If your son/daughter were to get a sex change, would you think of them any differently? - General

My kids can be dolphins if they want, as long as they can get it on the NHS.

disown em

[QUOTE=Android phone;27901498]you still haven't replied to my other analogies should furries get their bodies modified because they feel like some fucked up human-animal hybrid? should redheads get their old hair destroyed and get new, synthetic hair transplants because they're dissatisfied with their hair color? should people cling to cultures they will always be naturally excluded from? [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] your brain still isn't fully matured by 18, you do stupid-as-hell shit well into your 30s before the "wait no that idea was fucking dumb" part is finished[/QUOTE] If the furry really desires it and it makes him/her feel right, of course they should. After counselling to make sure the change WILL make them feel right. Though I doubt they feel like a fucked up hybrid. That's how you see them, not they themself. If a redhead gets depressed with her hair colour and transplants make her happy again? Yes. Again, after counselling to make sure it is the hair colour and not a different reason. As to being excluded from a society, simply moving won't do much, but embracing the new culture will finally get the German included. (By the way, I am German. Not that it has anything to do with this argumentation.) About maturity, I know more than enough people who are well in their 40's and still behave like 3 year old.

[QUOTE=Mane;27901548]What sort of procedures lead to fucked up human-animal hybrids? I would need to read about this before offering my opinion. [/QUOTE] there aren't any that lead to actual hybrids, that's my point, there are no operations that lead to actual gender swaps, just lookalike parts because the person wasn't happy with what they had like those people that get their ears elongated and pointed because they think they're elves or people who get their teeth sharpened because they think they're vampires, if you continue to argue the furry analogy please include these two [QUOTE=Mane;27901548]If that's what they want to do, they are welcome to do that. Hair transplants aren't something new. [/QUOTE] hair transplants aren't done out of what the person fancies they should be either, typically they're done because the person is balding or something actually important beyond "well they didn't like it so they decided to change it out" I can understand changing someone's gender if something horribly bad happens like they get in some kind of accident where their dick falls off or something or they're a hermaphrodite but changing it just because you wouldn't like it as much as the other is just incredibly dumb [QUOTE=Mane;27901548]How can someone be naturally excluded from a man-made construct?[/QUOTE] jewish culture runs through blood, the whole nose stereotype is actually a genetic thing some regions of asia have asians with eyes that curl one way, other regions (and other cultures) have asians with eyes that curl another way, I'm not just talking about french-to-canadian but stuff that you actually physically lack, like longer legs (like a kenyan) or a vagina [QUOTE=Mane;27901548]You seem to have a remarkable lack of empathy and understanding for humanity; for many of these cases, there is no absolute "should" condition.[/QUOTE] lack of empathy, yes; understanding, eh as long as we're going with academic understanding I admit I'm not an expert on it but if we're talking about emotional understanding please go back and look at my picture of neil armstrong

