A Quiet Conversation (The Jimquisition) [SPOILERS] - General

I don't see why people focus so much on a character's appearance, in all honesty. I mean, I guess it and the reason behind it is a[I] little[/I] creepy and maybe even dumb, but why not focus on the stuff that actually matters like character? I get appearance plays into that a bit, but that's just it. Only a bit.

i think its also worth noting that this is a metal gear game that lets you play as a female character if you want.

It's a sad day when people can make money off of complaining about digitized characters showing to much skin.If nothing else, I respect Kojima more for not caving to the SJW crap and actually putting her into the game.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48685144]not really mad about quiet but you honestly cannot compare eva to quiet, eva is meant to be a sexy super spy whos supposed to seduce naked snake quiet [sp]does that to an extent but it wasn't her main goal at all, and her goals in general are kind of nebulous what with the lack of dialog[/sp][/QUOTE] both are examples of fanservice with in-lore reasoning. they're definitely comparable. either way it's not a big deal, nor does the character imply hideo was lazy. it's a character he thought up, and wanted in his story. to say he was being disingenuous is illogical nonsense imo. and i'm not even a huge metal gear fan.

Everybody knows Kojima doesn't design the characters, right? ...right? That would be Yoji Shinkawa doing every character and mech design and taking some guidance from Kojima.

[QUOTE=New Cidem;48685404]Everybody knows Kojima doesn't design the characters, right? ...right? That would be Yoji Shinkawa doing every character and mech design and taking some guidance from Kojima.[/QUOTE] He's still the director.

I mean, we have all prettymuch agreed for a long time that female designs meant strictly for fanservice were lazy and annoying and could stop and be replaced with actual character-having female CHARACTERS. But all this over Quiet I don't understand. So, we call generic female characters that are there to just show boobs/be a love interest for the main meathunk with no real emotion, character development, or interesting reason to even be there lazy. That's good, I get that, and I agree, it's done all the time and adds nothing at all and I would rather have someone I care about. But then, we get a character with a backstory, a couple twists, some fun interactions, some subtlety in development (even things like facial features changing to become more endearing/relaxed as she gets used to you) and even some emotional ties and moments, but we STILL call that lazy because she happens to be poorly dressed? That seems crap to me. She isn't the best female character ever written, yes we get that, but she's actually pretty neat, her song has some SERIOUS meaning the more you learn about her, it's like tragic poetry, but because she isn't dressed in combat fatigues none of that actually matters and she's a lazy disgusting character. At least the reason for her silly clothing given is SOMEWHAT different and interesting. I guess it just doesn't bother me that she happens to be wearing silly clothes because I actually like her and think she's a good character and it doesn't "drag her down" at all for me. I know that Sterling has to pander to his super clique-y game journo friends and everything and he is really great at ignoring context and any kind of alternate reasoning/actually looking into what he is complaining about past the surface level sometimes, especially when it has to do with something I'm sure most of his journo friends dislike but this is just a poorly constructed "reasoning" for the conclusion on his end in my opinion.

Here's a serious question for everyone saying that the design is lazy because it's a bikini and leggings with tactical gear. Are you not arbitrarily declaring something is lazy because it does not appeal to you specifically? What exactly makes it lazy compared to anything else? Are you suggesting there should be a specific rule set as to how a character is designed? If so who get's to arbitrate that? [sp]WHOOOOOOOOOO!?[/sp] [B]Edit: [/B]And before someone says "it's lazy because little thought/time was put into it" 1) Do you actually know how much time was put into it or are you just assuming that because you dislike it? 2) Does the time and thought put into something even matter when all you see is the end result? Was Indiana Jones just shooting the swordsman shit because Harrison Ford just wanted to finish filming for the day quickly?

Jeez people you seem really upset over half-naked woman in video game. I wonder why nobody complained about Wolfenstein: The Old Blood where it got half-naked Blazkowicz on title screen. [t]http://www.onlysp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Desktop-05.04.2015-23.04.53.02.00_00_46_57.Still002.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=the tee;48685941]Jeez people you seem really upset over half-naked woman in video game. I wonder why nobody complained about Wolfenstein: The Old Blood where it got half-naked Blazkowicz on title screen. [t]http://www.onlysp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Desktop-05.04.2015-23.04.53.02.00_00_46_57.Still002.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] your next line is... "male power fantasy"!

