[QUOTE=Trotsky;20295659]uhhh, you do realize hitler was extremely loved. crowd turn out doesn't make him a good leader, it makes him a loved leader.
castro didn't die.
I think you're bullshitting.[/QUOTE]
I never said Castro died, there was multiple allegations in which they had said he died due to Castro appearing on an off the spotling for long periods of time but whatever your missing the point.
And yeah Hitler took advantage of people when germany wasn't doing too well ofcourse with what he promised everyone loved him. he was still a jerk.
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[QUOTE=Conscript;20295724]the US losing its little tourist sandbox and colony to popular revolt[/QUOTE]
Who revolted and why?
[QUOTE=gfbbgfvfr;20295759]I never said Castro died, there was multiple allegations in which they had said he died due to Castro appearing on an off the spotling for long periods of time but whatever your missing the point.[/quote]
uh, your point is your spanish teacher represents Cuba?
[quote]And yeah Hitler took advantage of people when germany wasn't doing too well ofcourse with what he promised everyone loved him. he was still a jerk.[/QUOTE]
doesn't denote the fact people still loved hitler.
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[QUOTE=gfbbgfvfr;20295759]
Who revolted and why?[/QUOTE]
Cuban workers against Batista.
Batista was an evil man who turned Cuba into a police state all with the back of the US?
[QUOTE=gfbbgfvfr;20294230]
Granted Hitler was surrounded by people who loved him at all times but even then I haven't even read of a failed assassination attempt.[/QUOTE]
Wait, are you talking about a failed assasination of Hitler, or Castro, or Kim-Jong Il. Because all 3 of them had assasinations fail.
There's only been one assasination attempt on Kim-Jong that's been made public, when some men who tried to kill him were burned alive in May Day stadium as punishment.
[QUOTE=Conscript;20295597]also under the loving care of the fatherly leader is a good book. anyone interested in north korea should read it.
you're an idiot. hitler rode on sentiments already in the making, castro created them and earned his support. also the fact that cubans still support castro through hard times and through generations only proves their support of the revolution.
also i like how you just ignored everything else in that bit. nothing to say about them?
I don't really care what cuban exiles have to say about castro.[/QUOTE]
I got nothing to say to sarcastic retorts and insults I find idiots come to realize what they are through their own way of arguing with someone.
And by the way, deciding to leave a place isn't the same as getting kicked out. I didn't know going to the bahamas on a summer vacation meant getting "exiled" on the US.
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[QUOTE=Trotsky;20295803]uh, your point is your spanish teacher represents Cuba?
doesn't denote the fact people still loved hitler.
[editline]02:29AM[/editline]
Cuban workers against Batista.
Batista was an evil man who turned Cuba into a police state all with the back of the US?[/QUOTE]
No a cuban spanish teacher along with a bunch of cuban friends don't represent Cuba, I guess I gotta ask every single cuban alive what they think of Castro to form a solid fact. Meanwhile I'm getting the gist that not everyone thinks castro is all that.
And if I'm correct after Castro, overthrew Batista people thought he was really great right.
Much like Hitler did one thing everyone wanted him to do, but then he fucked up when he started killing all the jews.
You could argue that Castro hasn't killed anyone but he did the same thing Hitler did which was take advantage of a situation. And now he's been fucking up as of lately.
[QUOTE=gfbbgfvfr;20295929]
No a cuban spanish teacher along with a bunch of cuban friends don't represent Cuba, I guess I gotta ask every single cuban alive what they think of Castro to form a solid fact. Meanwhile I'm getting the gist that not everyone thinks castro is all that.[/QUOTE]
Sure, completely disregarding the fact that most of them probably never lived in Cuba for over three months after Castro took power.
[quote] And if I'm correct after Castro, overthrew Batista people thought he was really great right. [/quote]
I'm guessing you tried to make up a response but utterly failed
[Quote] Much like Hitler did one thing everyone wanted him to do, but then he fucked up when he started killing all the jews.
You could argue that Castro hasn't killed anyone but he did the same thing Hitler did which was take advantage of a situation. And now he's been fucking up as of lately.[/QUOTE]
How has he been fucking up as of lately?
[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;20296184]I'm guessing you tried to make up a response but utterly failed[/QUOTE]
The irony
Is nonexistant.
[QUOTE=gfbbgfvfr;20295929]I got nothing to say to sarcastic retorts and insults I find idiots come to realize what they are through their own way of arguing with someone.[/quote]
then don't reply. you're wasting your own time bitching about what someone said on the internet.
