[QUOTE=gnome;38784326]I keep hearing that Dexter is supposed to be a "super-genius", but I don't really remember that ever being completely true. I thought he was always just exceptionally logical and methodical, not really hyper-intelligent. I'm not saying they haven't made him dumber, but being a blood spatter analyst and not getting caught as a serial killer doesn't mean you have a genius level intellect.[/QUOTE]
Rewatch S1. He's ultra-sharp and always, like, 10 steps ahead of everybody. He even takes the audience by surprise by how far ahead he is and we didn't even know - but not in a 'oh that's bullshit' kind of way, a way that retroactively makes sense. If constantly being ahead of literally everybody while also being a serial killer and also working for the police as a scientist doesn't make you some kind of super genius I don't know what does.
[QUOTE=gnome;38784326]I keep hearing that Dexter is supposed to be a "super-genius", but I don't really remember that ever being completely true. I thought he was always just exceptionally logical and methodical, not really hyper-intelligent. I'm not saying they haven't made him dumber, but being a blood spatter analyst and not getting caught as a serial killer doesn't mean you have a genius level intellect.[/QUOTE]
uh yes it does
[QUOTE=Rusty100;38785644]Rewatch S1. He's ultra-sharp and always, like, 10 steps ahead of everybody. He even takes the audience by surprise by how far ahead he is and we didn't even know - but not in a 'oh that's bullshit' kind of way, a way that retroactively makes sense. If constantly being ahead of literally everybody while also being a serial killer and also working for the police as a scientist doesn't make you some kind of super genius I don't know what does.[/QUOTE]
I just think you're limiting the perceived spectrum of intelligence when you just say "THAT GUY'S A GENIUS" every time someone is careful, skilled, and not dumb.
I get what you're saying but I think there's a difference between someone who knows what he's doing and someone who is a genius. Harry taught him just about everything he knows anyway, he gave him a code after all because it was supposed to be a foolproof way of keeping him from being caught.
[QUOTE=Sr.;38783590]The speculations are pissing you guys off, that's why I mentioned it.[/QUOTE]
That's seriously the best part about watching the show: trying to see ahead of the episodes and figure out what the writers have in store.
I think some of you guys are dismissing the [sp]Deb self-sabotage too easily. It's not hard to roll a car into a ditch while sober and OD on the anti-anxiety pills after. Hannah has been known for emotional kills, but she would never be so sloppy as to leave a traceable substance in an obvious spot. It could be a double bluff from either girl, but I'm siding with Hannah, the killer over Deb, the jealous cop.[/sp] Dexter is going to feel stupid when the truth is revealed later.
[B]Major speculation time[/B]: [sp]I wonder if Deb is planting some shoddy evidence(that won't hold up in court)to get Dexter arrested and to keep LaGuerta from finding something concrete. It might also serve as a double jeopardy thing if he's found guilty later on.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Scadilla;38787096]I think some of you guys are dismissing the [sp]Deb self-sabotage too easily. It's not hard to roll a car into a ditch while sober and OD on the anti-anxiety pills after.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]You can figure out when the pills was consumed if you know how much of it you have in your body and the half-life of it but it could be possible that she wasn't found for some time/wasn't aware of when it happened.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Scadilla;38787096]
[sp]Hannah has been known for emotional kills, but she would never be so sloppy as to leave a traceable substance in an obvious spot.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]The goal might have been to make it look like an accident (not letting the drugs get to her first). Although, I disagree, Hannah emotions could definitely play a part in her methods.[/sp]
[QUOTE=gnome;38786799]I just think you're limiting the perceived spectrum of intelligence when you just say "THAT GUY'S A GENIUS" every time someone is careful, skilled, and not dumb.
I get what you're saying but I think there's a difference between someone who knows what he's doing and someone who is a genius. Harry taught him just about everything he knows anyway, he gave him a code after all because it was supposed to be a foolproof way of keeping him from being caught.[/QUOTE]
He goes above and beyond 'knows what he's doing', he's killed like hundreds (?) of people and gotten away with it. That alone qualifies as genius level of knowing what you're doing. Let alone all the other shit he does.
[editline]11th December 2012[/editline]
I don't think a genius is just some dude who has a high iq and is good at math
[QUOTE=Rusty100;38787831]He goes above and beyond 'knows what he's doing', he's killed like hundreds (?) of people and gotten away with it. That alone qualifies as genius level of knowing what you're doing. Let alone all the other shit he does.
