I love people who claim that religion teaches intolerance and people are intolerant of each other because of religion, but then those same people are intolerant of religious people. Funny isn't it? :v:
[QUOTE=JerryK;21749940]I love people who claim that religion teaches intolerance and people are intolerant of each other because of religion, but then those same people are intolerant of religious people. Funny isn't it? :v:[/QUOTE]
Thats a pretty true contradiction you got there. Its funny to say the least.
[QUOTE=JerryK;21749940]I love people who claim that religion teaches intolerance and people are intolerant of each other because of religion, but then those same people are intolerant of religious people. Funny isn't it? :v:[/QUOTE]
It's called stupidity and hypocrisy. All the cool kids are doing it nowadays.
[QUOTE=sgman91;21749524]I would love to believe you, but your statements just aren't backed up by fact.
- A good 20-50% (based on location) of Muslims in the Middle East sometimes support terrorist attacks/suicide bombings.
No offense to you, but I think your doing more generalizations of your own faith based on your personal preference. When we look at the MAJORITY of Muslims worldwide your position crumbles. How can you proclaim to know about Islam when you don't even follow one of the main pillars?[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=active&ei=GArhS4jXDc7-sQafzLQU&sa=X&oi=spellfullpage&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=2&ved=0CDUQvwUoAQ&q=Islam+condemns+terror&spell=1[/URL]
[URL="http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php"]www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php[/URL]
[URL="http://www.daar-ul-ehsaan.org/terrorism.htm"]www.daar-ul-ehsaan.org/terrorism.htm[/URL]
groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm
[URL="http://www.harunyahya.com/terrorism1.php"]www.harunyahya.com/terrorism1.php[/URL]
[URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8544531.stm[/URL]
[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/03/03/fatwa.against.terror/index.html[/URL]
etc.
Sorry, but your claims aren't backed by anything.
[QUOTE=starpluck;21750020]
[url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...terror&spell=1[/url]
[url]www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php[/url]
[url]www.daar-ul-ehsaan.org/terrorism.htm[/url]
groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm
[url]www.harunyahya.com/terrorism1.php[/url]
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8544531.stm[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe...ror/index.html[/url]
etc.
Sorry, but your claims aren't backed by anything. [/QUOTE]
Thanks for providing these sites for everybody that think
Muslim /\ Terrorist
I agree with you, PjaNoo. I believe alot people do have a misbelief of the Islamic faith. Not all Muslims are terrorists, and most of them are good people. What I find sad is how your religion is being hijacked by the extremists who do prevert some of the teachings. There needs to be more people like you.
Can you requote me?
Some of my links were messed up
[QUOTE=starpluck;21750103]Can you requote me?
Some of my links were messed up[/QUOTE]
Fixed, and thank you general, I appreciate it :)
You can say that they're not Muslim as much as you want, they still justify their wrongdoings with their faith.
[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;21750207]You can say that they're not Muslim as much as you want, they still justify their wrongdoings with their faith.[/QUOTE]
What? That's like saying you're a serial killer because of natural selection. So science is to blame for a serial killer's actions?
What I'm saying is that it provides just as much validity for a Muslim extremist to say the OP is not a Muslim because the OP isn't extreme in his beliefs as it is for the OP to say that Muslim extremists aren't true to their faith.
Essentially it is all up to interpretation and extremists still justify their acts on the same faith whether anyone agrees or not.
[QUOTE=PjaNoo^;21750068]Thanks for providing these sites for everybody that think
Muslim /\ Terrorist[/QUOTE]
My favorite terrorists are the PIRA, and they're Catholics.
Muslim terrorists are simply copying the masters.
I learned something today.
[QUOTE=Super_Poo;21747214]What's so bad about that? Why all the hate for 'em then. Short of those silly people who blow things up.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, there is no reason to hate them. In fact, the Islamic Religion is one of the most peaceful religions in the world. It's that the mainstream media just reports on the extremists who do stupid shit. Regular Muslims are nice,I see no reason to hate them.
Islam sucks. But you know so does Christianity, Hinduism, Sikism, Scientology. They're all fucked up in their own special way.