[QUOTE=gfbbgfvfr;20295590]And by the way, deciding to leave a place isn't the same as getting kicked out. I didn't know going to the bahamas on a summer vacation meant getting "exiled" on the US.[/QUOTE]
exile doesn't necessarily denote being forced to leave.
[QUOTE=gfbbgfvfr;20295759]
Who revolted and why?[/QUOTE]
cubans and because of the oppressiveness of a wealthy US puppet named Batista who lived like royalty while the rest of cubans lived in some of the most miserable conditions in latin america.
[QUOTE=Conscript;20296528]then don't reply. you're wasting your own time bitching about what someone said on the internet.
exile doesn't necessarily denote being forced to leave.
cubans and because of the oppressiveness of a wealthy US puppet named Batista who lived like royalty while the rest of cubans lived in some of the most miserable conditions in latin america.[/QUOTE]
Take your own advice
[QUOTE=gfbbgfvfr;20296569]Take your own advice[/QUOTE]
...why should I? I'm making points, while you're posting about my behavior.
I'll tell you what. I apologize for insulting you, and from there we can just drop this if you'd like. How's that?
I dunno why I got in a who knows how long conversation about why cubans hate castro on a forum about a dumb mod, fuck this I'm out.
And yeah we're cool
Welcome to Facepunch.
shut up
I'm sure someone's already said this so I'll rate myself late:
For those of you calling Kim Jong Il the "Great Leader," he's not. Kim Il Sung still is. Kim Jong Il is only the "Dear Leader." The nutjobs there have practically made a religion out of Kim Il Sung. Students are taught that he created the world.
[QUOTE=gfbbgfvfr;20294230]Granted Hitler was surrounded by people who loved him at all times but even then I haven't even read of a failed assassination attempt.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/assassination_attempts.html]Well, then, I guess you don't read much on WWII.[/url]
Hey, I came back because I'm a relentess bastard.
I wanna keep talking about this dumb subtopic.
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[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;20297789][url=http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/assassination_attempts.html]Well, then, I guess you don't read much on WWII.[/url][/QUOTE]
That's alot of attempts, funny how things work out or in this case don't.
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I got a question though, to the people that I was talking to earlier, how does castro sit with you in your opinion?
2 years ago I did a report on North Korea. I was fasincated with all the buildings and statues but after seeing some images with Children in kindergardens (Starving) I was shocked!
I doubt NK will last much longer in the state that it's in. A decade or two later and it will probably open its markets more, much like the Soviet Union did.
[QUOTE=Calam1tous;20299039]I doubt NK will last much longer in the state that it's in. A decade or two later and it will probably open its markets more, much like the Soviet Union did.[/QUOTE]
Since Kim is in bad health, keeping the current ruling party in control is top priority in North Korea right now. His successor is believed to be planned as little more than a figurehead, having one of Kim's most trusted buddies making the real decisions. The people don't give a crap about how little they have. They have no way of knowing what life is like outside of North Korea, and even if they find a tiny bit of evidence suggesting that life is better elsewhere, every other source they've ever encountered will suggest otherwise, so they'll almost definitely think it's a lie. They probably think the outside world is barren wasteland filled with barbarians who are jealous of how much North Korea has. No revolution is happening within anytime soon.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;20299334]Since Kim is in bad health, keeping the current ruling party in control is top priority in North Korea right now. His successor is believed to be planned as little more than a figurehead, having one of Kim's most trusted buddies making the real decisions. The people don't give a crap about how little they have. They have no way of knowing what life is like outside of North Korea, and even if they find a tiny bit of evidence suggesting that life is better elsewhere, every other source they've ever encountered will suggest otherwise, so they'll almost definitely think it's a lie. They probably think the outside world is barren wasteland filled with barbarians who are jealous of how much North Korea has. No revolution is happening within anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
so NK is still fucked with Kim dead
It seems North Korea is against the movie Apocalypse Now.
[IMG]http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/11/ryugyong-hotel-lg.jpg[/IMG]
When North Korea is inevitably invaded in 2017 (yes, that's my prediction) that building will go down in history the same way the Grain Elevator went down in history in Stalingrad. That thing is simply way too big to simply demolished, and that will be packed to the fucking brim with KPA. Look at that monstrosity, It's like a tactical nightmare waiting to happen.
[QUOTE=laserpanda;20276305]They don't want our help either. They genuinely hate the West, because thats what they've been taught since they were born.