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48683197]have you ever considered that maybe to Kojima her design really is more than just boobs? just because she's only boobs to you doesn't necessarily mean she's just boobs to him I don't know, this whole conversation feels laced with a lot of projection and assumption[/QUOTE] But there is no real other explanation for why the camera always lingers on her ass and tits in most cutscenes. Again, there's nothing wrong with showing what she got, but to pretend that there is a [I]~deep~[/I] reason for staring at her ass is weird. [editline]15th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=the tee;48685941]Jeez people you seem really upset over half-naked woman in video game. I wonder why nobody complained about Wolfenstein: The Old Blood where it got half-naked Blazkowicz on title screen. [t]http://www.onlysp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Desktop-05.04.2015-23.04.53.02.00_00_46_57.Still002.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Because nobody claims that that image is anything but a half-naked Blazkowicz killing Nazis.

[QUOTE=Robber;48686020]But there is no real other explanation for why the camera always lingers on her ass and tits in most cutscenes. Again, there's nothing wrong with showing what she got, but to pretend that there is a [I]~deep~[/I] reason for staring at her ass is weird.[/QUOTE] There's a better reason for the shots of Quiet's ass and titties than there is for any ass shot of any male character in the series.

The only problem I have with the whole thing is that I have to wait so long to actually put clothes on her. Oh well at least when she's stretching and moaning in the chopper I can just put on some loud music and turn the camera away.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48684183]the [sp]female skulls are wearing parasite suits[/sp][/QUOTE] Are you sure? I'm watching a play through of the mission during the day and [sp]the line between skin and the upper part of the suit seem pretty clearly defined from each other.[/sp] Possible Spoiler Image(s): [URL="https://i.gyazo.com/80a187aa94eeefd2fc695e705dd06459.png"]https://i.gyazo.com/80a187aa94eeefd2fc695e705dd06459.png [url]https://i.gyazo.com/33ddbfe32632bc04df59645bba5291ff.png[/url] [/URL]

[QUOTE=Kegan;48683252]But why would you want quiet as a buddy when you can have a dog with an eye patch to tag along?[/QUOTE] Real playas take Death Platypus instead of Snake and walk 3 miles alone to the objective. [editline]15th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Destroyox;48685119]I don't think that one in the bottom left is a dude...[/QUOTE] Its not quite a woman to Snake either. It was something beyond that.

idk why people get all up in arms against quiet when there was a character almost exactly like her named holly summers in no more heroes: [img]http://orig08.deviantart.net/d8dd/f/2012/096/9/4/9446b36b18a2425d7ca2874980e4ff9d-d4v8ayk.png[/img]

[QUOTE=codemaster85;48687385]idk why people get all up in arms against quiet when there was a character almost exactly like her named holly summers in no more heroes: [/QUOTE] Probably because people who care about this shit have never heard about no more heroes.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;48687385]idk why people get all up in arms against quiet when there was a character almost exactly like her named holly summers in no more heroes: [img]http://orig08.deviantart.net/d8dd/f/2012/096/9/4/9446b36b18a2425d7ca2874980e4ff9d-d4v8ayk.png[/img][/QUOTE] because no more heroes is a game that no one in the sjw say-bullshit-for-money-business knows about or cares because of its niche market. you gotta attack the popular things, like the new street fighter character that was developed by a middle-eastern/muslim market. Thats clearly offensive to middle eastern people because of bullshit reasons despite the entire middle eastern crowd going crazy apeshit happy when the character was announced at the dubai event. (no really look it up)

[QUOTE=codemaster85;48687385]idk why people get all up in arms against quiet when there was a character almost exactly like her named holly summers in no more heroes: [img]http://orig08.deviantart.net/d8dd/f/2012/096/9/4/9446b36b18a2425d7ca2874980e4ff9d-d4v8ayk.png[/img][/QUOTE] The guy shes standing ontop of looks a lot like miller too

[QUOTE=WhyNott;48687573]The guy shes standing ontop of looks a lot like miller too[/QUOTE] hes voiced by miller's va also

[QUOTE=Wii60;48681897]i also find it kinda funny that people complain about quiets design and purpose meanwhile in mgs4 we have women that escaped from a fuckin bondage facility who are able to dance and pose to j-pop playing from your in-game ipod. half those boss battles felt like old man snake was about to be raped rather than killed [video=youtube;fTRxPjiSlf0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRxPjiSlf0[/video][/QUOTE] literally everyone hated the BnB unit l o l like i defend them from a gameplay perspective because other than raging raven they were all fun boss fights, but goddamn they were stupid

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48687817]miller is in nmh miller isn't a person, but a parasitical pair of aviators that controls it's host[/QUOTE] Holy shit.

