If your son/daughter were to get a sex change, would you think of them any differently? - General

I wouldn't think my of child as sane if he cut off his dick and pretended to be a woman.

I don't really understand the idea of sex changes. I can't say I'd be very supportive but I wouldn't stop them or kick them out or anything like that. It's more just that... it can cause a lot more problems then it solves. Seems very impractical to be swapping parts.

I wouldn't, they'd still be my child. Of course if they'd ask me before I would try to consult with them first because I would really want to know what's going on. But if they really wanted to I'd be alright with it. Personally though, my cousin was almost disowned by her parents for being gay, but we consulted with them and it turned out alright in the end. (Which is really weird since we all live(d) in the west hollywood area, which is full of gay, weird, and strange tourists/people)

[QUOTE=Android phone;27881305] how can you say "I KNOW I WAS BORN GAY IT JUST HAS TO BE THE TRUTH" but not "I KNOW GOD EXISTS I JUST DO"[/QUOTE] Your comparing a story book character who requires faith to exist with a biochemical balance difference in the brain. One thing actually has physical properties to explain it, is this really that hard for you to grasp? Some people are just BORN WITH DIFFERENT FEELINGS. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT. Sexuality =/= Black and White.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27881305]how is it proof see, homosexuality [i]might[/i] be a defect, but after all these years of that debate I haven't seen one single reliable source that even suggests it is why does the "prove it" argument apply to religion but not homosexuality [editline]5th February 2011[/editline] how can you say "I KNOW I WAS BORN GAY IT JUST HAS TO BE THE TRUTH" but not "I KNOW GOD EXISTS I JUST DO"[/QUOTE] If you insist: [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955753[/url] [quote]A number of sections of the brain have been reported to be sexually dimorphic; that is, they vary between men and women. There have also been reports of variations in brain structure corresponding to sexual orientation. In 1990, Swaab and Hofman reported a difference in the size of the suprachiasmatic nucleus between homosexual and heterosexual men.[26] In 1992, Allen and Gorski reported a difference related to sexual orientation in the size of the anterior commissure.[27] Early work of this type was also done by Simon LeVay. LeVay studied four groups of neurons in the hypothalamus, called INAH1, INAH2, INAH3 and INAH4. This was a relevant area of the brain to study, because of evidence that this part of the brain played a role in the regulation of sexual behaviour in animals, and because INAH2 and INAH3 had previously been reported to differ in size between men and women.[28] He obtained brains from 41 deceased hospital patients. The subjects were classified as follows: 19 gay men who had died of AIDS, 16 presumed heterosexual men (6 of whom had died of AIDS), and 6 presumed heterosexual women (1 of whom had died of AIDS).[28] The AIDS patients in the heterosexual groups were all identified from medical records as intravenous drug abusers or recipients of blood transfusions, though only 2 of the men in this category had specifically denied homosexual activity. The records of the remaining heterosexual subjects contained no information about their sexual orientation; they were assumed to have been mostly or all heterosexual "on the basis of the numerical preponderance of heterosexual men in the population."[28] LeVay found no evidence for a difference between the groups in the size of INAH1, INAH2 or INAH4. However, the INAH3 group appeared to be twice as big in the heterosexual male group as in the gay male group; the difference was highly significant, and remained significant when only the 6 AIDS patients were included in the heterosexual group. The size of the INAH3 in the homosexual male brains was similar to that in the heterosexual female brains. William Byne and colleagues attempted to replicate the differences reported in INAH 1–4 size using a different sample of brains from 14 HIV-positive homosexual males, 34 presumed heterosexual males (10 HIV-positive), and 34 presumed heterosexual females (9 HIV-positive). They found a significant difference in INAH3 size between heterosexual men and women. The INAH3 size of the homosexual men was apparently smaller than that of the heterosexual men and larger than that of the heterosexual women, though neither difference quite reached statistical significance.[29] Byne and colleagues also weighed and counted numbers of neurons in INAH3, tests not carried out by LeVay. The results for INAH3 weight were similar to those for INAH3 size; that is, the INAH3 weight for the heterosexual male brains was significantly larger than for the heterosexual female brains, while the results for the gay male group were between those of the other two groups but not quite significantly different from either. The neuron count also found a male-female difference in INAH3, but found no trend related to sexual orientation.[29] A 2010 study stated: "The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation."[30][/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation[/url]

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;27881403]Your comparing a story book character who requires faith to exist with a biochemical balance difference in the brain. One thing actually has physical properties to explain it, is this really that hard for you to grasp? Some people are just BORN WITH DIFFERENT FEELINGS. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT. Sexuality =/= Black and White.[/QUOTE] you're forgetting the part where nobody's found the chemical imbalances after years and years name one mammal that has actual truly gay tendencies (and it isn't just male dominance shit like cats)

[QUOTE=Android phone;27881441]you're forgetting the part where nobody's found the chemical imbalances after years and years name one mammal that has actual truly gay tendencies (and it isn't just male dominance shit like cats)[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior[/url]

it's pretty fucked up, but if I had a kid and he/she did it, I wouldn't love them any less.

They can keep crossdressing on my money but if they want surgery or whatever they'll be paying for it. Also, why the fuck is this a thread. Why would you think of this as an idea for a thread. Is there something OP wants to say?

[QUOTE={ABK}AbbySciuto;27881549]They can keep crossdressing on my money but if they want surgery or whatever they'll be paying for it. Also, why the fuck is this a thread. Why would you think of this as an idea for a thread. Is there something OP wants to say?[/QUOTE] Lol ofcourse, he wants to get a sex change and wonders what his parents will think of it. I thought that was obvious and didn't feel the need to post it.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27881441]:downswords:[/QUOTE] take your bigoted ideals somewhere else, please.

