[QUOTE=Apache249;31148847]How was it?[/QUOTE]well it didn't taste anything like meat if that's what you were wondering. it wasn't bad but it wasn't what you'd expect from a burger
Well she might have a point by being Vegan but her attitude towards your situation is unhealthy.
Why Vegan? Perhaps she disapproves of the food system. All these animal products are mass harvested and quality is no longer a concern for these companies. This might make you more unhealthy over time. However, if you purchased at farmer's markets or the like, you'd be better off supporting local.
you guys are horrible at reading, this isn't the OP, he's just reposting it.
[QUOTE=amute;31131219][url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/science/22angi.html[/url]
He cites 5 different universities.
I looked it up, the only real refutation is from "Vegan soapbox" who refers to meat-eaters as murderers and whiners.[/QUOTE]
Nothing in that article proves that plants feel pain or have sentience, just that they react to environmental stimuli, which makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint (if plants died easily the species wouldn't last long)
I know a vegan, she's actually pretty cool, even if she's a member of PETA and is really strict on food
and animal rights. The funny thing is that her boyfriend eats meat and she seems to be fine with it.
The girl in the OP though, gives bad rep to everyone that wants to have an alternative lifestyle.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;31142664]
This, not too much.
You know why? Because both veganism and vegetarianism pretty much consist of eating supplements and replacements for meat, which will [U]never[/U] be like the real thing.
[editline]15th July 2011[/editline]
They can get pretty close, though... I'll give you that.[/QUOTE]
I don't eat supplements or replacements at all. You don't even have to be particularly careful about what you eat to be healthy, no more so than your average omnivore.
Also, for whoever was talking about B12, take a look at some Nutritional Yeast someday. It's weird, but it's also tasty and contains pretty much all of the odd vitamins and nutrients that a vegan/vegetarian might worry about getting otherwise :p
Pretty sure it's naturally abundant in the stuff as well, and therefore 'Natural' if you really care that much about that particular tag - as pointless as it is.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;31144141]you're not a carnivore
no need for vitamins or supplements at all[/QUOTE]
It's an unnatural diet to load up on supplements.
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;31150175]Nothing in that article proves that plants feel pain or have sentience, just that they react to environmental stimuli, which makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint (if plants died easily the species wouldn't last long)[/QUOTE]
They react to pain and the threat of pain.
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Thaard;31150317]I know a vegan, she's actually pretty cool, even if she's a member of PETA and is really strict on food
and animal rights. The funny thing is that her boyfriend eats meat and she seems to be fine with it.
The girl in the OP though, gives bad rep to everyone that wants to have an alternative lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
Surprising, PETA and Vegas are across the board obnoxious usually.
[QUOTE=Stalkay;31143829]Homo sapiens is a fucking carnivore... What the hell is wrong with people?[/QUOTE]
We're omnivores, we have incisors for slicing, canines for ripping and pre molars for cutting, and we have molars and wisdom teeth (sorta pointless but they help out if you get em) for grinding plant material down.
We can basically eat anything we want to, but our natural diet is effectively plant based supplemented by as much meat as we could get, at least that was what it was like way back when we stil lived hunter gatherer style, but now we're pretty much in the free and clear to just eat whatever we want to eat.
So in short we're not carnivores, at least not by biological construction/design (don't argue about the damn semantics of it)
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;31144503]we've been eating meat for SO long that humanity as a whole has literally evolved past any ailments brought on by the consumption of meat
as earlier posters have said, we're "designed" for it[/QUOTE]
No we're not.
Just, no.
[QUOTE=amute;31150707]It's an unnatural diet to load up on supplements.
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
They react to pain and the threat of pain.
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
Surprising, PETA and Vegas are across the board obnoxious usually.[/QUOTE]
Amute, your posts are getting steadily less sensible and intelligible.
For one, the notion of natural being a watchword for 'good' doesn't make any sense. If you want to stay 'natural', you're welcome to abandon your entirely unnatural long-life, creature comforts (including a house), and most of your food(assuming you don't hunt all your own meat, catch your own fish, grow all of your own fruits and vegetables).
Besides that, you're ignoring what any of us are saying. We don't eat supplements, so telling us such a diet is bad makes little sense.
Secondly, where are these biological studies that prove plants can feel pain and react to it? As we currently understand it (based on hundreds of years of scientific research) something needs a nervous system to feel pain, something plants appear to lack. Sure, we could be entirely wrong, but I'm not going to base my diet on quack science/people blindly defending their views regardless of facts or logic.
