[QUOTE=RagamuffinIIII;37059605]I can totally see where you are coming from but you are dealing with it in a terrible way and you are just encouraging people by this point.[/QUOTE]
I understand that I may have opened up in an immature and rash manner, but I don't know, I just really don't like seeing people get bullied, and even when its all said and done, still go "well she deserved it lol owned".
[QUOTE=Clementine;37059567]Its not even the words, its the times that she was reminded of. Its the fear and insecurity brought on by being abused by a boyfriend, someone she loved and trusted. Its not the words, its the things behind them, its the fact that she is being insulted by people she doesn't know that makes her feel awful, knowing that she cannot escape from the pain brought upon her by real life even on the internet, somewhere where she would expect to find somewhere where she can be safe from the dangers of the real world. But no, some asshole had to make fun of her, and she got offended, she defended herself and gave an excuse as to why, which had to do with violent domestic abuse, but the troll didn't stop, he kept going, he kept pushing even after she had said she had her arm broken by her boyfriend, and that isn't right. She should toughen up, but why should she toughen up, why is SHE the one doing things wrong? Why doesn't the troll just shut the fuck up and not be a complete cunt? I don't see why she's the one who caused this, when its pretty obvious who the aggressor was.
[editline]2nd August 2012[/editline]
I just hated seeing someone so upset, its not about her, its just seeing someone so low and so upset that I don't like. I especially don't like that people here are okay with it, and even laughing at it. It doesn't sit right with me.[/QUOTE]
It is mostly how she reacted. She stayed there to continue soaking up the abuse when there were plenty of other routes she could have gone that wouldn't have ended up with her having an overdramatic emotional breakdown on the internet, which surely did not help with her "defense" against trolls. And besides, if she felt so self-conscious about herself, she probably shouldn't be participating in a site like that. She took the risk of being hurt for easy cash, and she lost the gamble it seems. You cannot stop "trolls" but you can not give them anything to harm you with.
[QUOTE=Clementine;37059567]Its not even the words, its the times that she was reminded of. Its the fear and insecurity brought on by being abused by a boyfriend, someone she loved and trusted. Its not the words, its the things behind them, its the fact that she is being insulted by people she doesn't know that makes her feel awful, knowing that she cannot escape from the pain brought upon her by real life even on the internet, somewhere where she would expect to find somewhere where she can be safe from the dangers of the real world.[b] But no, some asshole had to make fun of her, and she got offended, she defended herself and gave an excuse as to why, which had to do with violent domestic abuse, but the troll didn't stop, he kept going, he kept pushing even after she had said she had her arm broken by her boyfriend, and that isn't right. She should toughen up, but why should she toughen up, why is SHE the one doing things wrong? Why doesn't the troll just shut the fuck up and not be a complete cunt?[/b] I don't see why she's the one who caused this, when its pretty obvious who the aggressor was.
[editline]2nd August 2012[/editline]
I just hated seeing someone so upset, its not about her, its just seeing someone so low and so upset that I don't like. I especially don't like that people here are okay with it, and even laughing at it. It doesn't sit right with me.[/QUOTE]
Because that is what trolls are, COMPLETE CUNTS, there are people like that and that will never change, She had control in the situation but chose to argue with the trolls, She didn't deserve it but she set herself up for emotional breakdown.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;37059680]It is mostly how she reacted. She stayed there to continue soaking up the abuse when there were plenty of other routes she could have gone that wouldn't have ended up with her having an overdramatic emotional breakdown on the internet, which surely did not help with her "defense" against trolls. And besides, if she felt so self-conscious about herself, she probably shouldn't be participating in a site like that. She took the risk of being hurt for easy cash, and she lost the gamble it seems. You cannot stop "trolls" but you can not give them anything to harm you with.[/QUOTE]
Yes yes, but she didn't because she is dumb or something, or maybe she was just too upset to think straight. Either way I don't think that makes what happened to her okay in the least bit. But whatever, what's done is done, and even though people like to dehumanize camwhores/prostitutes, they're still people, and don't deserve to be bullied just as much as you or me.
Love that I was just called a "cam whore defender team leader" on my profile, I didn't know that being a prostitute meant that you stopped being a person, therefore making making fun of them fair game.
[editline]2nd August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=OhHello;37059723]Because that is what trolls are, COMPLETE CUNTS, there are people like that and that will never change, She had control in the situation but chose to argue with the trolls, She didn't deserve it but she set herself up for emotional breakdown.[/QUOTE]
But does that make it funny? Is it even funny to laugh at shit like this, someone having an emotional breakdown as a result of being bullied? How can some people find this shit funny, I don't understand.
