• New JonTron Intro (2017)
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[QUOTE=J!NX;52480222]The deeper political commentary behind this I feel is a bit over-critical. In fact I'd say alarmist.[/QUOTE] as in, people aren't allowed to have different opinions or they'll mysteriously disappear?
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52481498]The damage control that really only made things look worse. He denied systemic racism, he preached white genocide and tried to paint black people as inherently criminal with fake statistics and then made a video claiming he was "taken out of context." Does Jon not care about his this could effect his career? His legacy? Is protecting his ego the only thing he cares about? The guy could take a huge step in restoring his image but he just wont :why:[/QUOTE] I think the fact he decided to substract himself entirely from the conversation instead of dig himself a deeper grave is good enough damage control. He's not known for political debate and his attempt at indulging in that minefield ended predictably with him tripping over pretty much every possible thing. I don't care much for what he had to say because he's not and never will be a political debater.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52481511]Lying about fucking up and passing the blame is the worst possible damage.[/QUOTE] Did we see the same video? When did he do either of these things?
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52481511]Lying about fucking up and passing the blame is the worst possible damage control. He could have just apolgized and admitted he didn't know what he was talking about. Honest, to the point.[/QUOTE] For some people that's a lot harder than for others.
[QUOTE=Bernie Buddy;52481524]Did we see the same video? When did he do either of these things?[/QUOTE] Instead of owning up to the fact he said some really disagreeable shit, he pretty much said it was all down to poor argumentation, which is just not true [QUOTE=Ganerumo;52481502]I think the fact he decided to substract himself entirely from the conversation instead of dig himself a deeper grave is good enough damage control. He's not known for political debate and his attempt at indulging in that minefield ended predictably with him tripping over pretty much every possible thing. I don't care much for what he had to say because he's not and never will be a political debater.[/QUOTE] What? He didn't "subtract himself entirely", he did quite the opposite. Avoided all of the contentious statements, sure, but he doubled down on the "white people are under attack" rhetoric, and pretty heavily too.
I only remember him making that one video and removing himself from the conversation. That's all he really needed to do. People cared way too much back when it happened.
I think people cared the right amount. Some fans gave too much of a pass to some of the outright disgusting shit he said, but overall, the reaction was fair.
I especially loved how everyone said the other side is factually wrong and pointing to the same statistics they interpreted differently well, or just interpreted whatever statistic in whatever way suited them. but then again that's online politics isn't it
[QUOTE=SirJon;52481710]I especially loved how everyone said the other side is factually wrong and pointing to the same statistics they interpreted differently well, or just interpreted whatever statistic in whatever way suited them. but then again that's online politics isn't it[/QUOTE] I especially love the part where you make a post that serves no purpose other than to attack some vaguely defined side of some vaguely defined argument, all the while not actually getting into said argument, or doing anything at all that would require you to support it with something of substance ...and then use this to complain about the nature of internet arguments
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52481763]I especially love the part where you make a post that serves no purpose other than to attack some vaguely defined side of some vaguely defined argument, all the while not actually getting into said argument, or doing anything at all that would require you to support it with something of substance ...and then use this to complain about the nature of internet arguments[/QUOTE] and then you complain about me complaining with just the same amount of substance such is the circle of life [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Why reply?" - Bradyns))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=SirJon;52481768]and then you complain about me complaining such is the circle of life[/QUOTE] it's just a sassy way of asking for elaboration is it going to work now that i've spelled it out?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52481773]it's just a sassy way of asking for elaboration is it going to work now that i've spelled it out?[/QUOTE] I'm just pointing out that the whole debacle was ridiculous and a waste of every bodies time. And that it's frustrating to see each side entrenchenched in their opinion, believing beyond any possible doubt they they are right, and not trying to consider the other sides arguments, while simultaneously accusing each other of being closed minded or naive or however you want to put it. Hopefully someone becomes self aware if they're doing that if I complain about it enough
[QUOTE=SirJon;52481710]I especially loved how everyone said the other side is factually wrong and pointing to the same statistics they interpreted differently well, or just interpreted whatever statistic in whatever way suited them. but then again that's online politics isn't it[/QUOTE] At least you've found a way to elevate yourself above everyone else :~~) Jon was objectively wrong throughout that debate, it's not a matter of interpreting statistics wrongly, he was just wrong consistently. Either by misusing a statistic, omitting important information about a statistic or just straight up arguing like a cockhole. One side was actually correct in the aftermath of that shitshow of a debate, and it wasn't his fervent defenders.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;52481796]At least you've found a way to elevate yourself above everyone else :~~) [/QUOTE] well that's your interpretation of it
I especially love the part where the Internet became so fucking autistic over the last few years that you can't say anything without someone being up your ass about some stupid shit (or even worse when they act like they aren't but go into full passive aggressive mode). (funnily enough someone will probably be upset about me using term 'autistic' in this manner) I guess it's just me, but who the [B]FUCK[/B] cares?? Even if we assume the worst case scenario and that he's some nazi racist or whatever, who the FUCK cares? Do you know this guy IRL or something? And even if you did, why are you acting like you're his parent or something and find it your mission to berate random people online about their opinions? Just stop following his shit and stop giving him attention (which you think he shouldn't deserve anyway) if it upsets you this much. This goes for p much anything these days, whether you're pro-Trump/anti-Trump/so-called "SJW" or whatever, grow up and learn that people can have disagreeable (and bad) opinions and move on. I honestly couldn't give less of a shit about JonTron's political views because I don't watch him for his political opinions, and even if he did say some shit like "all Serbs should be hanged" or something akin to that I'd just be like "whatever, dude" and not throw a pissy fit over some guy's opinions. I could agree to some berating if someone is calling for violence, but people online tend to make victims of themselves more often than not just so they could feel special for some reason. Internet feels like it became walking on the eggshells in the last few years, where people often try to "one-up" each other, whether it be through moral superiority or some snarky remarks or anything else really. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Calm down" - Bengley))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=SirJon;52481789]I'm just pointing out that the whole debacle was ridiculous and a waste of every bodies time. And that it's frustrating to see each side entrenchenched in their opinion, believing beyond any possible doubt they they are right, and not trying to consider the other sides arguments, while simultaneously accusing each other of being closed minded or naive or however you want to put it. Hopefully someone becomes self aware if they're doing that if I complain about it enough[/QUOTE] I disagree. I think it's important to point out when an influential figure starts supporting extreme narratives. On top of being a fantastic content creator, JonTron has chimed in on multiple Youtube controversies and been a generally reasonable guy outside of politics. It's only fair to assume he holds a fair amount of influence over his audience, especially the younger portions. Jon himself didn't realize how extreme his views were getting. They got challenged accordingly, IMO
Yeah you've got a point
I feel like the whole event may have caused issues with any supporters of him so he could have had some money cut? I remember he was sponsored by Audible, don't know if that's still there after the kerfuffle. I honestly am not affected by his views, I just hope they can change for the better over time. Doesn't stop me from enjoying him.