[QUOTE=Jund;48686000]your next line is... "male power fantasy"![/QUOTE] there's a reason women love channing tatum, chris evans, and chris hemsworth you know there's part of male power fantasy in that sure, but men generally don't care if they're some buff guy in a first person game, if we think about what games are the most popular men get most satisfaction out of being faceless, yet badass, COD, BF, Halo, or people who do badass things, assassins creed, batman, also the wolfenstein guy is john cena

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48687817]miller is in nmh miller isn't a person, but a parasitical pair of aviators that controls it's host[/QUOTE] Spoiler tag that shit bro!

[QUOTE=elowin;48687935]literally everyone hated the BnB unit l o l like i defend them from a gameplay perspective because other than raging raven they were all fun boss fights, but goddamn they were stupid[/QUOTE] Was gonna say something like this, but forgot how to put in writing. :scream: BnB were great boss-wise, their backstories, and I liked their voices (Thank Pete's VA for most of the screaming parts)Like you said though, very creepy in their hooked-up body suits and whether or not that was Kojima's intention.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48687980]also their explanation ingame is even creepier hey snake get out your boner cuz you're about to fight some ORPHAN RAPE VICTIMS she swore she coulda saw it... jivn'[/QUOTE] Wasn't there a website where you could make up your own b&b stories? They were that easy to copypaste. [editline]16th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Fire Kracker;48688869]there's a reason women love channing tatum, chris evans, and chris hemsworth you know there's part of male power fantasy in that sure, but men generally don't care if they're some buff guy in a first person game, if we think about what games are the most popular men get most satisfaction out of being faceless, yet badass, COD, BF, Halo, or people who do badass things, assassins creed, batman, also the wolfenstein guy is john cena[/QUOTE] I dont think people even genuinely give a shit about cod's stories or any roleplaying that might come out of its characters. They're all boring mostly. What people do like is to literaly "pwn some noobs"

[QUOTE=kweh;48690940]Wasn't there a website where you could make up your own b&b stories? They were that easy to copypaste. [/QUOTE][url=http://thesnakesoup.org/editorial-articles/the-5-dumbest-moments-in-metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/]Scroll down for the Drebin mad libs[/url]

[QUOTE=Jad Hinto;48691308][url=http://thesnakesoup.org/editorial-articles/the-5-dumbest-moments-in-metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/]Scroll down for the Drebin mad libs[/url][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Shitting Pidgeon was from the war-torn country of Bosnia. Her town was invaded by soldiers when she was a small child. They captured her and made her eat herself and her family while Shitting. Then they slapped her and left her for dead. Out of nowhere a Pidgeon came in and killed the soldiers by shitting on them. After the soldiers, it killed some pregnant women. She tried to stop it but the Pidgeon was unstoppable. The thing was, though... there was no Pidgeon. She was consumed by her Shitting. Fighting you cleansed her soul and Ass, Snake. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;48681328]Plus he's equal about it. To the point where in MGS 2, he told his art director that Raiden needs a nice ass, but mid l not as nice as Snakes, make his better. That's just one example. It seems like people complain but don't really know the roots the series has.[/QUOTE] No, not really. People complain about Quiet's design, then all Kojima and everyone else would have to do is point out a lot of other characters in MGS, and how sexualized they are, too. However, his response instead was "oh you see its important to her character," and that's a load of bullshit. Just say "yeah I gave her tits and thighs, what of it? Did you check out Snake's killer ass, while you were at it?"

[QUOTE=kweh;48690940]Wasn't there a website where you could make up your own b&b stories? They were that easy to copypaste. [editline]16th September 2015[/editline] I dont think people even genuinely give a shit about cod's stories or any roleplaying that might come out of its characters. They're all boring mostly. What people do like is to literaly "pwn some noobs"[/QUOTE] exactly male power fantasy is more of "pwning noobs" which is having control over someone essentially(or being better than them) than being a buff guy