I somewhat agree with you on this, but if she didn't want to be offended by people on the internet looking at her body she could always, ya'know, [I]not show her body.
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I know it's not as easy as that, and I'll never understand that horrible feeling, but I can't help but wonder why she did it.
Is $150 really worth sacrificing your own dignity?
Oh god man just please stop replying and close the thread.
Hopefully after the video, she will stop whoring herself out.
[QUOTE=Clementine;37059746]Yes yes, but she didn't because she is dumb or something, or maybe she was just too upset to think straight. Either way I don't think that makes what happened to her okay in the least bit. But whatever, what's done is done, and even though people like to dehumanize camwhores/prostitutes, they're still people, and don't deserve to be bullied just as much as you or me.
Love that I was just called a "cam whore defender team leader" on my profile, I didn't know that being a prostitute meant that you stopped being a person, therefore making making fun of them fair game.
[editline]2nd August 2012[/editline]
But does that make it funny? Is it even funny to laugh at shit like this, someone having an emotional breakdown as a result of being bullied? How can some people find this shit funny, I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of whether you understand or not, some people actually find it funny. If you don't, just don't post and/or watch it. Simple. The people who do find it funny will laugh, and those who don't go on with life. Laughing at it doesn't make it okay, but it doesn't change the fact that it happened, and we can't control what we find humorous. Stop making a big deal out of something that was totally in this woman's control until she let go of all reasoning and let the trolls win when she had so many other options instead.
[editline]2nd August 2012[/editline]
If someone is willing to show themselves naked to strangers, they've gotta be emotionally prepared for the shit that follows.
[QUOTE=Clementine;37059746]Yes yes, but she didn't because she is dumb or something, or maybe she was just too upset to think straight. Either way I don't think that makes what happened to her okay in the least bit. But whatever, what's done is done, and even though people like to dehumanize camwhores/prostitutes, they're still people, and don't deserve to be bullied just as much as you or me.
Love that I was just called a "cam whore defender team leader" on my profile, I didn't know that being a prostitute meant that you stopped being a person, therefore making making fun of them fair game.
[editline]2nd August 2012[/editline]
But does that make it funny? Is it even funny to laugh at shit like this, someone having an emotional breakdown as a result of being bullied? How can some people find this shit funny, I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
She wasn't being bullied, she had full control over the stream, at any time she could have just unplugged her webcam or turned off the stream but she allowed herself to get up to the point of breakdown, I feel sorry for her situation but I won't defend her because it was preventable.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;37059680]It is mostly how she reacted. She stayed there to continue soaking up the abuse when there were plenty of other routes she could have gone that wouldn't have ended up with her having an overdramatic emotional breakdown on the internet, which surely did not help with her "defense" against trolls. And besides, if she felt so self-conscious about herself, she probably shouldn't be participating in a site like that. She took the risk of being hurt for easy cash, and she lost the gamble it seems. You cannot stop "trolls" but you can not give them anything to harm you with.[/QUOTE]
The video has her saying something about trying to block the abuser, to no avail. Presumably she is no stranger to these kinds of hurtful comments due to the nature of the site. That doesn't mean she deserves any of it.
I'd wager a guess that she's received abuse like this before, and this particular incident probably put her over the edge. You can tell she's breaking down from the emotional stress.
When you say something like "if she felt so self-conscious about herself, she probably shouldn't be participating in a site like this", you need to understand that you're making an assumption. Ever consider the possibility that she's doing this to feel better about herself? Horny guys don't tend to be picky, and will react positively to the craziest shit. Maybe she needs the money? I don't know. You don't know. I'd rather err on the side of caution if you ask me.
I personally don't understand how this video was funny in any way. That was very uncomfortable to watch. It seems like so many people are almost defending the actions of the trolls. Why is this the case?
"I've been trying so hard to lose weight to be the person that I was......CHA CHING"
I lost it right there.
Oh my god, it even has the perfect soundtrack for this hahahaha
[I]Big girls don't cry...[/I] [B]BWAHAHAHA YOU ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE[/B] [I]Don't cry.. Don't Cry..[/I]
[QUOTE=Zedramus;37059938]The video has her saying something about trying to block the abuser, to no avail. Presumably she is no stranger to these kinds of hurtful comments due to the nature of the site. That doesn't mean she deserves any of it.
