I like how subtle Seed Eater was by listing the forums known Fascists.
[QUOTE=Solomon;40882708]This actually doesn't sound so bad.[/QUOTE]
What could you possibly find attractive about a Facist state?
Facism destroyed Chile, it may have somewhat salvaged the shitty economy, but the militarized police were allowed to treat people like criminals and cattle.
I've got 3 uncles who are still missing from Pinochet's facist coup, and they're all presumed dead
Isn't Dain a fascist?
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;40900415]Isn't Dain a fascist?[/QUOTE]
no
[editline]4th June 2013[/editline]
being a race realist doesn't necessarily make you an ethno-nationalist
PM me or something if you want to know more, I don't want to pollute the thread
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40900695]no
[editline]4th June 2013[/editline]
being a race realist doesn't necessarily make you an ethno-nationalist
PM me or something if you want to know more, I don't want to pollute the thread[/QUOTE]
Googled 'race realist', got linked to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism"]this[/URL]
[QUOTE=_jesterk;40903142]Googled 'race realist', got linked to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism"]this[/URL][/QUOTE]
keep it to PMs
Since when was fascism or nazism a bannable offense?
Alright,I'm now on the list, hoorah.
[QUOTE=Loures;40903608]Since when was fascism or nazism a bannable offense?[/QUOTE]
It's not, blatant racism/stereotyping is though.. Though lately I've been seeing many cases of racism going unpunished, so not sure.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;40903863]Alright,I'm now on the list, hoorah.
It's not, blatant racism/stereotyping is though.. Though lately I've been seeing many cases of racism going unpunished, so not sure.[/QUOTE]
it's up to the mod's discretion
I don't think it's bannable within the right context. eg. posting about fascism in LMAO pics will probably get you banned, but posting about fascism in the fascism thread wont
unless you're being blatantly racist
[QUOTE=Loures;40903608]Since when was fascism or nazism a bannable offense?[/QUOTE]
A few people have been banned for the reason of Nazi but they really just spouted hate instead of arguments to get those bans in most cases.
[QUOTE=Loures;40903608]Since when was fascism or nazism a bannable offense?[/QUOTE]
Since this:
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1259382&p=40181320&viewfull=1#post40181320[/url]
yeah except he was posting that shit everywhere without it being in the proper context
posting nazi shit is bannable, being a fascist sympathizer isn't. i think.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40929406]posting nazi shit is bannable, being a fascist sympathizer isn't. i think.[/QUOTE]
depends on the mod I guess.
On topic, can any fascist here tell me if racist/racial purity ideologies are an essential part of Fascism in their opinion? I've always associated fascism with racism but reading the OP I think I might be wrong.
[QUOTE=DJK;40929510]depends on the mod I guess.
On topic, can any fascist here tell me if racist/racial purity ideologies are an essential part of Fascism in their opinion? I've always associated fascism with racism but reading the OP I think I might be wrong.[/QUOTE]
it's not, strictly. fascism focuses on class/state unity. national socialism, an adaption of fascism, is the one that focuses on ethnic/national unity.
[QUOTE=DJK;40929510]depends on the mod I guess.
On topic, can any fascist here tell me if racist/racial purity ideologies are an essential part of Fascism in their opinion? I've always associated fascism with racism but reading the OP I think I might be wrong.[/QUOTE]
Not technically but most make it so
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;40931273]Not technically but about 95% of us make it a part of it.[/QUOTE]
So you really believe that the best society is one where people are "racially pure"?
[QUOTE=Chaplin;40931492]So you really believe that the best society is one where people are "racially pure"?[/QUOTE]
I don't think that's what he said.
[QUOTE=DJK;40929510]depends on the mod I guess.
On topic, can any fascist here tell me if racist/racial purity ideologies are an essential part of Fascism in their opinion? I've always associated fascism with racism but reading the OP I think I might be wrong.[/QUOTE]
Fascism does have Nationalist traits, but NatSoc has a stronger Nationalist backing than other types of Fascism. However, you don't need to be a Fascist to be a Nationalist either and a Nationalist can be any other ideology.
[QUOTE=Chaplin;40931492]So you really believe that the best society is one where people are "racially pure"?[/QUOTE]
For some Nationalists yes, racially pure to them is the only option that will work. However most Nationalists would agree that the society needs to be homogeneous in order to succeed and that diversity/multiculturalism creates more problems than it solves.
Racial identity is another large part of Nationalism as well. Nationalists take pride in the white race but often find themselves harassed by multiculturalism supporters that preferring white people over Arabic/African/Asian people (especially where they have nothing in common with the native ethnic identity and refuse to assimilate with the native ethnic identity's culture) is something only racist and backwards people do. Nationalism in a sense can be the polar opposite of multiculturalism in that regards, since multiculturalism is seen destroying the original identity of the country in place of another such as Sweden and parts of France, Germany and the U.K. as well while Nationalist groups (such as the Golden Dawn in Greece) work to restore the glory and the identity of the ethnic people of that region.
[QUOTE=Soleeedus;40905108]I don't think it's bannable within the right context. eg. posting about fascism in LMAO pics will probably get you banned, but posting about fascism in the fascism thread wont
unless you're being blatantly racist[/QUOTE]
fascism isn't inherently racist
[QUOTE=DJK;40929510]depends on the mod I guess.
