• SOPA Debate Livestream - The fate of the internet will be decided NOW.
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They're really asking to get raped with this bill... Sounds like... [B]They're dropping the SOPA[/B]
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;33806927]Ms. Lofgren posted this on her FB:[/QUOTE] Hey can I be one of these newfangled "me-mes" too?
So, anyone know the new date? This is good, because my lube hadn't arrived yet. Should be less painful now.
[QUOTE=Reds;33820634]So, anyone know the new date? This is good, because my lube hadn't arrived yet. Should be less painful now.[/QUOTE] Uh... you're australian.
[QUOTE=Scarabix;33820653]Uh... you're australian.[/QUOTE] You realize how many services you use that are american, right? Youtube, facebook, viemo, megaupload, etc. Not to mention the fact that anything with a .com domain can be confiscated.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;33820688]You realize how many services you use that are american, right? Youtube, facebook, viemo, megaupload, etc. Not to mention the fact that anything with a .com domain can be confiscated.[/QUOTE] Sure, sure. If anything hosted on these sites are worth anything, there's something called reuploading.
[QUOTE=Scarabix;33821132]Sure, sure. If anything hosted on these sites are worth anything, there's something called reuploading.[/QUOTE] Millions of videos, pictures, and more will be permanently lost.
[QUOTE=Scarabix;33821132]Sure, sure. If anything hosted on these sites are worth anything, there's something called reuploading.[/QUOTE] Gotta agree with Mr. Smartass here.
Here's a thought I've been going over in my head for last few days. It's far from air tight, but just hear me out, eh? I think there are two conflicting issues when it comes to torrenting. One is that torrenting results in a loss of income for content producers because it makes their work compete with the pirated version of their work. The other is that content is getting harder and harder to archive and protect for future generations. How is that relevant you ask? Well my lovelies, let me explain. What is BitTorrent exactly? Not "what do people use BitTorrent for", but "what is BitTorrent". I think everyone seems to automatically associate it with pirating(cue linux distros joke), but I don't think that that's all that it accomplishes. Let me give you an example of what I mean. We all know that George Lucas is a fat, greedy, stupid, childish, incompetent, goiter necked asshole who won't release the original version of Star Wars. All we have are the VHS's. So, if you want to see what it was like before he went and added in stupid CGI crap and Greedo shooting first and all that bullshit, you have to get the VHS set off of eBay. What this means by extension is that everyone who wants to watch the original Star Wars needs a VHS player. This also means that the number of copies of the original series is limited and will eventually run thin when the tapes get wrecked and overplayed. What does BitTorrent have to do with this you might ask? It's simple. For one, it has a large community of people willing to take those VHS's and turn them into files that can be played by any modern computer, making them easier to run. It also, and this is the important part, distributes that file to numerous computers all over the world, which are each individually capable of automatically copying that file to other computers. That means that, theoretically, even if Star Wars is never rereleased, it will always exist in it's greatest available quality, for anybody to watch, on any machine. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not blind to the monetary dilemmas inherent in that system. But just think for a moment. How many movies have we lost up until now because they were uncared for and ignored by those who had access to them? Do you know how depressingly few movies have survived 90 years? It's a sorry percentage, trust me. But the ones that did survive were the ones that were cared for and protected. BitTorrent and it's community, hell, the internet in general do this nigh [I]automatically.[/I] BitTorrent does something unique. It makes information near invulnerable. Even if that capability is commonly used for getting the latest installment of Black Monster Dicks.
Happy VPN day. But seriously, I'm staying german-to-the-world if this passes; even though I'm not American.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;33821810]Here's a thought I've been going over in my head for last few days. It's far from air tight, but just hear me out, eh? I think there are two conflicting issues when it comes to torrenting. One is that torrenting results in a loss of income for content producers because it makes their work compete with the pirated version of their work. The other is that content is getting harder and harder to archive and protect for future generations. How is that relevant you ask? Well my lovelies, let me explain. What is BitTorrent exactly? Not "what do people use BitTorrent for", but "what is BitTorrent". I think everyone seems to automatically associate it with pirating(cue linux distros joke), but I don't think that that's all that it accomplishes. Let me give you an example of what I mean. We all know that George Lucas is a fat, greedy, stupid, childish, incompetent, goiter necked asshole who won't release the original version of Star Wars. All we have are the VHS's. So, if you want to see what it was like before he went and added in stupid CGI crap and Greedo shooting first and all that bullshit, you have to get the VHS set off of eBay. What this means by extension is that everyone who wants to watch the original Star Wars needs a VHS player. This also means that the number of copies of the original series is limited and will eventually run thin when the tapes get wrecked and overplayed. What does BitTorrent have to do with this you might ask? It's simple. For one, it has a large community of people willing to take those VHS's and turn them into files that can be played by any modern computer, making them easier to run. It also, and this is the important part, distributes that file to numerous computers all over the world, which are each individually capable of automatically copying that file to other computers. That means that, theoretically, even if Star Wars is never rereleased, it will always exist in it's greatest available quality, for anybody to watch, on any machine. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not blind to the monetary dilemmas inherent in that system. But just think for a moment. How many movies have we lost up until now because they were uncared for and ignored by those who had access to them? Do you know how depressingly few movies have survived 90 years? It's a sorry percentage, trust me. But the ones that did survive were the ones that were cared for and protected. BitTorrent and it's community, hell, the internet in general do this nigh [I]automatically.[/I] BitTorrent does something unique. It makes information near invulnerable. Even if that capability is commonly used for getting the latest installment of Black Monster Dicks.[/QUOTE] While you make a good point, there's really no use defending file sharing sites in this case. It's pretty evident that the bill is about general power over the mass amount of free media on the internet rather than stopping pirating. (I'd like to note that by free I don't just mean that it can be acquired without cost)
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;33821810]What is BitTorrent exactly? [/QUOTE] Bittorrent is a program used to download files from a P2P(peer to peer) filesharing network. The files are called torrents. Don't confuse the word torrent with the words illegal filesharing. I think some dude actually wanted to ban "torrents", as in the filesharing protocol because of this. Which would make no sense since it's a brilliant way to download stuff. I'm just scared some old shit in the government will read stuff like this on the net and assume torrenting is inherently evil and try to ban it. Just saying, the rest of your post was good and agreeable
Isn't the hearing continuing today?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;33829026]Isn't the hearing continuing today?[/QUOTE] Nope, they're sneaky bastards.
