is the Whisper Men spoke to him because they needed an indirect way to get the Doctor's friends together. Dunno why it had to be indirect but whatever it's just a guess
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;40705657]Hang on? Was it ever explained who the girl in the shop was who gave the number to Clara? Or why Clara can't type the number "23"?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=oskramorir;40701497]
[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70463266/1368979650566.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
no no no no FUCK YOU DOCTOR WHO
YOU CAN'T MAKE ME WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER
YOU CAN'T DO IT
[editline]19th May 2013[/editline]
also I'm assuming [sp]JohnHurt!Doctor is actually the ninth Doctor? I mean obviously Moffat could come up with anything, but it would make sense to place him between 8 and Eccleston since Eccleston went on about something he couldn't forgive himself for? it's been a long time since I watched the first series so I don't remember exactly what he said about it.[/sp]
[editline]19th May 2013[/editline]
also he's kind of wearing [sp]a cross between 8 and 9's outfits[/sp] now that I look closely.
Hold up...So the kids tricked the Doctor into playing blind mans bluff so they could go to the cinema?
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