North Korea: Best Korea - General

[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1875007335054132657&ei=TbtjSPeFJIH4rQLl9sT1Cg&hl=en#[/url] In this video -Food aid from foreign countries go to the military or is sold on the black market -No one lives in the larger cities, they're complete ghost towns -Nearly all farmers must stop growing food and save the best soil and resources for growing opium or face being tortured, imprisoned, and killed -Opium constitutes a 500 million to 1billion dollar industry for North Korea -Orphans are placed in hostels where they are fed a spoonful of food, maybe 2. -Child prisoners are forced to execute other prisoners -Children are fed on by dogs in prison camps -Human flesh is secretly sold since there is no other meat. I have no idea if it's been posted though.

One day, the North Koreans will rebel against their government.

[QUOTE=BCell;20303547]One day, the North Koreans will rebel against their government.[/QUOTE] v [QUOTE=Aredbomb;20299334]Since Kim is in bad health, keeping the current ruling party in control is top priority in North Korea right now. His successor is believed to be planned as little more than a figurehead, having one of Kim's most trusted buddies making the real decisions. The people don't give a crap about how little they have. They have no way of knowing what life is like outside of North Korea, and even if they find a tiny bit of evidence suggesting that life is better elsewhere, every other source they've ever encountered will suggest otherwise, so they'll almost definitely think it's a lie. They probably think the outside world is barren wasteland filled with barbarians who are jealous of how much North Korea has. No revolution is happening within anytime soon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;20295616]Is that title satirical or serious?[/QUOTE] Well North Korea does seem pretty awesome from whats in the OP /sarcasm

[QUOTE=orbitrek;20304226]Well North Korea does seem pretty awesome from whats in the OP /sarcasm[/QUOTE] That, and it is most likely taken from [url=http://bird.biofever.com/blog/gallery/1/north-korea-is-best-korea.jpg]this[/url].

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20303377]Capitalism breeds poverty on the many. it undoubltly fucking fails after a short time. .[/QUOTE] yeah capitalism has been around a while, it's still going strong trostky. you can keep hoping that one day communism will make everything glorious though :allears:

I don't believe in pure capitalism and I don't believe in pure communism. Something along the middle sounds good.

I hope that before I die, this shithole would be gone. Its really sad how these people don't get to wear jeans and listen to music.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20301394][IMG_thumb]http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/11/ryugyong-hotel-lg.jpg[/IMG_thumb] When North Korea is inevitably invaded in 2017 (yes, that's my prediction) that building will go down in history the same way the Grain Elevator went down in history in Stalingrad. That thing is simply way too big to simply demolished, and that will be packed to the fucking brim with KPA. Look at that monstrosity, It's like a tactical nightmare waiting to happen.[/QUOTE] They actually resumed construction on that hotel recently (sort of). The ETA is 2012. [img]http://structurehub.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/north-korea-pyongyang-ryugyong-hotel-2009.jpg[/img] This picture is one year old.

[QUOTE=JLea;20304477]yeah capitalism has been around a while, it's still going strong trostky. [/QUOTE] Not really, Socialism is starting to take over, Europe shows this. [editline]04:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ignhelper;20304530]I hope that before I die, this shithole would be gone. Its really sad how these people don't get to wear jeans and listen to music.[/QUOTE] "be gone" what do you mean?

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20304635]Not really, Socialism is starting to take over, Europe shows this. [editline]04:50PM[/editline] "be gone" what do you mean?[/QUOTE] No it doesn't. The scandinavian model has been the same for ages. And even if some parts of the plan might look socialistic, we still don't live in a socialist society. Where's your proof?

[QUOTE=Kazumi;20306934]No it doesn't. The scandinavian model has been the same for ages. And even if some parts of the plan might look socialistic, we still don't live in a socialist society. Where's your proof?[/QUOTE] Wait, Scandinavia isn't a social democracy? That's like saying the US isn't a Republic.

[QUOTE=Earthen;20303129]No thats simply because of previous European colonialism and capitalism as in the west not instituted in the third world countries...[/quote] What do you mean 'capitalism as in the west is not instituted in the third world countries'? Capitalism exists in third world countries, that goes without saying. They are what keeps our, and the rest of the first world, wealth abundant. The third world is one big reserve cheap labor force for our companies, and the immense job competition in the third world keeps wages down and hours long. [QUOTE=Earthen;20303129]Remember Lenin's N.E.P? it only worked because it privatised certain sectors of the economy. I'll let you figure out what I'm saying.[/quote] The NEP failed, I hope you know that. It didn't industrialize the USSR, and at most it just empowered the USSR's already problematic rich peasantry (whom were termed 'kulaks'). That's why the NEP was scrapped in the 1928 and the politburo drafted the five year plans. [QUOTE=Earthen;20303129]Please tell me you're being sarcastic...[/QUOTE] I really don't understand why people post things like this, and ONLY things like this. How about something more then 'that better be sarcasm boy'