Thirdly, I highly doubt you know anything like as many vegans as I do, simply by virtue of me being one, and travelling the same circles. There are some obnoxious people, the proportion of vegans who are obnoxious is I suspect very similar to the proportion of everyone else who are obnoxious. And I really hope you realise that you're being pretty obnoxious yourself.
I was expecting loads of boxes and a lot of getting yelled at. I am neutrally surprised.
Yes, I did read it. I just assume the woman is stupid enough to not to pay attention to the rest of the article. (As often these kind of people tend to be.)
I was planning to not to come back to this thread after posting that, but curiosity got the better of me.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;31148197]I just want everyone to know I just ate a soy burger[/QUOTE]
I bought soy sausages the other day. They were very tasty.
[QUOTE=Thaard;31150317]I know a vegan, she's actually pretty cool, even if she's a member of PETA and is really strict on food
and animal rights. The funny thing is that her boyfriend eats meat and she seems to be fine with it.
The girl in the OP though, gives bad rep to everyone that wants to have an alternative lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
PETA actually isn't as good-natured as they would have you believe. If they can't find someone to adopt a cat or dog within a VERY small window, (1-2 weeks at the most) they put it down to "save" it from a bad life in a pound. That would be fine, if they didn't do that with 95% of the dogs that go through their system. The whole infograph is here: [url]http://i.imgur.com/dXAO2.gif[/url]
"I can no longer tolerate seeing meat, eggs, dairy, [b]honey[/b], or any other products from animals in our kitchen"
What?
If she has stupid views like that, shouldn't she also get pissed if she sees people wearing silk?
[QUOTE=RobL;31154966]"I can no longer tolerate seeing meat, eggs, dairy, [b]honey[/b], or any other products from animals in our kitchen"
What?
If she has stupid views like that, shouldn't she also get pissed if she sees people wearing silk?[/QUOTE]
She probably does, as well as foaming at the mouth at the site of people stepping on precious bacteria.
[QUOTE=CdeMonkey;31154859]PETA actually isn't as good-natured as they would have you believe. If they can't find someone to adopt a cat or dog within a VERY small window, (1-2 weeks at the most) they put it down to "save" it from a bad life in a pound. That would be fine, if they didn't do that with 95% of the dogs that go through their system. The whole infograph is here: [url]http://i.imgur.com/dXAO2.gif[/url][/QUOTE]
Sorry but killing pet animals is necessary, there's just way too many. Sure it seems all great and nice if you're a no kill shelter but ultimately the animals that aren't put down in a no kill shelter will just be brought to another and killed in that one instead.
The entire infograph is stupid and full of scare tactics.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;31155146]Sorry but killing pet animals is necessary, there's just way too many. Sure it seems all great and nice if you're a no kill shelter but ultimately the animals that aren't put down in a no kill shelter will just be brought to another and killed in that one instead.
The entire infograph is stupid and full of scare tactics.[/QUOTE]
A PETA apologist, that's new.
The infograph isn't "stupid" just because you want to pretend PETA is good.
I worked at a no kill shelter, they went along fine. the group that ran the shelter was splintered all across Dublin, they never had to once kill an animal, and the groups that are kill shelters don't nearly kill as many animals a PETA does. You've clearly never even been near an animal shelter, they don't just fucking kill off animals left and right because there is too many, if they do transfer animals, very rarely are they put through euthanasia just because people don't adopt them, that's just not how it fucking goes.
PETA is a hypocritical terrorist group, and you need to be fucking daft to even remotely defend them.
I wonder how many insects PETA members have killed
[QUOTE=Shadaez;31155146]Sorry but killing pet animals is necessary, there's just way too many. Sure it seems all great and nice if you're a no kill shelter but ultimately the animals that aren't put down in a no kill shelter will just be brought to another and killed in that one instead.
The entire infograph is stupid and full of scare tactics.[/QUOTE]
Killing the animals would be fine, if they gave the animal more than a few days before they killed, or if they weren't also preaching that killing animals for food is wrong. Yet what they do, kill animals and completely waste the remains of them by putting them in dumpsters is right.
[QUOTE=amute;31156146]A PETA apologist, that's new.
The infograph isn't "stupid" just because you want to pretend PETA is good.
I worked at a no kill shelter, they went along fine. the group that ran the shelter was splintered all across Dublin, they never had to once kill an animal, and the groups that are kill shelters don't nearly kill as many animals a PETA does. You've clearly never even been near an animal shelter, they don't just fucking kill off animals left and right because there is too many, if they do transfer animals, very rarely are they put through euthanasia just because people don't adopt them, that's just not how it fucking goes.