[editline]11th December 2012[/editline]
[B]I don't think a genius is just some dude who has a high iq and is good at math[/B][/QUOTE]
Well duh, that isn't a genius you described. It's a nerd.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;38787831]He goes above and beyond 'knows what he's doing', he's killed like hundreds (?) of people and gotten away with it. That alone qualifies as genius level of knowing what you're doing. Let alone all the other shit he does.
[editline]11th December 2012[/editline]
I don't think a genius is just some dude who has a high iq and is good at math[/QUOTE]
I don't think that either, but he's just using a working formula that's never been a problem for him until we get a season or two into the show. When things start going wrong for the first time in the show I'm pretty sure is the first time anything has ever gone wrong for him. One might say that it's not that intelligent to begin with to work in crime investigation and be a killer at the same time. Eventually you're going to end up investigating your own crime scenes.
I mean he basically takes his own personal time to investigate his chosen victims, makes sure that they meet his criteria and aren't under heavy watch by the police, and then he wraps a room in plastic and murders them in it. You don't really have to be a genius to do that, you just have to be a psychopath in the first place to pursue it.
except everything he's ever done in the whole 7 seasons, he has come out on top because he outsmarted everyone else. you have weird definitions of a genius
No, he came out on top because the writers wrote everything to fall into place conveniently for him. I'd like you to actually list for me one extremely genius thing he has pulled off (that you couldn't have figured out yourself), you might [i]actually[/i] refresh my memory if you're right because I didn't exactly review the entirety of seasons 1-2 during the span of this conversation.
Rusty, the thought of Dexter being caught is the thing that gives the show some suspense. It would be a pretty boring TV show if he was some perfect murderer that gets away absolutely clean every time. Literally everyone who watches the show has been waiting for moments like Deb finding out about him and such, so it would be a pretty big let down if it never actually happened in the duration of the whole show, and it wouldn't happen if he was the perfect no mistakes murderer you want him to be.
[QUOTE=PieClock;38788013]Rusty, the thought of Dexter being caught is the thing that gives the show some suspense. It would be a pretty boring TV show if he was some perfect murderer that gets away absolutely clean every time. Literally everyone who watches the show has been waiting for moments like Deb finding out about him and such, so it would be a pretty big let down if it never actually happened in the duration of the whole show, and it wouldn't happen if he was the perfect no mistakes murderer you want him to be.[/QUOTE]
No I'm saying he was just smarter in season 1, he was always going to slip up every now and again of course, but the fact he's gotten away with so much so far is still genius tier (not to mention he is very book smart, street smart, works for the police, murders).
[editline]12th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=gnome;38788001]No, he came out on top because the writers wrote everything to fall into place conveniently for him.[/QUOTE]
Um
I don't think you understand fiction
[editline]12th December 2012[/editline]
are you really saying he's not smart, because the writers wrote him to be smart
everything falls in place for him because he's always ahead of everyone
and he is written to be that way
by the writers
because it's fiction
he's a fictional genius
[editline]12th December 2012[/editline]
ofc hes a big dum dum now in season 7 and it doesn't make sense he hasn't been caught at this rate doing so many really dumb stuff
but season 1 was not like that
I want to go back and count how many times Dexter has escaped in that kind of circumstance. It's more than once per season, I guarantee it.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;38788059]No I'm saying he was just smarter in season 1, he was always going to slip up every now and again of course, but the fact he's gotten away with so much so far is still genius tier (not to mention he is very book smart, street smart, works for the police, murders).
[editline]12th December 2012[/editline]
Um
I don't think you understand fiction
[editline]12th December 2012[/editline]
are you really saying he's not smart, because the writers wrote him to be smart
everything falls in place for him because he's always ahead of everyone
and he is written to be that way
by the writers
because it's fiction
he's a fictional genius
[editline]12th December 2012[/editline]
ofc hes a big dum dum now in season 7 and it doesn't make sense he hasn't been caught at this rate doing so many really dumb stuff
but season 1 was not like that[/QUOTE]
It wasn't at all, he had a shit ton more common sense in that season. But I'm basically just arguing that he was a good killer because he's cold, emotionless, careful, methodical, efficient, and he was trained to do it since he was a kid. I'm not saying he's not smart at all, I'm saying he's depicted as being above average intelligence and being exceptionally skilled. He doesn't [i]need[/i] to be a genius to be successful in what he does because in the early seasons he completely separated his work and personal life. I just think that you're very generous with your inclusion of people that fall into the category of the word "genius", but that very clearly just clarifies that we have differently scaled definitions of the word.
