JonTron Megathread: The Most Retarded Thread on Facepunch - General

[QUOTE=Pythagoras64;51744691]Ah jeez, this whole situation makes me sad. I've been watching my group of friends rant about how much of a nazi jontron is, and I really don't want to get involved and tell them they're being fucking idiots. I really like Jon, and maybe I don't agree with everything he says, he's still a nice guy and doesn't deserve all of the shit people are giving him. I really don't handle this kind of drama well, even if it's second hand.[/QUOTE] No offense but if your friends are actually, unironically calling him a nazi, they [i]might[/i] be complete fucking idiots.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51744697]No offense but if your friends are actually calling him a nazi, they [I]might [/I]be complete fucking idiots.[/QUOTE] They're not normally, so I don't know where the hell this is all coming from. Just makes it even more frustrating, because I know they're usually better than this.

Actually some really fun conversations happening on the T_D thread. [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5qqs25/this_based_youtuber_is_being_attacked_by_sjws_for/[/url] TFW most of the T_D comments are saner than what I seen from others on different platforms on this issue.

[QUOTE=Pythagoras64;51744701]They're not normally, so I don't know where the hell this is all coming from. Just makes it even more frustrating, because I know they're not normally like this.[/QUOTE] Have they actually listened to what he said or did they just read some guys out of context misinterpreted hyperbole on tumblr and assume it was true? [editline]29th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tudd;51744704]Actually some really fun conversations happening on the T_D thread. [i]-/r/The_Donald-[/i][/QUOTE] Wew.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51744705]Have they actually listened to what he said or did they just read some guys out of context misinterpreted hyperbole on tumblr and assume it was true?[/QUOTE] The latter is my guess. If I wasn't a complete pussy I'd tell them they're being retarded.

[QUOTE=Pythagoras64;51744710]The latter is my guess.[/QUOTE] I'd ask them that. Dont word it like me of course, that wouldnt end well, just ask if they've listened to the stream and where they heard about it. Try and wiggle some reference to fact checking in there.

I got about 3/4 of the way through it and as far as I can tell, He doesn't say anything objectively racist or sexist at all. I'd fully expect some people to disagree with his opinions but he doesn't say anything bigoted as far as I can tell.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51741846]You'll forgive me for not being able to watch a 4 or 2 hour stream at the moment but does he actually criticize the right at all in those? That was the original claim that I found to be personally unsupported. Which is fine, like I said I have no problem with him criticizing the left. I just think it's somewhat disingenuous to say he hits the right just as hard. He pays lip service to the right and will occasionally punch down to libertarianism because it's an easy target but he very rarely attacks people or parties on right wing politics. Just the opposite, as Tudd's video shows, he will approve of behavior the right does even if it's the same thing he rips the left for doing. I mean case in point, he spends 80% of the video criticizing blanket "the left" and says some of Trump's executive orders are "contentious". He outright approves of Spicer's attitude during the first press conference because "democrats did it first". This video perfectly encapsulates why I don't watch Sargon anymore and it has nothing to do with his criticism of the left or Democrats because I mostly agree with those, it's his constant fence-sitting and defense of Trump and his administrations behavior that totally runs at odds to what he has been endorsing on his channel through his crusade against ideological purity on the left. I don't know why when you have shown no real attachment to anything resembling left-wing politics and constantly generalize them using cherrypicked examples of zealots.[/QUOTE] This is a pattern I've noticed, and it really bugs me. You get people who claim to just want to improve the left and say they're liberals and moderates, but they never pay anything but the slightest bit of lip-service to criticising the right, and frequently associate with right-wing figures unpopular with even their own side.

Is the stream out yet?