PETA is a hypocritical terrorist group, and you need to be fucking daft to even remotely defend them.[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean a no kill shelter transfers the animals, I mean that there's far too many pets than people who want pets, they must either be put down or payed for their entire life, if you can't see that the entire infograph is full of scare tactics if hate PETA or not - you're pretty thick.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;31158933]I didn't mean a no kill shelter transfers the animals, I mean that there's far too many pets than people who want pets, they must either be put down or payed for their entire life, if you can't see that the entire infograph is full of scare tactics if hate PETA or not - you're pretty thick.[/QUOTE]
peta is still an abomination
you'd best drop it because it looks like you're defending them
[QUOTE=amute;31150707]
They react to pain and the threat of pain.
[/QUOTE]
They react to environmental stimuli, not pain
You need sentience to feel pain
I don't think you know what pain is
Next you'll argue that venus flytraps are intelligent
You have to put a little thought into it, it's PETA we're talking about, the animals that they bring in are more likely rescued from some horrible owner who abused them, or they're just generally unfit for adoption. We don't really know based on the infograph, though. All it does it throw big scary numbers at you.
Oh my god they killed 20000 animals!
but under what circumstances?
Taking numbers out of context can make anything look bad.
Obviously they're not perfect, and they're basically just there for publicity.
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TBFundy;31159160]peta is still an abomination
you'd best drop it because it looks like you're defending them[/QUOTE]
I am defending them. I just don't want people hating the group for little to no reason, or because some clever infograph says so. I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;31158933]I didn't mean a no kill shelter transfers the animals, I mean that there's far too many pets than people who want pets, they must either be put down or payed for their entire life, if you can't see that the entire infograph is full of scare tactics if hate PETA or not - you're pretty thick.[/QUOTE]
The infograph is presenting facts, facts that show clearly PETA does unnessary things. They kill more animals than any shelter I can think of, something tells me they're doing something wrong. It's not scare tactics you daft fuck, it's the fact of the matter. and don't pretend you're not defending them, because you are.
You want to see scare tactics? look at PETA. They are the fucking kings at scare tactics.
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Shadaez;31159284]You have to put a little thought into it, it's PETA we're talking about, the animals that they bring in are more likely rescued from some horrible owner who abused them, or they're just generally unfit for adoption. We don't really know based on the infograph, though. All it does it throw big scary numbers at you.
Oh my god they killed 20000 animals!
but under what circumstances?
Taking numbers out of context can make anything look bad.
Obviously they're not perfect, and they're basically just there for publicity.
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
I am defending them. I just don't want people hating the group for little to no reason, or because some clever infograph says so. I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons.[/QUOTE]
lol, you're defending PETA. Can you get any lower?
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
For a vegan, you seem pretty open to unnecessary euthanasia.
Here's some interesting food for thought
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/19/AR2005121901777.html[/url]
Shadaez I've agreed with you for the most part in this thread but PETA is a disgrace to animal rights
Next he'll defend ALF.
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
Not the brown slug thing on legs
I actually knew someone once, who was even more extreme. She actually believed that the plants had feelings, and that even eating plants/harvesting crops was murder. Of course, she had to eat them, because there isn't much else you can eat if you're a vegan who also thinks chopping up a carrot is killing it :V
I think there might be a proper term for this, but i'm not sure
[QUOTE=LonelyTimeLord;31159993]I actually knew someone once, who was even more extreme. She actually believed that the plants had feelings, and that even eating plants/harvesting crops was murder. Of course, she had to eat them, because there isn't much else you can eat if you're a vegan who also thinks chopping up a carrot is killing it :V
I think there might be a proper term for this, but i'm not sure[/QUOTE]
I think the proper term is probably "mentally deficient".
[QUOTE=LonelyTimeLord;31159993]I actually knew someone once, who was even more extreme. She actually believed that the plants had feelings, and that even eating plants/harvesting crops was murder. Of course, she had to eat them, because there isn't much else you can eat if you're a vegan who also thinks chopping up a carrot is killing it :V
I think there might be a proper term for this, but i'm not sure[/QUOTE]
Tosser.
[QUOTE=Pantheocide;31150802]No we're not.
Just, no.[/QUOTE]
umm
yes we are
i can say we don't have hands but that wouldn't make it true now would it
the human digestive system is tooled around an omnivorous diet, we can process meat just as well if not better than most vegetables
[QUOTE=Shadaez;31155146]Sorry but killing pet animals is necessary, there's just way too many. Sure it seems all great and nice if you're a no kill shelter but ultimately the animals that aren't put down in a no kill shelter will just be brought to another and killed in that one instead.
The entire infograph[B] is stupid and full of scare tactics[/B].[/QUOTE]
So, just like the PETA with all their claims and protests?
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