On topic, can any fascist here tell me if racist/racial purity ideologies are an essential part of Fascism in their opinion? I've always associated fascism with racism but reading the OP I think I might be wrong.[/QUOTE]
I'm not entirely sure. Franco's Spain was regarded by many as "fascist" but it didn't seem to have much emphasis on [I]race[/I] as such, it was more concerned with stamping out regional cultures and dialects, to be replaced by Castilian.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40936507]I'm not entirely sure. Franco's Spain was regarded by many as "fascist" but it didn't seem to have much emphasis on [I]race[/I] as such, it was more concerned with stamping out regional cultures and dialects, to be replaced by Castilian.[/QUOTE]
Franco's Spain wasn't fascist, though, just an authoritarian corporate state. While the leftists tend to regard the Falange as fascist, it really wasn't. Leftists also called social democrats fascists, but again- they aren't. Spain was by all means an authoritarian dictatorship, but there was no worship of the state as such, and Franco's Spain cared little for the class issue- in fact, under Franco the privileged capitalist elite gained far more than under the Republic, and the working class was further alienated. There was no focus on unity or "all for the state", just a dictatorship.
[QUOTE=Chaplin;40931492]So you really believe that the best society is one where people are "racially pure"?[/QUOTE]
Here's how I see it: The world has so many different cultures, countries, and ethnicity it would not only be a waste to merge it all together, but would also result in a very destructive process. Why? It's all about stability. It's simply natural for one group of people to dislike a new group moving in their territory. This has happened every where across the world, even in animals. It takes generation after generation for them to be fully integrated and even then it might not end up working. And all while this is happening both natives and immigrants are going to clash and become uncomfortable. Countries have crumbled throughout history before from this, Humans are naturally racist, not as a defect but a defense mechanism to preserve stability.
National Socialism is just one way I see of preserving the diversity of Humanity. If every country in the world was National Socialist I genuinely believe we'd all be a lot happier and a lot better off. Of course, this is assuming corruption stays at a minimum, which sadly is probably impossible.
I don't just want whites to be racially pure, I also want it for everyone else. I imagine a space faring Humanity where we work together well not because we have all been assimilated into one race and culture but because we have preserved the difference between us and respect each others space and stay clear of it.
It's all so ambitious and likely foolish, but it's what I want.
[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40943175]National Socialism is just one way I see of preserving the diversity of Humanity. If every country in the world was National Socialist I genuinely believe we'd all be a lot happier and a lot better off. Of course, this is assuming corruption stays at a minimum, which sadly is probably impossible.[/QUOTE]
Yeah what better way to preserve diversity than murder everyone who is different from you!
[QUOTE=N0 WAR;40943353]Yeah what better way to preserve diversity than murder everyone who is different from you![/QUOTE]
I gave my view, you can disagree with it all you want but there isn't any need here to be childish.
[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40943410]I gave my view, you can disagree with it all you want but there isn't any need here to be childish.[/QUOTE]
To be honest I find your views a bit childish right back, because I went through a fascist phase when I was younger and I later grew out of it.
[QUOTE=N0 WAR;40943353]Yeah what better way to preserve diversity than murder everyone who is different from you![/QUOTE]
You do understand that Fascism is anti-diversity right? Fascism is all about the homogeneity of the country. Genocide is not always the first answer in removing them, usually mass deportations/emigration occur before full on genocide.
One of the ideas arguing in favor of Nationalism is that if you support diversity now, we will be a homogeneous society except where the only people left are something like modern Brazilians from all of the races mixing and everyone will lose their ethnic identities in the process.
The idea is that although the country itself is Homogeneous, if every country is Homogeneous then every country in the world preserves its own ethnic identity and culture which diversity destroys.
[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40943175]Here's how I see it: The world has so many different cultures, countries, and ethnicity it would not only be a waste to merge it all together, but would also result in a very destructive process. Why? It's all about stability. It's simply natural for one group of people to dislike a new group moving in their territory. This has happened every where across the world, even in animals. It takes generation after generation for them to be fully integrated and even then it might not end up working. And all while this is happening both natives and immigrants are going to clash and become uncomfortable. Countries have crumbled throughout history before from this, Humans are naturally racist, not as a defect but a defense mechanism to preserve stability.
National Socialism is just one way I see of preserving the diversity of Humanity. If every country in the world was National Socialist I genuinely believe we'd all be a lot happier and a lot better off. Of course, this is assuming corruption stays at a minimum, which sadly is probably impossible.
I don't just want whites to be racially pure, I also want it for everyone else. I imagine a space faring Humanity where we work together well not because we have all been assimilated into one race and culture but because we have preserved the difference between us and respect each others space and stay clear of it.
It's all so ambitious and likely foolish, but it's what I want.[/QUOTE]
National Socialism and Fascism are imperialist ideologies, how do you propose stability would be achieved when all these hypothetical National Socialist states will be fighting each other for colonies so they can achieve Autarky? Hell the fact that war and waging war is such an important facet of Fascism and National Socialism makes me highly doubt that anything close to stability could be achieved in a Fascist state.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;40943903]National Socialism and Fascism are imperialist ideologies, how do you propose stability would be achieved when all these hypothetical National Socialist states will be fighting each other for colonies so they can achieve Autarky? Hell the fact that war and waging war is such an important facet of Fascism and National Socialism makes me highly doubt that anything close to stability could be achieved in a Fascist state.[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like National Socialism can't survive without war. The two have just as much in common as does Democracy and war.
In my ideal world the theory goes that if every country has achieved a national and racial unity then the drive for conflict will lessen through a mutual respect for each other. Think of it as a neighborhood but on a larger scale. You might not like your neighbor, but their quiet and they keep to themselves so you do to.
Of course like I said before, this has the flaw of being corrupted by the leaders just like every other government.
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