[QUOTE=dzonint;52481821]I especially love the part where the Internet became so fucking autistic over the last few years that you can't say anything without someone being up your ass about some stupid shit (or even worse when they act like they aren't but go into full passive aggressive mode). (funnily enough someone will probably be upset about me using term 'autistic' in this manner) I guess it's just me, but who the [B]FUCK[/B] cares?? Even if we assume the worst case scenario and that he's some nazi racist or whatever, who the FUCK cares? Do you know this guy IRL or something? And even if you did, why are you acting like you're his parent or something and find it your mission to berate random people online about their opinions? Just stop following his shit and stop giving him attention (which you think he shouldn't deserve anyway) if it upsets you this much. This goes for p much anything these days, whether you're pro-Trump/anti-Trump/so-called "SJW" or whatever, grow up and learn that people can have disagreeable (and bad) opinions and move on. I honestly couldn't give less of a shit about JonTron's political views because I don't watch him for his political opinions, and even if he did say some shit like "all Serbs should be hanged" or something akin to that I'd just be like "whatever, dude" and not throw a pissy fit over some guy's opinions. I could agree to some berating if someone is calling for violence, but people online tend to make victims of themselves more often than not just so they could feel special for some reason. Internet feels like it became walking on the eggshells in the last few years, where people often try to "one-up" each other, whether it be through moral superiority or some snarky remarks or anything else really.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately racism and racist views fell out of popularity about 60 or so years ago. Obviously this doesn't apply to you but most people now days react negatively to the news that someone they like actually holds a load of questionable and ignorant viewpoints. Or just sit there and keep calling people autistic and see how many people listen to you.
People's opinions change over time, I doubt Jon still holds the opinions he expressed in that whole racist thing after it was really close to ruining his entire career.
I didn't realize this until now, but it seems TB and his friends no longer associate with JonTron at all after they chatted with him in private: [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/887127494775771140[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/887127680168144896[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/887129662618558464[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/887129773687832576[/media] [media]http://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/887129904118149120[/media] I wonder if he is still even with Normal Boots.
[QUOTE=Fangz;52483299]I didn't realize this until now, but it seems TB and his friends no longer associate with JonTron at all after they chatted with him in private: -britbong tweets- I wonder if he is still even with Normal Boots.[/QUOTE] Considering he's probably the reason anyone knows what normalboots actually is, I would say yes.
[QUOTE=Stroheim;52483311]Considering he's probably the reason anyone knows what normalboots actually is, I would say yes.[/QUOTE] Normal Boots have been appearing at a bunch of conventions lately advertising that the whole team is there, yet JonTron is missing. I wouldn't be surprised if he silently got the boot.
[QUOTE=Fangz;52483319]Normal Boots have been appearing at a bunch of conventions lately advertising that the whole team is there, yet JonTron is missing. I wouldn't be surprised if he silently got the boot.[/QUOTE] I'd say its equally likely he stepped down, he seems to at least be aware of how badly he fucked up.
[media]https://twitter.com/NormalBoots/status/864999365605076992[/media]
[QUOTE=Zakkin;52481875]I feel like the whole event may have caused issues with any supporters of him so he could have had some money cut? I remember he was sponsored by Audible, don't know if that's still there after the kerfuffle.[/QUOTE] He had multiple sponsors, and he was paid to make advertisements in the form of shitty skits. Presumably all the money that wasn't coming from his Patreon would have to come from them, 'cause he didn't have the usual youtube ads on his other videos. In light of what happened, I can understand why legitimate companies are probably now avoiding him like the plague.
[QUOTE=krosos8;52483382][media]https://twitter.com/NormalBoots/status/864999365605076992[/media][/QUOTE] I am surprised I missed this, but not surprised that this happened.
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52483517]this started as a thread about how he hasnt uploaded in ages and it turned into another witchhunt thread on him[/QUOTE] This is the single greatest witch hunt of a youtuber in American history!
[QUOTE=Swiket;52483533]This is the single greatest witch hunt of a youtuber in American history![/QUOTE] I'm playing YouTube Witch hunt Simulator for the pc, lets do this shit.
Wow I can't believe he changed it from this already without even putting out a new video. [video=youtube;UH8cVLeVHEM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH8cVLeVHEM[/video]
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