[QUOTE=Android phone;27901702]there aren't any that lead to actual hybrids, that's my point, there are no operations that lead to actual gender swaps, just lookalike parts because the person wasn't happy with what they had like those people that get their ears elongated and pointed because they think they're elves or people who get their teeth sharpened because they think they're vampires, if you continue to argue the furry analogy please include these two hair transplants aren't done out of what the person fancies they should be either, typically they're done because the person is balding or something actually important beyond "well they didn't like it so they decided to change it out" I can understand changing someone's gender if something horribly bad happens like they get in some kind of accident where their dick falls off or something or they're a hermaphrodite but changing it just because you wouldn't like it as much as the other is just incredibly dumb jewish culture runs through blood, the whole nose stereotype is actually a genetic thing some regions of asia have asians with eyes that curl one way, other regions (and other cultures) have asians with eyes that curl another way, I'm not just talking about french-to-canadian but stuff that you actually physically lack, like longer legs (like a kenyan) or a vagina lack of empathy, yes; understanding, eh as long as we're going with academic understanding I admit I'm not an expert on it but if we're talking about emotional understanding please go back and look at my picture of neil armstrong[/QUOTE] Now you are taking culture for genetics. As for the hair transplants, why should a balding person get hair transplants then? Balding out is natural, isn't it? You are countering your own argumentation.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27901702]there aren't any that lead to actual hybrids, that's my point, there are no operations that lead to actual gender swaps, just lookalike parts because the person wasn't happy with what they had[/quote] This is what I mean by the whole lack of empathy thing. The success and effectiveness of *their* treatment is entirely based on *their* feelings about it. [quote]like those people that get their ears elongated and pointed because they think they're elves or people who get their teeth sharpened because they think they're vampires, if you continue to argue the furry analogy please include these two[/quote] I am saddened by your underestimation in my belief for personal freedom and dignity. [quote]hair transplants aren't done out of what the person fancies they should be either, typically they're done because the person is balding or something actually important beyond "well they didn't like it so they decided to change it out"[/quote] Err, why do you think people who are balding get hair transplants? "It's because they don't like it so they decided to change it out." You're agreeing with me here. [quote]I can understand changing someone's gender if something horribly bad happens like they get in some kind of accident where their dick falls off or something or they're a hermaphrodite but changing it just because you wouldn't like it as much as the other is just incredibly dumb[/quote] Again with the lack of empathy and understanding; you're trivializing (and speaking from a completely uninformed perspective about) the devastating emotional and psychological impact of gender identity disorder. GID does not manifest itself like you not liking eating a certain kind of food. It's not merely "I wouldn't like it as much as the other". It's actually very much aligned with them feeling like their penis or vagina, along with the rest of their body, is missing or abnormal. It's a large part of why transgendered people are far more likely to commit suicide than straight people or even gay people. [quote]jewish culture runs through blood, the whole nose stereotype is actually a genetic thing some regions of asia have asians with eyes that curl one way, other regions (and other cultures) have asians with eyes that curl another way, I'm not just talking about french-to-canadian but stuff that you actually physically lack, like longer legs (like a kenyan) or a vagina[/quote] If you have sourced research of this "cryptoracial identity disorder", I'd love to see them. Why do you argue on bad faith anyway?

[QUOTE=Darkon Ta Dra;27901815]Now you are taking culture for genetics. As for the hair transplants, why should a balding person get hair transplants then? Balding out is natural, isn't it? You are countering your own argumentation.[/QUOTE] balding is a natural defect, it could be because of genetics or because the person has cancer it's not the same as being dissatisfied with a weiner so you go get a vagina instead

[QUOTE=Android phone;27901880]balding is a natural defect, it could be because of genetics or because the person has cancer it's not the same as being dissatisfied with a weiner so you go get a vagina instead[/QUOTE] You're trivializing again. Why do you keep doing that?

[QUOTE=Mane;27901904]You're trivializing again. Why do you keep doing that?[/QUOTE] what exactly do you mean by trivializing and arguing in bad faith it seems like every time you can't be assed to actually reply to a statement you just say one or the other

[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;27864674]I think you don't have ANY understanding of what transsexualism is.[/QUOTE] Nah, I do know a bit about transsexualism. My previous post in this thread is just a dumb ass post fueled by my own desire to be a sexy woman.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27901918]what exactly do you mean by trivializing[/quote] This is trivializing: [quote]it's not the same as being dissatisfied with a weiner so you go get a vagina instead[/quote] [quote]and arguing in bad faith[/quote] Arguing in bad faith covers a wide variety of practices; trivializing serious issues is one of them. The same goes for ad hominem attacks. [quote]it seems like every time you can't be assed to actually reply to a statement you just say one or the other[/QUOTE] Check above for my full reply.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27901880]balding is a natural defect, it could be because of genetics or because the person has cancer it's not the same as being dissatisfied with a weiner so you go get a vagina instead[/QUOTE] But transsexuality is also a natural defect. Be it genetical, neurological or endocrinological. It's not that one just gets up one day and says, hey, I want to be a girl. It is not a spur of the moment decision. It is a process. That goes over years and even decades. Almost always starting in pre puberty.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27901880]balding is a natural defect, it could be because of genetics or [B]because the person has cancer[/B] it's not the same as being dissatisfied with a weiner so you go get a vagina instead[/QUOTE] what

To the "German man not wanting to be German" analogy, it doesn't work because your culture and sense of belonging to a specific nation are environmental factors that you only really understand once you get to the age of about 6 or 7. Transgenderism (is that the spelling?) is where the brain develops differently in utero. aka nature/nurture