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51745027]Is the stream out yet?[/QUOTE] Yeah it's been out for a while [video=youtube;kyFXpXVZ8ho]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyFXpXVZ8ho&t=9637s[/video] It's both hilarious and horrifying how people (Tumblr especially) are straight up not watching it though and then making shit up and I mean straight up making fake lists of " HORRIBLE SHIT THAT THIS NAZI FUCKWIT JONTRON SAID" "HE SAID HITLER WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG" without actually marking at any point in the video where he said that, because he DIDN'T, he didn't say any of what they are spouting and in fact has very moderate views on the various subject's they bring up in the stream, this is just a tactic to get people pissed at him though, it really is. It's just because it's a long stream and people aren't going to sit through that many hours, they can get away with spouting lies, because they know people are too lazy to watch it all the way through, it hurts me to think that a certain minority of people are taking quite average left leaning views from a very moderate person so badly, then because they don't have a leg to stand on, straight up lying about anything Jon [I]actually[/I] said to get people on their side, makes me sick tbh.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51744704]Actually some really fun conversations happening on the T_D thread. [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5qqs25/this_based_youtuber_is_being_attacked_by_sjws_for/[/url] TFW most of the T_D comments are saner than what I seen from others on different platforms on this issue.[/QUOTE] DUDE. STOP.

[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;51745105]DUDE. STOP.[/QUOTE] Asking Tudd to stop posting political shit is like asking a fish to breathe out of water. He just can't do it.

[QUOTE=jonu67;51745046]Yeah it's been out for a while [video=youtube;kyFXpXVZ8ho]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyFXpXVZ8ho&t=9637s[/video] [/QUOTE]Oh he has a stream channel. I looked on his main and saw nothing. [editline]29th January 2017[/editline] I'm having trouble listening to this. While I dislike SJWs, this is awfully ignorant and misinformed and quite frankly viewed from a very shallow angle.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51745161]Oh he has a stream channel. I looked on his main and saw nothing. [editline]29th January 2017[/editline] I'm having trouble listening to this. While I dislike SJWs, this is awfully ignorant and misinformed and quite frankly viewed from a very shallow angle.[/QUOTE] Considering that Jon likely has a large majority of his viewpoints and opinions derivative from reddit and the general consensus of that community with little fact-checking or source researching - instead going off titles, comment sections, and similar things of the like, is it really that surprising that his opinions are likely misinformed, very shallow, and kinda...dumb? Few of his opinions or stances seem to have much actual grounding or research put behind them and he's making stupid claims and tweets about things he has pure face-value information about and is just doubling down on those face-value things because "SJW's" are calling him out for being an absolute nitwit dunderheaded plonker. Mind you little of what he's saying is outright offensive, but most of it is what I consider to be all around pretty dumb in general.

[QUOTE=Thatrandomuser;51745269] Mind you little of what he's saying is outright offensive, but most of it is what I consider to be all around pretty dumb in general.[/QUOTE]It's not offensive, it's just, kinda shocking coming from someone like him. It's one thing being right leaning, it's another to be right leaning for meme reasons like "SJWs did a boo boo". I won't be unsubbing cause I enjoy his content greatly, but I do wish he'd either educate himself and offer better arguments or not express his political views in public interviews as all it does is make him look dumb.

Rawr politics blargh video games blah me twitter king Ok so I get that PBG has opinions, and I get that twitter is a fast way to tell people about his. But straight up calling Jon out in the middle of calm debate and having a babyfit over it on the [I]internet [/I]is, well massively infantile

[QUOTE=Reds;51745134]Asking Tudd to stop posting political shit is like asking a fish to breathe out of water. He just can't do it.[/QUOTE] At least the fish would make the effort.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51745302]It's not offensive, it's just, kinda shocking coming from someone like him. It's one thing being right leaning, it's another to be right leaning for meme reasons like "SJWs did a boo boo".[/QUOTE] If you look past some of the memery and the term itself they do bring up and discuss a valid point about a lack of rational discussion happening recently.

