• Should musicians write their own music?
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Are you saying you can't tell a story with expression only?
You can, but you have to be specific/careful on how you convey it. You(the listener) can make your own story of course, but trying to tell a specific story to all the listeners, is difficult without lyrics or specific sounds or moods. It will always be up for debate, since everything has different meanings to people.
I don't know, a skilled musician can easily pass a story without lyrics.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33043708]I don't know, a skilled musician can easily pass a story without lyrics.[/QUOTE] Ok, what story do the people in the clip I posted convey? They are obviously skilled.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33043377]Yes. Going to a shop it plays mainstream, going to school it plays mainstream, sitting in a bus, someone plays mainstream. So yes I am.[/QUOTE] Simple solution to all your problems. Over-Ear Headphones.
[QUOTE=AK'z;33043762]Simple solution to all your problems. Over-Ear Headphones.[/QUOTE] Why? So I look like a weirdo?
headphones are considered weird now?
I wear headphones constantly. Best shit ever.
[QUOTE=Thaard;33043761]Ok, what story do the people in the clip I posted convey? They are obviously skilled.[/QUOTE] None, hence why I don't like that artist/genre. I don't listen to music in the public so wearing headphones seems silly.
Musicians don't need to write their own music. For example composers of classical music can skilfully compose various pieces that are undoubtedly much better than other composers and are worthy of credit for such.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33043872]Why? So I look like a weirdo?[/QUOTE] You think you're not a weirdo? Fine, enjoy being "the guy who gets angry every time he hears a pop song" [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Thaard;33043460]Music doesn't always need to tell a story. If you listen to jazz(without vocalists) it's about more or less pure expression. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkewiFES7vI[/media] A lot of expression and people playing out their souls. You can go even further and listen to free jazz, which is 95% expression.[/QUOTE] It's all expressive. Doesn't mean it's telling a [I]story[/I] but rather just feelings in music.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33036519]So what? Do you think all these countless artists who sing about love sing about themselves or their experiences? Even beatles probably don't do that. Music is like acting, you get into a role and then perform it, all your songs don't have to be expressions of yourself only, if it was music would become boring as shit. Music isn't about expressing yourself, it's about telling a story through a song. Be it a superhero or a pirate or a generic love story, but still a story. Sure it can be about yourself, but it doesn't have to be. I once read in the news where some writer(book, not song) wrote a sad story in first person and everyone later was outraged when they found out it wasn't about him. Jeez.[/QUOTE] the thing is they're TRYING to sell it as their own experience and emotional state of mind - when it's NOT it's just not authentic at all, and really it's just stupid
[QUOTE=AK'z;33044252]You think you're not a weirdo? Fine, enjoy being "the guy who gets angry every time he hears a pop song" [/QUOTE]Who said I get angry when I hear them? I just dislike them. It's not like my ears start to bleed and my brain blows up when I hear one. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mon;33044867]the thing is they're TRYING to sell it as their own experience and emotional state of mind - when it's NOT it's just not authentic at all, and really it's just stupid[/QUOTE] I guess, point taken.
I like to think there's a line where music stops being art and starts being entertainment, and which it is depends on the person who makes the music and why he makes it. If you spcifically manufacture a song to be a hit single, I can't really find any artistic qualities in it. It rarely expresses the artist (even less so if the "artist" didn't even write the song) and art is all about expressing oneself. And I'm not saying one kind of music is in some way superior to the other. To me it's like movies. I can't really make myself think of a Michael Bay movie as art, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching them. [QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33036519]Music isn't about expressing yourself, it's about telling a story through a song. Be it a superhero or a pirate or a generic love story, but still a story. Sure it can be about yourself, but it doesn't have to be. I once read in the news where some writer(book, not song) wrote a sad story in first person and everyone later was outraged when they found out it wasn't about him. Jeez.[/QUOTE] Umm, don't you think the story is a way to express the person who made it?
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33044936]Who said I get angry when I hear them? I just dislike them. It's not like my ears start to bleed and my brain blows up when I hear one. [/QUOTE] Seriously, there's no point complaining about it when you don't have to hear it.
Personally, I think understanding the artist to a piece of music is vital to understanding the music itself. Take Kurt Cobain, for example. It's incredibly hard to do this and fully appreciate a piece without being able to relate to the artist because they're being hidden behind celebrity figures claiming credit.
[QUOTE=jakeabbott96;33053371]Personally, I think understanding the artist to a piece of music is vital to understanding the music itself. Take Kurt Cobain, for example. It's incredibly hard to do this and fully appreciate a piece without being able to relate to the artist because they're being hidden behind celebrity figures claiming credit.[/QUOTE] cobain wrote most of his songs on the fly you can try to get some kind of deeper meaning out of them but really there isn't any
Nobody is allowed to play Mozart ever again.
Obviously yes. Musicians should write their own music, if not they are pretty much talentless cash cows.
[QUOTE=Nobaddy;33204269]Obviously yes. Musicians should write their own music, if not they are pretty much talentless cash cows.[/QUOTE] Or, you know, paying tribute to the bands/artists that inspired them?
We should look at what a musician is. A musician on a very simple level is one who writes music. As far as I can see it people who don't write their own music is not a musician neither an artist. A person who performs what other people wrote is just a performer. When we're talking about just a singer who gets some person to write music for their lyrics then you can just call them a singer, but then we have people who even recruit lyricists to write their lyrics for them. Sure you can still call them a musician if you look at it that the lyrics they write is called music to people, but when you're talking about a person who gets a band to write everything for him then we're just talking about a performer. Maybe I'm seeing this like a horse with blinders, but in all honesty that's how I see it.
me farting is music by definition. Everyone is an artist
So long as the music is copied and performed correctly I have no issue with it, but if they claim it for themselves that is just not cool at all. [QUOTE=Nobaddy;33204269]Obviously yes. Musicians should write their own music, if not they are pretty much talentless cash cows.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure you're talking about bands on tour. Yes, if they cover other people's songs on tour then that's just weird since they should be on level of writing their own songs and music. On that point I agree with you.
As long as they don't use autotune and have a nice voice, I don't really see the issue with someone else writing their songs.
[QUOTE=ShadoWxAssassiN;33245829]So long as the music is copied and performed correctly I have no issue with it, but if they claim it for themselves that is just not cool at all. [/QUOTE] I have to object with that, you see if the cover has its own style as compared to the original then it would mean more than just "A carbon copy" of the original. Although you may think it's all good that they precisely performed it, I would call it a no-effort version at presenting their own take on a song.
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