I'm an equal opportunities bigot.
For seriously, for every specificly harsh verse that someone can pull out of islamic holy books, you can find an equally brutal and intolerant in the bible etc etc... I'd hazard that the only reason there aren't hair trigger militias in America with bible strapped to their legs is that it's so much easier to blog their extremism and dude... the pizza will be here in 20 minutes can we fight the heathens after we've eaten?
Oh lawd, this thread was just below the "my hot wetdream" thread, so i somehow accidentally read them together "my hot wetdream about muslims"
[QUOTE=PjaNoo^;21738613]Hello I'm a muslim.
I wrote this big ass post about how lionhatkid (Creator of ; I'm starting to dislike muslims, can you blame me?) is wrong about everything and is generally brainwashed, but the thread got closed before I got a chance to defend my religion which is the most critized and missunderstood. I'm not 100% religious, meaning I don't pray 5 times a day, but I do fast and stuff like that.
Let me clear out some missbelieved facts about muslims
1. Muslim extremists are not actually muslims, I know what a paradox but the fact of the matter is that these people immediately leave the religion when they harm another person, it is haram and therefore against our religion to harm other humans or even animals.
2. A muslim man is required to make his own bread, and his wife's and his childrens, living off welfare is not the ideal way to live for anyone, and you can't generally say that all muslims live off welfare when there are a few doing it, I myself plan to become an engineer when I grow up (See the difference).
3. Muslim men hit their wives, this is so wrong that it makes me sad that people even would think these things about us, the man who hits his wife is not a muslim period.
4. Muslims kill people who talk about their prophet. True there are some people that do this, but I personally think its wrong, afterall there is something called the freedom of speech and it should be used that is why it is there, but there are som hot heads that wanna go on a crusade as soon as you speak about Muhammad thats just how it is, you can't say at all that there isn't people like this in all other religions, besides if you speak bad about Muhammad, I require that you also speak bad about Moses and Jesus, they're also our prophets, and are as much of prophets as muhammad is, its only that muhammad was the last one.
Now sorry for the wall of text, and I'm sorry if I annoy you with this thread, even annoyed myself. Not so much of a speaking person really on forums, I'm more of a lurker. But this is basic information you need to know about muslims, and I truly truly hope that this reaches out to someone.
Farewell
EDIT : I just remembered that many people think that we are out to kill jews and christians, and hate their religion therefore ;
6. This is widely believed, but the thing is, in the Qur'an it clearly states (ask any muslim) that even though christians and jews are from another religion, you should treat them as if they were muslims, and if you wish you may enter the religious headquarters of your friends religion which isn't islam, in education purposes and as company. (Synagogues, Churches, Insert other religion temple here)[/QUOTE]
1. Muslims harm animals all the time. Id-ul-Adha you sacrifice animals
2. Agree
3. Dicipline of your wife is written in the Quran and generally Sharia Law and those who enforce it are extremely sexist.
4. I cant say anything about this as youve not actually addressed the issue with your explanation
5 (6)?. Mistrust between Jews and Muslims is embedded into the very religions themselves with the story of Ishmael and Isaac
[QUOTE=Greaterbeing~;21752139]1. Muslims harm animals all the time. Id-ul-Adha you sacrifice animals
2. Agree
3. Dicipline of your wife is written in the Quran and generally Sharia Law and those who enforce it are extremely sexist.
4. I cant say anything about this as youve not actually addressed the issue with your explanation
5 (6)?. Mistrust between Jews and Muslims is embedded into the very religions themselves with the story of Ishmael and Isaac[/QUOTE]
1. You eat animals everyday. Muslims sacrifice them for what they believe to be the great good. (The animals will lead a great afterlife etc.)
3. Great respect is also needed for your wife. It is looked down upon to abuse your wife. Even "disciplining" your wife is still considered harsh. Discipline of your wife is like a father disciplines a kid. Just talk to her about what wrong she's done. (AKA having sex with another man etc.) When muslims do "discipline" their wives, their wife must have done something as bad as what I mentioned above.