[QUOTE=nekosune;27881462][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior[/url][/QUOTE] 1. I find it incredibly disturbing you knew about that page 2. afaik all of those (besides humans) are dominance ritual shit like I said before, animals don't have all the emotional feelings humans do

[QUOTE=Android phone;27881628]1. I find it incredibly disturbing you knew about that page 2. afaik all of those (besides humans) are dominance ritual shit like I said before, animals don't have all the emotional feelings humans do[/QUOTE] I did a simple google search, "gay animal" the kind of thing you obviously did not bother to do. 2. Nice to see how you just dismiss any evidence against what you want. [editline]5th February 2011[/editline] [img]http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/188161/Lesson865.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=killz2much;27870865]Why do you have to fucking constantly throw that around when it is irrelevant to the topic? You make us queers look like attention whoring idiots. Stop it.[/QUOTE] Saying that you're gay is relevant in a LGBT-related topic so shut up Kind of like how you'd mention your condition in a thread about mental retardation

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals#Mammals[/url] note the Bison, Courtship occurs, meaning it is not dominance ritual. And Bonobo's And Giraffe's. In fact a lot seem to actually do so with courting going on beforehand.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27881441]you're forgetting the part where nobody's found the chemical imbalances after years and years[/QUOTE] uh yes we have [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;27881804]Kind of like how you'd mention your condition in a thread about mental retardation[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=nekosune;27881659][img_thumb]http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/188161/Lesson865.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] don't sink to his level [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=nekosune;27881808][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals#Mammals[/url] note the Bison, Courtship occurs, meaning it is not dominance ritual. And Bonobo's And Giraffe's. In fact a lot seem to actually do so with courting going on beforehand.[/QUOTE] don't forget penguins (yes I know they're birds)

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;27881823]uh yes we have [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] don't sink to his level [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] don't forget penguins (yes I know they're birds)[/QUOTE] Your right, will snip that.

[QUOTE=nekosune;27881861]You're right, will snip that.[/QUOTE] no I meant zeke using ad hominem

And I know about penguins, but he said about mammals, and if I had mentioned them, he would have tried to use that to distract. [editline]6th February 2011[/editline] oh ok, will unsnip

I'd think of them as my son instead of my daughter or vice versa. I don't subscribe to an archaic belief system that says that people being themselves is horrible and wrong

Roll again, if you know what I'm getting at.

On a slightly related point, does anyone else use informative when a post they rated agree, is edited to something no longer agree with?

TBH, I would think of them differently, but not negatively.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27881305]how is it proof see, homosexuality [i]might[/i] be a defect, but after all these years of that debate I haven't seen one single reliable source that even suggests it is why does the "prove it" argument apply to religion but not homosexuality [editline]5th February 2011[/editline] how can you say "I KNOW I WAS BORN GAY IT JUST HAS TO BE THE TRUTH" but not "I KNOW GOD EXISTS I JUST DO"[/QUOTE] Why do you have to prove your religion? I certainly don't. I know what I believe in. And I know it's the right thing for me. Why not applying the same thing to other topics? If someone knows it's the right thing for him/her. As long as it doesn't harm others, why not simply let them do it? Of course I'm not saying my religion is better than yours. That might be proof worthy. But then again, I'm not saying being gay/transgender/hetero/painted yellow is better than what others are. That would be proof worthy as well. Like Frederic the great once said. Everyone in his own fashion. Oh and to come to the point. I would respect my childs decision and support him/her in any way I could. It would certainly take me a few moments or a few days to adapt to the new situation. But I wouldn't react negatively. After a while, routine sets in and everything becomes normal.

I wouldn't have though any different of him/her at all I would say. Sure, it would have been unusal seeing him/her wearing unusual clothing and beeing shaped differently, but I think I would have adapted pretty quickly. Also, I must say there are a good bunch of homophobic and xenophobic people in this thread. To them I say: there is nothing to be affraid off. Seek out an phsychologist and try to cope with your phobia.

Anyone would think differently of the child if they did have the operation, but I wouldn't think against it. It's their life, let them live it however they want.

The world would be nicer if everyone could just be happy with what they've been given. Maybe there are people who can't help being discontent, but it'd just be easier if this weren't so.

[QUOTE=snake eye;27861310]It would be awkward, but I like to think I could accept that if it made them happier I'd adjust to it for their sake. No doubt it would be bloody weird for a long while though. I would think of them differently, but not in a sense I'd begrudge them for doing what they wanted.[/QUOTE] same here

So far I have only known one person to go all the way with a sex change, and though a little strange I eventually got used to it. One thing I found especially irritating though: I call EVERYONE a "dude". Men and women, no exceptions. When I called this girl (was a guy) "dude" she always took it personally, despite my repeated explanation as to why I do what I do. Though I understand the sensitivity, it was very annoying, and I'm not about to change my entire mannerism because one person is offended. It's like someone getting butthurt when they sneeze and you say "bless you". Shit, I'm an atheist, it's just a stupid habit for me, no need to go all bible-burning on me. This is a strange debate though. Being born gay or not is understandably confusing: the signs are invisible and often conflicting. But you can't exactly miss a penis.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;27872945]because gays and transgenders face similar discrimination from society, you tool[/QUOTE] you don't have to face discrimination to be tolerant of others you DUMB IDIOT.