I'd wager a guess that she's received abuse like this before, and this particular incident probably put her over the edge. You can tell she's breaking down from the emotional stress.
When you say something like "if she felt so self-conscious about herself, she probably shouldn't be participating in a site like this", you need to understand that you're making an assumption. Ever consider the possibility that she's doing this to feel better about herself? Horny guys don't tend to be picky, and will react positively to the craziest shit. Maybe she needs the money? I don't know. You don't know. I'd rather err on the side of caution if you ask me.
I personally don't understand how this video was funny in any way. That was very uncomfortable to watch. It seems like so many people are almost defending the actions of the trolls. Why is this the case?[/QUOTE]
No one here is defending them. Not a single person. Like I said, you personally may not find it funny, but other people do. Sitting here asking us how we find it funny, or how we can live with ourselves for finding it funny isn't going to fix the problem or stop it from happening. It's not going to stop us from finding it funny either. Humour is subjective, and you can't change that. So if you don't find it funny, move on, because arguing over what is and isn't hilarious is just going to be a long and drawn out argument that leads to nothing.
Like I said, if she's done this before, and she knows the insults occur, why does she continue to do it? Why does she do it if she knows it leads to bad situations? If she hasn't done it before, and this was her first time, then she should have been ready for the reactions that would have happened when you show your body to strangers over the internet. No one here is 100% free of blame, because this whole issue could have been avoided. The one thing that can't be avoided, is the way anonymous people act on the internet, so you prepare for it. If this is how worked up she gets when strangers call her fat, she doesn't have the emotional stability to go into prostitution/cam whoring/ or whatever, either for money or better self image.
[QUOTE=Clementine;37059101]No, I literally think people who find this funny don't realize what they're doing, they think its funny to bully some woman about her weight, something so many people are self conscious about, they think its funny to watch her be so fucking upset that she is incoherent and screaming and crying.
Fucking disgusting pathetic bullies.[/QUOTE]
I have seen you do nothing but complain and shit post in almost every thread you post in. Why are you on facepunch?
Video was funny to some, not to others.
Having some argument won't change anyone's mind about it, but you guys insist on it.
[QUOTE=Clementine;37059590]This is the kind of response I get when I start to actually argue intelligently.[/QUOTE]
So you admit you were arguing like a total retard before then?
[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;37060047]I have seen you do nothing but complain and shit post in almost every thread you post in. Why are you on facepunch?[/QUOTE]
Seems like I fit in quite well considering there are people like you on here
[editline]2nd August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=mak13two;37060132]So you admit you were arguing like a total retard before then?[/QUOTE]
Less coherently, I mean I got my point across but apparently it wasn't good enough for people, so I calmed down and actually started to formulate my arguments.
Clem you drive a good point, but in this case it's not any better than getting upset over someone insulting you on Facepunch. You shouldn't get upset, especially when it's through mere text. She got called fat yet god knows how many people have their dicks out to her, and if she had a brain she'd realize that.
[QUOTE=Clementine;37060154]Seems like I fit in quite well considering there are people like you on here
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That attitude really isn't needed. State your points then stop.
these videos are funny for a minute or two then its kinda depressing when you think about what her life's actually like
Shoulda put that shoe on her head.
[QUOTE=Clementine;37059101]No, I literally think people who find this funny don't realize what they're doing, they think its funny to bully some woman about her weight, something so many people are self conscious about, they think its funny to watch her be so fucking upset that she is incoherent and screaming and crying.
Fucking disgusting pathetic bullies.[/QUOTE]
rofl WHTEVER FAGGOT xD WOW AHAHA [sub]imhorrible[/sub]
I don't deny she probably had some crap issues in her life, but the moment you let random strangers on the internet dictate your emotions, that's the moment you could have prevented. We don't know what her life has been until now, but I highly doubt it's awful enough that she could not have just thought out "let me ignore the jerks" or "maybe I should unplug my webcam because I'm not emotionally ready to be naked in front of strangers." She's a victim, yes, but a victim of her own naivety, and us laughing at it won't change anything, so let people who find it funny laugh.