If another country was to invade, almost every citizen would probably fight to the death instead of surrendering.[/QUOTE]
Not entirely true. People try to jump the borders all the time. Hell, even guards near the DMZ have tried.
And say that to the thousands and thousands of people stuck in prison camps so horrible they can be compared to the ones Nazi Germany created. If not worse.
[url]http://ncafe.com/northkorea/SunOkLeeTestimony_w_llus.pdf[/url]
Goddamn, I get depressed every time I read this. Especially with the knowledge that such atrocities happens TODAY. If you're too lazy to read it all, just scroll down and look at the illustrations and read the names of each 'chapter'.
[QUOTE=JLea;20249365]The population is brought up from birth to believe America is evil, the cause of the Korean war and the rest of the world is jealous of them :smith:[/QUOTE]
Yeah man I'm so fucking jealous of those ox carts.
[QUOTE=gfbbgfvfr;20295929]I got nothing to say to sarcastic retorts and insults I find idiots come to realize what they are through their own way of arguing with someone.
And by the way, deciding to leave a place isn't the same as getting kicked out. I didn't know going to the bahamas on a summer vacation meant getting "exiled" on the US.
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No a cuban spanish teacher along with a bunch of cuban friends don't represent Cuba, I guess I gotta ask every single cuban alive what they think of Castro to form a solid fact. Meanwhile I'm getting the gist that not everyone thinks castro is all that.
And if I'm correct after Castro, overthrew Batista people thought he was really great right.
Much like Hitler did one thing everyone wanted him to do, but then he fucked up when he started killing all the jews.
You could argue that Castro hasn't killed anyone but he did the same thing Hitler did which was take advantage of a situation. And now he's been fucking up as of lately.[/QUOTE]
A lot of great American presidents have bordered the 50% approval rating. You meeting like 5 people from Cuba means it represents everyone?
the people hated batista. What are you talking about?
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[QUOTE=gfbbgfvfr;20298008]
I got a question though, to the people that I was talking to earlier, how does castro sit with you in your opinion?[/QUOTE]
Statistically speaking he's done well for Cuba
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[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20301394][IMG]http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/11/ryugyong-hotel-lg.jpg[/IMG]
When North Korea is inevitably invaded in 2017 (yes, that's my prediction) that building will go down in history the same way the Grain Elevator went down in history in Stalingrad. That thing is simply way too big to simply demolished, and that will be packed to the fucking brim with KPA. Look at that monstrosity, It's like a tactical nightmare waiting to happen.[/QUOTE]
your prediction is silly
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20301981]A lot of great American presidents have bordered the 50% approval rating. You meeting like 5 people from Cuba means it represents everyone?
the people hated batista. What are you talking about?
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Statistically speaking he's done well for Cuba
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your prediction is silly[/QUOTE]
Castro said that if anyone wanted to leave Cuba they could, approximately 1.4 million cubans left at their own accord and were labeled as exiles for not staying with Castro. It may not be everyone but it's still alot.
Reminds me of city 17.
[QUOTE=Conscript;20293352]yes that's why most of the world's population is left in the third world[/QUOTE]
No thats simply because of previous European colonialism and capitalism as in the west not instituted in the third world countries...
Remember Lenin's N.E.P? it only worked because it privatised certain sectors of the economy. I'll let you figure out what I'm saying.
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[QUOTE=Conscript;20295363]not they don't. cubans overwhelmingly support castro, shown by the large audience that arrives he makes a speech, the counter-demonstrations to the US-funded protests of groups like the women in white, and his constant re-election.
yes, he keeps the people poor with the power of his mind because he is the spawn of the devil
cuba is poor because it lost its biggest trading partner and the US enforces a crippling embargo on it.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me you're being sarcastic...
[QUOTE=Earthen;20303129]No thats simply because of previous European colonialism and capitalism as in the west not instituted in the third world countries...[/quote]
Capitalism breeds poverty on the many. it undoubltly fucking fails after a short time.
[quote]Remember Lenin's N.E.P? it only worked because it privatised certain sectors of the economy. I'll let you figure out what I'm saying.[/QUOTE]
uh, actually, it worked because it allowed socialism into a ravished country.
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[QUOTE=gfbbgfvfr;20302592]Castro said that if anyone wanted to leave Cuba they could, approximately 1.4 million cubans left at their own accord and were labeled as exiles for not staying with Castro. It may not be everyone but it's still alot.[/QUOTE]
Wait, you were just saying they couldn't leave.
you're switching your words around.
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