I have no fucking clue how i would react. I do know i'd be confused.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27901918]what exactly do you mean by trivializing and arguing in bad faith it seems like every time you can't be assed to actually reply to a statement you just say one or the other[/QUOTE] I think what he means by trivializing is that when you describe what a transgender person feels when they realize they are transgender, you portray it as if they are saying, "Yeah I wouldn't mind having a penis, but you know, I don't really care, but if I'm bored one day I might decide to go for it." when it is a far more complex thought process than that. You simplify it down to something that seems really trivial and not well thought out, hence trivialized.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;27903915]I think what he means by trivializing is that when you describe what a transgender person feels when they realize they are transgender, you portray it as if they are saying, "Yeah I wouldn't mind having a penis, but you know, I don't really care, but if I'm bored one day I might decide to go for it." when it is a far more complex thought process than that. You simplify it down to something that seems really trivial and not well thought out, hence trivialized.[/QUOTE] Bingo. It's also really disrespectful and ignorant. "Slavery wasnt that bad lol them blacks got some food and housing for free!"

[QUOTE=Android phone;27901155]my mind tells me I'm a furry and you're all just going to have to deal with it :downs:[/quote] Yeah, we will. [QUOTE=Android phone;27901155]weird, right?[/QUOTE] No it's extraordinarily common if facepunch is any indication

I'm surprised this is still going...

Nobody seems to respond to any of my valid points earlier, they only respond to android_phone [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] [quote]Something I have been wondering is this: There is a disorder called "body integrity disorder". Essentially, someone is dissatisfied with, say, an arm, and decides they want it off. If I'm a doctor and someone comes up to me and they NEED to have their arm cut off, and I see nothing wrong with the arm, I don't respond by doing so. I don't initiate months of consultations to see "is this what you REALLY want?" I attempt to talk them out of it. But if a 40-year-old man with kids comes to me, and says "I want to be a woman", I know that it would be difficult to actually make them into something that wouldn't be stared at in the street. Furthermore, if he's a 40-year-old man with a wife and kids, it would be better for the wife, the kids, and the man if he could be happy with what he is. Why do we treat it differently? In before I just said something stupid and now i'm going to see hell for it [/quote]

[QUOTE=Android phone;27901918]what exactly do you mean by trivializing and arguing in bad faith it seems like every time you can't be assed to actually reply to a statement you just say one or the other[/QUOTE] :vd:

this fits: [url]http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/2009/07/born-a-male/[/url]

I would think they're fucking weird, but I'd love em no matter what.

I wouldn't support it. Not because I have something against gay people, but because I see changing your gender as a pussy move (no pun intended). I would want to raise children who are strong and know how to deal with life, not little wimps who cop out of a situation.

[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;27908827]I wouldn't support it. Not because I have something against gay people, but because I see changing your gender as a pussy move (no pun intended). I would want to raise children who are strong and know how to deal with life, not little wimps who cop out of a situation.[/QUOTE] How old are you?

[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;27908827]I wouldn't support it. Not because I have something against gay people, but because I see changing your gender as a pussy move (no pun intended). I would want to raise children who are strong and know how to deal with life, not little wimps who cop out of a situation.[/QUOTE] Why would they HAVE to learn to "deal with it" if there is a way they can get to where they want to be physically?

Of course I would think of them differently, but not negatively if thats what you mean. I wouldn't say "hi son" to my daughter and vice versa.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;27909117]Why would they HAVE to learn to "deal with it" if there is a way they can get to where they want to be physically?[/QUOTE] Apparently nobody can think of a reply to my argument so Why should people with body integrity identity disorder learn to "deal with it" when they can have their arm cut off?

would be slightly strange,but i would still respect them and treat them normally,afterall its their choice

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;27910244]Apparently nobody can think of a reply to my argument so Why should people with body integrity identity disorder learn to "deal with it" when they can have their arm cut off?[/QUOTE] Are you saying that the person just feels like they shouldn't have an arm? Is the arm diseased? Also, how is cutting off an arm comparable to years of hormone treatment and a lengthy process to get approved for gender reassignment surgery?