In Hungary, the Government has raised the price of every single tobacco from 2 dollars to 4.5 dollars. They also raised the price of every single product which contains sugar(energy drinks, chips). I thought it's the worst bill I ever saw, but now I feel lucky that Hungary doesn't care about internet piracy.
Was it not passed or will they discuss it further?
Wait, so its not today? When is it?
[url=https://torrentfreak.com/riaa-someone-else-is-pirating-through-out-ip-addresses-111221/]RIAA says it wasn't them pirating things, it was 'someone else pirating through RIAA IPs'[/url] Suuuuuure. [in response to [url=https://torrentfreak.com/riaa-and-homeland-security-caught-downloading-torrents-111217/]this news story[/url]]
[QUOTE=Scarabix;33820653]Uh... you're australian.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Scarabix;33821132]Sure, sure. If anything hosted on these sites are worth anything, there's something called reuploading.[/QUOTE] Just, wow.
I'm Australian so the fact that this would affect lots of sites I use regularly doesn't matter in the slightest .
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;33821810]Here's a thought I've been going over in my head for last few days. It's far from air tight, but just hear me out, eh? I think there are two conflicting issues when it comes to torrenting. One is that torrenting results in a loss of income for content producers because it makes their work compete with the pirated version of their work. The other is that content is getting harder and harder to archive and protect for future generations. How is that relevant you ask? Well my lovelies, let me explain. What is BitTorrent exactly? Not "what do people use BitTorrent for", but "what is BitTorrent". I think everyone seems to automatically associate it with pirating(cue linux distros joke), but I don't think that that's all that it accomplishes. Let me give you an example of what I mean. We all know that George Lucas is a fat, greedy, stupid, childish, incompetent, goiter necked asshole who won't release the original version of Star Wars. All we have are the VHS's. So, if you want to see what it was like before he went and added in stupid CGI crap and Greedo shooting first and all that bullshit, you have to get the VHS set off of eBay. What this means by extension is that everyone who wants to watch the original Star Wars needs a VHS player. This also means that the number of copies of the original series is limited and will eventually run thin when the tapes get wrecked and overplayed. What does BitTorrent have to do with this you might ask? It's simple. For one, it has a large community of people willing to take those VHS's and turn them into files that can be played by any modern computer, making them easier to run. It also, and this is the important part, distributes that file to numerous computers all over the world, which are each individually capable of automatically copying that file to other computers. That means that, theoretically, even if Star Wars is never rereleased, it will always exist in it's greatest available quality, for anybody to watch, on any machine. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not blind to the monetary dilemmas inherent in that system. But just think for a moment. How many movies have we lost up until now because they were uncared for and ignored by those who had access to them? Do you know how depressingly few movies have survived 90 years? It's a sorry percentage, trust me. But the ones that did survive were the ones that were cared for and protected. BitTorrent and it's community, hell, the internet in general do this nigh [I]automatically.[/I] BitTorrent does something unique. It makes information near invulnerable. Even if that capability is commonly used for getting the latest installment of Black Monster Dicks.[/QUOTE] That's the whole point though. The intents of the assholes pushing this bill is to restrict accessible information and to continue dumbing people down so that they can stay in their positions of power until they're dead.
[QUOTE=commandhat;33837235] Suuuuuure. [/QUOTE] The exact response the RIAA had when the regular people they slapped with multimillion dollar fines for downloading songs claimed that same defense.
How about we release a bill that doesn't let our government fuck with the internet.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;33821363]Millions of videos, pictures, and more will be permanently lost.[/QUOTE] Think optimistic. If no one made backups of these videos, then we won't miss them. If however, backups of these videos and pictures were made, that means people really care and that means they will be reuploaded. You have no idea how many parts of the internet have been left unused and how much space is wasted by youtube videos from 2008 with 3 viewers. Be optimistic, see it as a purge.
So, assuming this does pass and isn't vetoed, will sites such as YouTube and Facepunch move their servers somewhere else? And if that is possible, will there be any further problems after that (other than Americans being unable to access the sites)?
[QUOTE=Baldr 2.0;33807025]Be a meme? She should get a fucking medal.[/QUOTE] Isn't she like one the few against SOPA? Or at least it's current form?
The very companies that sue you for filesharing invested in programs such as bittorrent, kaZaa, and limewire. This video has all of the proof, spread this video and stop SOPA [video=youtube;Fb-_p2q90PA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb-_p2q90PA[/video]
[QUOTE=bluesky;33849938]The very companies that sue you for filesharing invested in programs such as bittorrent, kaZaa, and limewire. This video has all of the proof, spread this video and stop SOPA [video=youtube;Fb-_p2q90PA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb-_p2q90PA[/video][/QUOTE] Oh my fuck.
Dear me, spread that like herpes! If I had facebook I would post it.. facebookers.. post it!
[url="http://www.sopa.org.uk/"]SCOTTISH ORGANIC PRODUCERS ASSOCIATION[/url] ?
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