Again, if you're willing to literally whore your body out to strangers for money on the internet, you've got to be mentally mature enough to handle it. She wasn't, and this happened.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;37060030]No one here is defending them. Not a single person. Like I said, you personally may not find it funny, but other people do. Sitting here asking us how we find it funny, or how we can live with ourselves for finding it funny isn't going to fix the problem or stop it from happening. It's not going to stop us from finding it funny either. Humour is subjective, and you can't change that. So if you don't find it funny, move on, because arguing over what is and isn't hilarious is just going to be a long and drawn out argument that leads to nothing.
Like I said, if she's done this before, and she knows the insults occur, why does she continue to do it? Why does she do it if she knows it leads to bad situations? If she hasn't done it before, and this was her first time, then she should have been ready for the reactions that would have happened when you show your body to strangers over the internet. No one here is 100% free of blame, because this whole issue could have been avoided. The one thing that can't be avoided, is the way anonymous people act on the internet, so you prepare for it. If this is how worked up she gets when strangers call her fat, she doesn't have the emotional stability to go into prostitution/cam whoring/ or whatever, either for money or better self image.[/QUOTE]
I know you're probably not singling me out, because I've made only one post in this thread with the sole purpose of trying to get others to see this from a different perspective.
Although what Clementine said on the first page wasn't exactly tactful, he has a point. It's possible that some people who find this funny don't exactly realize that they're encouraging the abuse of someone else. I never questioned how you can live with yourself for finding it funny, and if my wording made it seem that way I apologize.
I did not say people were straight up defending her, nor did I mean that. When I say "almost defending", I mean things like
[QUOTE]a cam whore calling the viewers horrible people LOL [/QUOTE]
as if there was some sort irony I'm missing, or
[QUOTE]She's be a self loathing double standard bitch.[/QUOTE]
like the poster KNOWS she hurls emotional abuse at others, and yet expects none to come her way.
Yeah, I could have chosen a better way to phrase it, I know. And arguing about humour is useless, that much is obvious. What I was trying to bring up was why people here are being terrible when they have no need or reason to be.
It's not like she can see our posts, so who is it hurting to be "terrible people"? No one has downright insulted her, just stated that she is majorly to blame for the situation. It's a victimless crime and honestly, you're arguing morals.
People are jerks. There are a lot of people who are even bigger jerks when they're on the internet. You can't change that.
[QUOTE=Zedramus;37060364]
Although what Clementine said on the first page wasn't exactly tactful, he has a point. It's possible that some people who find this funny don't exactly realize that they're encouraging the abuse of someone else. I never questioned how you can live with yourself for finding it funny, and if my wording made it seem that way I apologize.
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Here's a good analogy for those people saying she deserved it. She's in a room with poison gas, and the gas is the insults. Her first breath of the gas is painful, and yet she stays there trying to breathe it.
I don't think "deserved it" would be the proper choice of words, but "had it coming" would seem right.
i love the one comment
"mmmm keep talking dirty"
as shes crying about how her life is ruined because of her boyfriend
I don't understand how people can feel bad for stupid people. No one forced her to sit in front of camera and strip her dignity away for money. I'm not going to show any respect to someone that can't even show respect for themselves. I will laugh, I will laugh at her stupidity to get upset at such a trivial thing and put herself in such a situation. A situation that I would never be stupid enough to put myself in.
What actually got her so pissed off? Apart from one "you cunt" at the beginning it seemed fairly neutral.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;37060443]Here's a good analogy for those people saying she deserved it. She's in a room with poison gas, and the gas is the insults. Her first breath of the gas is painful, and yet she stays there trying to breathe it.
I don't think "deserved it" would be the proper choice of words, but "had it coming" would seem right.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your analogy. As I mentioned earlier, we know nothing of her situation. What if she needed the money, and didn't see any other option? What if she has been insulted before, but managed to take it lightly enough and the stint pays pretty well, except this time she had a terrible day and had a fight with her roommate about bills or something? I mean she did end up composing herself relatively well near the end. To refer to your analogy, the poison gas may just be mildly toxic, just on that night someone took a shit in the ventilation system.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;37060404]It's not like she can see our posts, so who is it hurting to be "terrible people"? No one has downright insulted her, just stated that she is majorly to blame for the situation. It's a victimless crime and honestly, you're arguing morals.
People are jerks. There are a lot of people who are even bigger jerks when they're on the internet. You can't change that. [/QUOTE]
True, it may not be hurting anyone, but I still wonder why for some people here the immediate reaction was not to try empathize with the victim.
People may be jerks, but as to changing that, I'm not so apathetic. We can at least bring reprehensible behavior into the light, to hopefully encourage other people not to be the same.
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