6. Now, I'm not going to lie to you, what you're saying is sort of true. Yet, this only addresses a time of war. (AKA if the Muslims and Jews are at war etc they can not be friends) Although, if Jews and Christians do not attack Muslims because of their religion. They're allowed to be friends. Hell, the Qur'an even states that some Christians and Jews are going to heaven and are better in Allah(God)'s eyes than some Muslims.
[QUOTE=PjaNoo^;21738613]1. Muslim extremists are not actually muslims
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People should really take note of this. It's true of many religions, including Christianity.
I've actually read parts of the (translated into English) Q'uran, and I was surprised by how much of it spoke about being peaceful and not hurting disbelievers.
EDIT: Wait, is it Qur'an, or Q'uran? I'm confused :confused:
[QUOTE=SecretGamer360;21752224]1. You eat animals everyday. Muslims sacrifice them for what they believe to be the great good. (The animals will lead a great afterlife etc.)
3. Great respect is also needed for your wife. It is looked down upon to abuse your wife. Even "disciplining" your wife is still considered harsh. Discipline of your wife is like a father disciplines a kid. Just talk to her about what wrong she's done. (AKA having sex with another man etc.) When muslims do "discipline" their wives, their wife must have done something as bad as what I mentioned above.
6. Now, I'm not going to lie to you, what you're saying is sort of true. Yet, this only addresses a time of war. (AKA if the Muslims and Jews are at war etc they can not be friends) Although, if Jews and Christians do not attack Muslims because of their religion. They're allowed to be friends. Hell, the Qur'an even states that some Christians and Jews are going to heaven and are better in Allah(God)'s eyes than some Muslims.[/QUOTE]
1. i never said i didnt. i just meant that what hes saying isnt true.
3. a dowry still objectifies a woman. one of the main problems with Islam is the additional texts that are involved in the religion that many countries also consider the word of god. Sharia law is despicable.
6. no it is addressed at all times. The seeds of mistrust are sewn in both the Torah and the Quran and nothing will ever change that.
I just realized that in the other thread (which if I'm not mistaken was posted by bape? I may be wrong) which had an anti-Islam OP, people were saying that Islam taught intolerance and that those posts were rated agree.
I'm not usually one to pay much attention to ratings, but it just goes to show that many people casually accept things like "Islam teaches intolerance" or "Islam teaches that men can abuse women" as fact, without actually questioning them.
I guess that's the result of us living in predominantly Christian nations- and I wouldn't be surprised if Muslims in the middle east or Hindus in India held similar misconceptions about Christianity or Judaism.
If only more people understood.
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;21752272]
EDIT: Wait, is it Qur'an, or Q'uran? I'm confused :confused:[/QUOTE]
Qur'an. Although some people write it without the accent.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;21738771]Then why does it state in your holy book that you should kill those who disagree with your religion?[/QUOTE]
See, this is my point. The Qur'an(Q'uran?) states [b]repeatedly[/b] that it is God's job to punish the disbelievers, and that to harm those of other faiths is to take justice into your own hands. For all you know, you might be killing people who would one day have converted to Islam. That's exactly why the Qur'an disapproves of all violence, but with the theocratic institutions that have existed for so long in the Middle East, the original teachings have been distorted and warped. It really makes one sad.
Sharia law is the perfect example- you're really not submitting to the will of Allah if you're a muslim in a country governed by Sharia law- you're just submitting to the will of the government, and that's not what it's all about.
We need to tell FOX news about this thread.
[QUOTE=Greaterbeing~;21752139]1. Muslims harm animals all the time. Id-ul-Adha you sacrifice animals[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544988[/URL]
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3. Dicipline of your wife is written in the Quran and generally Sharia Law and those who enforce it are extremely sexist.[/quote] According to the Qur'an itself; only at the last resort once you have no more options left, you are allowed to hit your wife with something as big as a natural (manual) toothbrush, and cannot leave any marks.
May be OT but out of curiosity: In Islam is it believed that Allah decides everything, like fate and destiny, which means Allah decides people's actions and the future has been decided by Allah as well?
My friend told me this and I'm rather skeptical since I think all monotheistic religions don't agree with fate or destiny or whatever.
