[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38673004]Some of you guys will try to find misogyny in a fucking cereal box.[/QUOTE]
Are you implying that there isn't any misogyny to be found on the topic of video games?
is this guy completely batshit retarded? Women can and probably know about muting the mic, but for fucks sake, they shouldn't have to.
[QUOTE=JerryK;38671605]lol is this guy really trying to say that men are just as sexualized in games as women are
and the rest of the video makes literally no sense at all so not even going to bother with that[/QUOTE]
Pfft! have you been living in a rock dude?
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men clearly are!
hell, look at this guy in a dress
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there needs to be more homoerotic games
[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;38673050]there needs to be more homoerotic games[/QUOTE]
the elder scrolls
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38673004]Some of you guys will try to find misogyny in a fucking cereal box.[/QUOTE]
You're blind if you don't see overly sexualized female characters all over gaming.
more like all over everything
it's p. much been around since the birth of cinema, while progress has been made there is still a lot of work to do
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38672105]They're just video games, not Saudi Arabia, they're not part of a conspiracy to diminish women's rights[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38673004]Some of you guys will try to find misogyny in a fucking cereal box.[/QUOTE]
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i'm dorothy and your posts are scarecrow
the last sentence is important
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38673065]You're blind if you don't see overly sexualized female characters all over gaming.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, I'm too busy actually playing a game to have fun instead of sitting and pondering the ongoing oppression of women.
[editline]1st December 2012[/editline]
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i'm dorothy and your posts are scarecrow
the last sentence is important[/QUOTE]
Great contribution
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38673125]Maybe, I'm too busy actually playing a game to have fun instead of sitting and pondering the ongoing oppression of women.[/QUOTE]
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and literally every JRPG ever
there's no games that video games are sexist towards females gu-
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what the fuck
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and literally every JRPG ever[/QUOTE]
I don't really see how thats sexist though, many women wear that to be honest. It's not showing INSANE amounts.
I mean, compared to my examples at least
first one though lol wtf
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38673125]Maybe, I'm too busy actually playing a game to have fun instead of sitting and pondering the ongoing oppression of women.[/QUOTE]
so does literally everyone
but it helps.
I'd rather laugh at Duke Nukem but understand its still an overly sexist piece of shit.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38673125]Maybe, I'm too busy actually playing a game to have fun instead of sitting and pondering the ongoing oppression of women.
[editline]1st December 2012[/editline]
Great contribution[/QUOTE]
it's more annoying when you complain about people's posting habits, yet you're guilty of the things you're bugging them about, and expect to be taken seriously
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38673125]
Great contribution[/QUOTE]
you obviously didn't get it. "all straw, no brain".
[quote]Maybe, I'm too busy actually playing a game to have fun instead of sitting and pondering the ongoing oppression of women.[/quote]
what you're doing is basically beating a horse made out of straw to death
no-one's suggested, even remotely, not even tumbler feminists, that A: "videogames are a conspiracy to diminish women's rights", B: that there is misogyny to be found everywhere including "a fucking cereal box", and C: that everyone should be busy "pondering the ongoing oppression of women" instead of playing a videogame.
there's this time period you have, it usually happens when you stop digesting a piece of multimedia, where you wonder what it means and what effect it has on you. this is turned into something called criticism where we critique something from any angle, whether "New Critic" or "Feminist".
this is separate from the undeniable ongoing online abuse women get in videogames (particularly if they are super-male oriented), and neither you nor the person in the OP's video understand that.
obviously all this video does is just tell you what the fuck you wanted to hear anyway. i'm missing the point honestly. this guy isn't going to do anything in order to try and convince you, he's just uttering some stupid opinion that's designed to boost his credibility, up his views, and maybe get him more subscriptions.
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I don't really see how thats sexist though, many women wear that to be honest. It's not showing INSANE amounts.
I mean, compared to my examples at least
first one though lol wtf[/QUOTE]
I just have a problem with it because she's a main character, a character you're supposed to care for and want to protect throughout the game. The way they seem to make you want to do that is giving her D-cups and putting her in a corset. Donno of that makes it sexist or not, but it's a cheap and lazy way of making the player be interested in a character.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38673218]I just have a problem with it because she's a main character, a character you're supposed to care for and want to protect throughout the game. The way they seem to make you want to do that is giving her D-cups and putting her in a corset. Donno of that makes it sexist or not, but it's a cheap and lazy way of making the player be interested in a character.[/QUOTE]
What would be your ideal female character, honest question
Women being objectified by men? Preposterous.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38673218]I just have a problem with it because she's a main character, a character you're supposed to care for and want to protect throughout the game. The way they seem to make you want to do that is giving her D-cups and putting her in a corset. Donno of that makes it sexist or not, but it's a cheap and lazy way of making the player be interested in a character.[/QUOTE]
it hasn't even been released yet and she has a good amount of character to her, relax.
[QUOTE=J!NX;38673157]there's no games that video games are sexist towards females gu-
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what the fuck
I don't really see how thats sexist though, many women wear that to be honest. It's not showing INSANE amounts.
I mean, compared to my examples at least
first one though lol wtf
so does literally everyone
but it helps.