[QUOTE=yellowoboe;51746007]At least the fish would make the effort.[/QUOTE] I'm actually a frog, can breathe naturally both on land and water.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51746150]I'm actually a frog, can breathe naturally both on land and water.[/QUOTE] And you squat and screech when mom takes away the tendies.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51746138]If you look past some of the memery and the term itself they do bring up and discuss a valid point about a lack of rational discussion happening recently.[/QUOTE] Oh that part is obvious, both sides suffer from it and have been for as long as they've existed. The majority is simply unable to have a discussion. Civil discussions on things that go against your views are hard and require quite a bit of effort. And from what I've seen there is no actual solution. It will be an echo chamber and neither side will come to any agreement.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51746156]And you squat and screech when mom takes away the tendies.[/QUOTE] Tudd has been absurdly civil in all the arguments I've seen him in, which makes me wonder if he's actually a Ken M style ultratroll and he'll only reveal that he is when Trump dies of old age.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51746238]Oh that part is obvious, both sides suffer from it and have been for as long as they've existed. [B]The majority is simply unable to have a discussion[/B]. Civil discussions on things that go against your views are hard and require quite a bit of effort. And from what I've seen there is no actual solution. It will be an echo chamber and neither side will come to any agreement.[/QUOTE] You say that, but Jontron is not one of those people. [t]http://i.imgur.com/1m3OeOj.png[/t] Seriously, he get's mad props from me, he gave his opinion, took another opposite opinion into account and then looked into it further, eventually coming around to his friends opinion. (This was also the discussion where PBG came out of nowhere and started shitting the place up, however, Psychicpebbles sorted it out, got PBG to calm down and PBG rightfully said that perhaps discussing this complicated political shit over twitter of all things probably isn't the best course of action and that they should meet up and talk, all of them. They even all apologized to each other. [editline]edit[/editline] And I don't think he's really on any "side" he has some opinions of merit, some that sound like he hasn't really looked into it as much as he needs to and some that I disagree with, but that'll happen with everyone, but the people making shit up about him, putting words in his mouth and calling him every damning politically loaded thing under the sun is just not on. [editline]edit[/editline] [QUOTE=rndgenerator;51745302]It's not offensive, it's just, kinda shocking coming from someone like him. It's one thing being right leaning, it's another to be right leaning for meme reasons like "SJWs did a boo boo".[/QUOTE] But a lot of his opinions aren't really all that right leaning, he's very middle ground in his opinions, mostly leftish and to be frank, he has every reason to hate people who identify as "SJW's", they fucking lambaste the shit out of him for tons of things, make shit up to make him appear worse for it and call him everything under the sun for having moderate views and continue to do so, being an internet personality he has encountered them far more than any of us.

Just to clarify... There isn't actually any first-hand source for him making the claims that Tumblr screenshot says he made, is there? Was the creator just banking on people not listening to a 5-hour stream to figure out when he apparently said these ridiculous things?

[QUOTE=Ixius;51747064]Just to clarify... There isn't actually any first-hand source for him making the claims that Tumblr screenshot says he made, is there?[/QUOTE] I listened to all 5 hours, half of the list takes something he said and completely butchers his intention, wording it in the most malevolent way possible, and the other half is total bullshit.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51746156]And you squat and screech when mom takes away the tendies.[/QUOTE] See you got it!

Surprised no one has linked this, but psychicpebbles did a lil'podcast with Jon if anyone wants to listen to it in the background. [video=youtube;gjce2lOMhXs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjce2lOMhXs&t=0s[/video]

[QUOTE=X marks it;51756336]Surprised no one has linked this, but psychicpebbles did a lil'podcast with Jon if anyone wants to listen to it in the background. [video=youtube;gjce2lOMhXs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjce2lOMhXs&t=0s[/video][/QUOTE] I wonder since the video is 1/5 the length of the Sargon stream, if the tumblr SJWs will only make a list of hyperbolic accusations 1/5 as big, and hope you don't listen to all of this to see it never happened.

That bit with him and Zach talking about doing Starcade was both interesting and one of the funniest fucking things I've ever heard.

This whole twitter shit makes me glad that the only thing I use the platform for is to cheer on Mew2King and ask Leffen where he gets his jackets. I mean christ, if I want drama resulting from baseless arguments I would go to Sensationalist Headlines.