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;21752323]I just realized that in the other thread (which if I'm not mistaken was posted by bape? I may be wrong) which had an anti-Islam OP, people were saying that Islam taught intolerance and that those posts were rated agree.
I'm not usually one to pay much attention to ratings, but it just goes to show that many people casually accept things like "Islam teaches intolerance" or "Islam teaches that men can abuse women" as fact, without actually questioning them.
I guess that's the result of us living in predominantly Christian nations- and I wouldn't be surprised if Muslims in the middle east or Hindus in India held similar misconceptions about Christianity or Judaism.
If only more people understood.[/QUOTE]
Probably true.
As far as I know Islam and remember it from lessons in school about the world religions, the Qu'ran(god dammit it's written Koran in German) tells rules and directions just as precise as the bible and the tora.
They use stories and parables and thus are open for interpretation.
A different part of the religion is when certain historical "people" are said to have know what the prophet knew and said and that's just wrong.
I despise all muslims I know IRL. That might be because they threaten anyone that are in their surroundings and act like they own the place.
Might be that I haven't meet a normal muslim yet.
It's not really the religion I have anything against, it's just people from countries where Islam is big I guess.
But then again, I have only meet a handfull.
[QUOTE=Greaterbeing~;21752139]1. Muslims harm animals all the time. Id-ul-Adha you sacrifice animals
2. Agree
3. Dicipline of your wife is written in the Quran and generally Sharia Law and those who enforce it are extremely sexist.
4. I cant say anything about this as youve not actually addressed the issue with your explanation
5 (6)?. Mistrust between Jews and Muslims is embedded into the very religions themselves with the story of Ishmael and Isaac[/QUOTE]
Yeah but it is not considered hurting them as when we slaughter them (halal slaughter) We cut off the pain receptor to the brain first, so when they die they feel no pain.
It is written but I don't see how you can consider a swipe with a siwak beating.
I adressed the issue that all the muslims are terrorists.
"What I'm saying is that it provides just as much validity for a Muslim extremist to say the OP is not a Muslim because the OP isn't extreme in his beliefs as it is for the OP to say that Muslim extremists aren't true to their faith.
Essentially it is all up to interpretation and extremists still justify their acts on the same faith whether anyone agrees or not."
The case of the matter is we know who the missinterpreters are, its not a mystery, its not a 50/50% we know this. Bin Laden can't come up to me and tell me I'm not a real muslim, he has broken every rule there is in the qur'an. He would be laughed at if he said the qur'an says to kill infidels, and gays and whatever. Do you think we live in the stone age?
Now I'm right in my belief and the extremists are wrong thats the case period.
Should Ishmael and Isaacs rivalry interrupt two religions? If so then I bet muhammad would be speaking bad of moses and saying he is the leader of the wrong religion.
Allah knows what will happen but you make your own decisions and those are what affects you, you can't say like oh I've gone broke, ITS ALL GODS FAULT!
"You can say that they're not Muslim as much as you want, they still justify their wrongdoings with their faith." It is not their faith if they break the rules, you're not in lets say Alcoholics Anynomous if you're kicked out then say oh I'm drinking because of Alcoholics Anynomous, its very stupid to say that. They don't justify a thing, and if you're gonna hold ME responsible for the terrorists actions and my mom and my dad and my siblings. Then I bid you adieu from this thread because you're so stubborn I can't even believe it.
[QUOTE=Greaterbeing~;21752139]1. Muslims harm animals all the time. Id-ul-Adha you sacrifice animals
2. Agree
3. Dicipline of your wife is written in the Quran and generally Sharia Law and those who enforce it are extremely sexist.
4. I cant say anything about this as youve not actually addressed the issue with your explanation
5 (6)?. Mistrust between Jews and Muslims is embedded into the very religions themselves with the story of Ishmael and Isaac[/QUOTE]
1. Killing animals for food is a different case, and when you are killing the animal for food, you must do it in a way so that the animal does not suffer for long (cutting the throat).
3.not really, as far as I know, you can only hit some one if he or she has done something terrible, such as having sex with someone else.
4. Yes he did, it's about people getting killed/hurt/threatened because they say bad things about islam/quran/prophets, and that he does not agree with it.
5. your point?
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