I'd rather laugh at Duke Nukem but understand its still an overly sexist piece of shit.[/QUOTE]
Her role, not so much her clothes, in Bioshock Infinite may end up catering to the stereotype of damsels in distress possibly.
I won't judge till I play the game though.
This is literally what feminism argues against anyway, cultural norms imposing unrealistic ideals upon both genders
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38673224]What would be your ideal female character, honest question[/QUOTE]
I thought Zoey from left 4 dead was a pretty cool character.
and let me also mention why it matters;
because it's fucking embarrassing.
i'm not a 15 year old school boy who gets his kicks from yelling at girls on the internet. i am a 20-something dude who talks and does stuff with women at least 50% of the time. i love videogames as a hobby, i think they are super-interesting and have so much potential.
which is why it's so terrible when there's not only some hilariously stupid portrayals of women in like every single game, making me cringe superhard and going "god who wrote this", it's also terrible when someone i am friends with gets treated with contempt simply because she had the audacity of being female while online.
which means that women basically get turned into this side-market even though they on average play more games than men. that sounds pretty stupid to me.
[QUOTE=J!NX;38673240]it hasn't even been released yet and she has a good amount of character to her, relax.[/QUOTE]
Not denying whether or not her character will be good, I just don't like that they chose the cheap and lazy route of unnecessarily giving her massive tits and a corset.
Also: the biggest obstacle to further progress is people saying there is no longer any progress to be made.
This applies everywhere, including misogyny and feminism.
WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE MEN, THE POOR DEFENSELESS MEN WHO MUST CATER TO THESE VIOLENT, DEMANDING FEMINISTS?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38673272]I thought Zoey from left 4 dead was a pretty cool character.[/QUOTE]
My favorite is Meryl from MGS
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38673224]What would be your ideal female character, honest question[/QUOTE]
any character that isn't over-sexualized is fairly nice.
delphine(skyrim) is a good example of a strong female character. she has authority and her character isn't based around her relationship towards a man. she doesnt wear skimpy clothes into battle as well.
mass effect characters are borderline as well. liara is feminine and sensitive without being portrayed as overly weak or dependent on a male counterpart for much of the game.
the weird thing though is that these are both games where the protaganist can be both male or female, with heavy interactivity.
There's also Alyx Vance from Half-Life 2. One of the best examples of well developed female characters in video games, in my opinion.
it's really not that simple. it depends on the character.
if it's a character the player has to like or enjoy the company of, there needs to be more to that than just "oh i'd bang her".
this again goes back to the fact that gamers are considered juvenile. most gamers are adults, they shouldn't be judging women based on how much they'd like to bone them, and they probably don't.
yet game devs don't realize that and think the primary chief characteristics for a female character is "fuckability".
[quote]There's also Alyx Vance from Half-Life 2[/quote]
Alyx Vance. even though she's not exactly the greatest most well-written character ever (random NPCs display more emotions than her), at least i'd hope most gamers want to see more of her for reasons unrelated to her physical appearance. she's basically the vehicle for the story anyway. that's a fucking character.
but for the players themselves, besides some RPG's, games have almost completely failed to make female protagonists that women can relate to, probably because even though there are so many female developers AAA+ titles only operate in a single-minded plane of dudeness, where there's the assumption that males are completely incapable and uninterested in seeing something through the female perspective
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38673354]any character that isn't over-sexualized is fairly nice.
delphine(skyrim) is a good example of a strong female character. she has authority and her character isn't based around her relationship towards a man. she doesnt wear skimpy clothes into battle as well.
mass effect characters are borderline as well. liara is feminine and sensitive without being portrayed as overly weak or dependent on a male counterpart for much of the game.
the weird thing though is that these are both games where the protaganist can be both male or female, with heavy interactivity.[/QUOTE]
Shepard ended up being the best female character
...because her script was written for male Shepard, which is a depressing thing to think about
The "men are sexualized as much as women" argument is old and HORRIBLY outdated and debunked. Before gaming it was used for comic books, and it was bullshit there and it's bullshit here. Hypermasculine male characters are not sexualized in a way that women actually want to see, they're more geared towards creating an escapist power fantasy for men. Women in general generally prefer someone who's more lithe and lean, muscular but slim, not the square jawed "manly man" you see in comics or many video-games.
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This explains my point better than I can. I've heard this argument way too many times at my local comic book shop and it makes me want to scream.
to illustrate let's think about the protagonists for games that are aimed at both men AND women, games which you're just as likely to see women liking the main character as are men and stars a solely.
...
Can't think of any? Well here's a prime example:
The Legend of Zelda
Even though Link may be considered androgynous looking he is still lusted after and loved by many female gamers even though he is not sexualized in any way shape or form. It could be argued that this may be a case of accessibility seeing as he's a pg hero, but the point still stands that he is beloved by female gamers. I've seen enough Navi and chibi link keychains at conventions to know that he's a hot commodity, and why wouldn't he be? He fits the criteria of things women want: A lithe muscular selfless hero with courage who treats people with kindness. As a bonus, men like him because he beats shit in. I'm not saying there's no overlap of course, everybody likes to see an ass kicking hero.
If you compare it to other characters who could be considered "sexualizied" youll realize that they don't fit what is desirable for women to want as opposed to what men wish to BE.
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