'What John Oliver, H3H3, and others miss about Net Neutrality'
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[QUOTE=Talishmar;53002654]Net neutrality laws [I]were[/I] those new rules and regulations, and now they're getting repealed
Have you thought about that for five seconds, if businesses had to compete with each other for speed and visibility, what would happen to any competitor or service smaller than Netflix and Google?[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that's exactly how it would go down, I'm just explaining what I think the point being made is.
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;53002933]I'm not saying that's exactly how it would go down, I'm just explaining what I think the point being made is.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't change the fact that the point is flawed from a consumers perspective and is thus shit.
NN were the only protection people in the US had from getting roughly buttfucked by ISP's without a lengthy court circus, and just because ISP's are not gonna do it roughly immediately (but given why NN sprung into existence in the first place) it's definitely gonna happen again.
are the young people arguing against net neutrality just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian? I legitimately don't understand this way of thinking...
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;53002588]No, there's a lot of bullshit going against startup ISPs but NN isn't one.
Why would it be, anyways?[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I'm not too knowledgeable on how the internet works. I saw this video and it seemed like bullshit, but I didn't have any way to prove it.
[video=youtube;y5lGDrLlEeE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5lGDrLlEeE[/video]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;53001870]i havent listened to the entire video but the comments are all dumb alt right bullshit and thats pretty telling of what im in for isnt it[/QUOTE]
regardless of the content of the video, this comment would not get this many agrees if it weren't criticizing the "alt-right"
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;53003151]are the young people arguing against net neutrality just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian? I legitimately don't understand this way of thinking...[/QUOTE]
Pretty much
If liberals and the mainstream care about it, then it's bad
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[QUOTE=Chaplin;53003207]Meme format: Scooby doo unmasking scene
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Second Panel: The villain, tied up. It's OP.
Third panel: Once the mask is pulled off, we reveal that it was actually comcast and verizon ghostwriting OPs posts![/QUOTE]
This is the cringiest thing I've read on FP in months
What gets me every time is how people keep shifting the meaning of these stupid fucking catchphrases to try and disprove a point that has nothing to do with the original thing.
CDNs aren't "fast lanes", they have nothing to do with traffic priorization at all, they're means to distribute network load by storing data closer to the last mile, they serve as means to lower the response time and global network load from heavy international traffic, which say, bittorrent is guilty of.
They're more important to, say, TIER 1/2 networks and congestion from absurd load of Netflix, BitTorrent and Youtube rather than ISPs, saying that "oh but fast lanes exists! CDNS!" is actually misguided as all hell, and doesn't address at all ISPs overreach.
[editline]24th December 2017[/editline]
Also, "case-by-case" would be terrible for startups that can't pay millions on lobbying and suits in order to fight for their lives.
Every argument I've heard against Net Neutrality has been bullshit so far. It seems conservatives are just trying to find ways to argue in favour of Ajit, instead of caring about the truth.
[QUOTE=Chaplin;53003207]Meme format: Scooby doo unmasking scene
First panel: Me, saying "let's see who's behidn this masl"
Second Panel: The villain, tied up. It's OP.
Third panel: Once the mask is pulled off, we reveal that it was actually comcast and verizon ghostwriting OPs posts![/QUOTE]
Come on man, at least put in the effort to actually make it instead of writing it out.
Oh sweet Jesus. Is there a way to get someone to stop talking?
Because this guy's beginning arguments use sources which are not only [B]out of date by 10 years[/B], which is a big no-no in any serious discussion about something as rapidly evolving as technology. But they're also misquoted in general.
On top of that, he tries to drag in bringing our elected officials into this but the FCC was and is actually doing its job as its job is to create regulations and guidelines that are to be enforced to create a fair environment for consumers and small businesses and got the bulk of their power specifically [B]tearing down a god damn monopoly.[/B]
The Obama Era FCC were doing their god damn jobs and its idiots like this dumbass who sit there and come up with excuses without not knowing their own nation's history. I swear to fuck, Liberals may not know what evil people to yell at, but Conservatives have invented their own terrifyingly dumb and simple version of American History that basically ignores every core function of the United States government because its 'hard' and 'complicated'.
[editline]24th December 2017[/editline]
The problem with Ajit Pie and this FCC is that they quite literally seem to have violated several of their own regulations when creating new policies of this magnitude such as bringing in expert testimony, reading comments and discussing them in open and doing open mic periods of discussion.
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;53002933]I'm not saying that's exactly how it would go down, I'm just explaining what I think the point being made is.[/QUOTE]
Utterly baffled why you think the point is relevant in ANY context.
This guy talks too fast
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;53004048]Thankfully even most conservative-leaning people aren't falling for it. I'm in the deep south, so my social media feed has a ton of super conservative people on it. But even they're being very critical over the net neutrality repeal.[/QUOTE]
Last I checked net neutrality had something like 80% approval?
[QUOTE=imnotryan;53004081]This guy talks too fast[/QUOTE]
That's because nothing he speaks makes any sense, so he makes up for it being fast af to sound smarter and not linger for too long in any of the topics.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;53002549]I've heard from anti-nn people that it causes hardship for startup ISPs. Any validity to that?[/QUOTE]
It's the exact opposite, new companies and smaller companies will have a really hard time competing against the established companies once the completely legal briberies commences, even if they provide services that are objectively superior in every way.
"Hey, Facebook, Instagram, Spotify, every single major site, ignore them and don't give them access to your services, here's a fat stack of cash. Because, well, you don't want me and my other huge ISP buddies to throttle you in favour of your competition, do you?"
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;53001973]This is a way better video breaking down Net Neutrality, the lies told to have it repealed, and the shit eels behind it.
Basically, Ajit Pai is a dastardly fucking liar.[/QUOTE]
Good lord can I get a complete picture of that timeline shown in this video??
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oops wait its in the vid comments
PSA Sitch made a video in response to this video. Be warned though, it is an hour long.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGJMwvZKueY[/media]
[QUOTE=froztshock;53001943]Simple: Net Neutrality as we know it was implemented, in 2015, to curb the desperate desire of the telecoms to hinder those who used the bandwidth they'd paid for (I.E. netfix and other upstart internet companeis), and as a result the FCC, at the time [I]not[/I] under the control of corporate telecom whores, ruled in favor of small business owners.
Then, with the new administration, the FCC now basically under the control of shameless telecom lobbyists, decided to blow their load on allowing the telecoms to do whatever the fuck they want. The same telecoms who make restrictive and stifling local deals with governments who effectively grant them monopolies, who go out of their way to break government-public trust, and who have made an effort to actively [I]avoid[/I] any opportunity to upgrade their infratructure, instead pocketing even government subsidy money rather than re-investing it into improving their lines.
Did you know that there are [I]many[/I] countries that have superior internet infrastructure to the US? Superior internet, superior education... Shiiiit, you know, I get the impression that, in a technological future, the United States is going to get absolutely [I]shit on[/I] by countries like South Korea and other who actually managed to invest in their internet infrastructure because they didn't have lobbyists corrupting their politicians to worm against it. But ah well...[/QUOTE]
That's the problem all across the USA. We invest in ways to make more money off people. Other countries invest in its people
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