But I'm done arguing about the intelligence rating of a fictional character, this does sound ridiculous.
Death penalty for Dexter in the finale PLEEEEEEEEEASE.
Maybe season 8 will turn into a courtroom show.
miami legal
[editline]12th December 2012[/editline]
alan shore could get dexter off
I would actually like it if Dexter ended with a trial where everyone [i]knows[/i] he's guilty but he goes free.
Guys I think I know why Dexter [sp]gets arrested[/sp]
[sp]I think LaGuerta will arrest him for withholding evidence from the McKay case in order to get him out of the way, allowing her to investigate without him tampering with evidence.[/sp]
Wow dexter is in deep, and [sp]Laguerta knows for certain Dex's the BHB, with Estrada out free, this season finale has alot going on[/sp]
[QUOTE=ababs362;38790428]Wow dexter is in deep, and [sp]Laguerta knows for certain Dex's the BHB, with Estrada out free, this season finale has alot going on[/sp][/QUOTE]
Will that hold in court though? Is it possible that he could get away (even though there's loads of "coincidences") if Estrada doesn't speak?
i'd hate to see dexter just sitting in jail at the end of season 8
Why wouldn't [sp]Estrada speak if he has a chance to put the guy who almost chainsaw'd him to bits in prison for life?[/sp]
Exactly, that's why I think Dexter's going to be [sp] scrambling to get to Estrada before Laguerta and Metro does[/sp]
Also, "Holy Shit you're Dickie Moser"
dexter will probably catch up to him first, he will know that LaGuerta will be straight onto finding Estrada to get a statement.
[QUOTE=PieClock;38791349]Why wouldn't [sp]Estrada speak if he has a chance to put the guy who almost chainsaw'd him to bits in prison for life?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Maybe he thought he would have to go back to jail for trying to do the deal with "Dexter" or that it could be revealed that his health wasn't so bad after all. Hell, maybe even LaGuerta will be in trouble because of the release or maybe he will try to save his own ass[/sp]
(Just spewing ideas, will most likely not happen)
[QUOTE=PieClock;38791349]Why wouldn't [sp]Estrada speak if he has a chance to put the guy who almost chainsaw'd him to bits in prison for life?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]He probably will, it could very easily be argued however from lack of substantial evidence that the whole thing is LaGuerta trying to set Dexter up, just a thought[/sp]
How is it easily argued?
[sp]He was in the container with Dexter, he basically told him what he was going to do and he left the stuff there (stuff the BHB would use). Hopefully the planted evidence against Doakes does its thing though.[/sp]
whacky speculation!
[sp]In the preview it shows Dexter going through a house with his latex gloves. He finds a warrant for his arrest printed out and looks up at the camera. There's a cross on the wall in the background so I can only assume Dexter broke into Leguarta's house.
Now Dexter knows that as soon as a Judge approves Leguartas warrant he will be arrested. And once hes arrested, Miami metro will be able to track down and investigate Hector.
Killing Leguarta would be risky and her disappearance would obviously point to Dexter being the real BHB.
Dexter has to rush to clean up loose ends before its too late.
Dexter wonders if keeping Hannah alive was a mistake. He goes to visit her in jail. Hannah agrees to not say anything. But in return, Hannah asks him to bring her the extract of the poison flower so she can kill herself. He brings it to her and they kiss one last time.
She then takes the poison and she dies sometime later.
In order to find Hector, Deb goes through Laguerta office to find her contact information about Hector. She tells Hector that she wants to meet him to find out about what happened that night on the docks.
Dexter goes to the meeting place and kidnaps Hector.
Laguerta's warrant goes through. Dexters house is surrounded by police.
Dexter takes Hector back to the docks in order to kill him. Deb calls Dexter saying its too risky and that the police are closing in on him. He reluctantly leaves Hector alive.
Dexter goes to the police claiming innocence.
Dexter contemplates turning himself in to avoid putting Deb in any more danger.
Deb goes to finish Hector off before he is found.
Deb either kills, or is seconds away from killing Hector before police arrest her.
Leguerta had police officers following deb because of the suspension of her being Dexters accomplice.
Season ends with both Morgans arrested.[/sp]
Second half of this page looks like a fucking SCP article.
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