[QUOTE=Earthen;20291353]Don't start with all that stateless and opression free bullshit... its not gonna happen and it doesn't work capitalism is a hundred times better because it fosters an environment in which everybody has the chance to succeed. Fuck in communism if you're stuck in the commune piece of land, you're not getting out.[/QUOTE] you are dumb never post again [highlight](User was banned for this post (""stop posting"" - GunFox))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=JLea;20304477]yeah capitalism has been around a while, it's still going strong trostky. you can keep hoping that one day communism will make everything glorious though :allears:[/QUOTE] Hmm that's weird I don't think I've ever seen a country with no financial regulation from the government.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20303377]Capitalism breeds poverty on the many. it undoubltly fucking fails after a short time. uh, actually, it worked because it allowed socialism into a ravished country. [editline]02:33PM[/editline] Wait, you were just saying they couldn't leave. you're switching your words around.[/QUOTE] Actually read some history... it privatised sectors of the economy, after lenin did that the economy got better. Capitalism breeds poverty on those who don't put maximum effort, dedication and hope into work... fuck thanks to welfare, fat people can just do nothing and get money because "they have difficulties working" fuck em, its their fault. However, i believe in welfare for those mentally or physically disabled (no arms, etc..) and those who really need it and then use it to get a job and pay back the state. [editline]02:18AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Conscript;20308507]What do you mean 'capitalism as in the west is not instituted in the third world countries'? Capitalism exists in third world countries, that goes without saying. They are what keeps our, and the rest of the first world, wealth abundant. The third world is one big reserve cheap labor force for our companies, and the immense job competition in the third world keeps wages down and hours long. The NEP failed, I hope you know that. It didn't industrialize the USSR, and at most it just empowered the USSR's already problematic rich peasantry (whom were termed 'kulaks'). That's why the NEP was scrapped in the 1928 and the politburo drafted the five year plans. I really don't understand why people post things like this, and ONLY things like this. How about something more then 'that better be sarcasm boy'[/QUOTE] Capitalism in 3rd world countries is simply unregulated capitalism... what I meant was western capitalism, regulated by laws and slightly supported by the government So you're supporting Stalin?

To me the most influential difference between modern/incomplete communism and capitalism is that in capitalism you actually have a chance to prosper.

Why do they try to make money off the few people that go there, they don't trade with the rest of the world right?

They're not trying to make money, they're trying to give the impression that North Korea is great, advanced, and better to live in than most other countries, at which they fail pretty badly at.

[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;20314350]They're not trying to make money, they're trying to give the impression that North Korea is great, advanced, and better to live in than most other countries, at which they fail pretty badly at.[/QUOTE] They make money though. For the army.

[QUOTE=Earthen;20313283]Actually read some history... it privatised sectors of the economy, after lenin did that the economy got better.[/quote] okay, telling me to 'read some history' and restating your position isn't an argument. just to spite you [quote]The New Economic Policy (NEP) (Russian: Новая экономическая политика, НЭП, Novaya Ekonomicheskaya Politika) was an economic policy proposed by Vladimir Lenin to prevent the Russian economy from collapsing. [b]Allowing some private ventures, the NEP allowed small businesses or shops, for instance, to reopen for private profit while the state continued to control banks, foreign trade, and large industries.[1][/b] It was officially decided in the course of the 10th Congress of the All-Russian Communist Party. It was promulgated by decree on March 21, 1921, "On the Replacement of Prodrazvyorstka by Prodnalog" (i.e., on the replacement of foodstuffs requisitions by fixed foodstuffs tax). In essence, the decree required the farmers to give the government a specified amount of raw agricultural product as a tax in kind.[2] Further decrees refined the policy and expanded it to include some industries.[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_economic_policy[/url] [QUOTE=Earthen;20313283]Capitalism breeds poverty on those who don't put maximum effort, dedication and hope into work.[/quote] how old are you? this is pretty fucking ignorant, and also complete bullshit. i doubt you ever lived a day in poverty. do you even have a job? [QUOTE=Earthen;20313283]Capitalism in 3rd world countries is simply unregulated capitalism... what I meant was western capitalism, regulated by laws and slightly supported by the government[/quote] it's not regulated because all the foreign companies investing their economy would go elsewhere if they did, and the country would get worse. [QUOTE=Earthen;20313283]So you're supporting Stalin?[/QUOTE] what does stalin have to do with this?

Not sure if this was posted here, but very approiate thread music. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsfwPsuVjOk[/url]

What's up with the Vice guide on the first page? I get a 404 error when trying to access it. Maybe the Koreans have found it and attempted to remove the words of slander.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20307069]Wait, Scandinavia isn't a social democracy? That's like saying the US isn't a Republic.[/QUOTE] What you are aiming at is that socialism is taken over. The way you post it's either black or white. Socialist or not. We've had the social democratic party for so long, but there still hasn't been any reforms towards a socialist government. The system uses the best parts of both worlds, and I shit you not, it works like a charm. And you didn't answer my question. Where's your proof that socialism is taking over Europe?

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20301981]your prediction is silly[/QUOTE] And why's that? Seems like the US gets into a relatively large confrontation in somewhat linear intervals, and 2017 seems like a good time for them to hit the next country on the list.

you should add more about the prison camps. because from what ive heard its pretty fucked up.

Reminds me of Pripyat (the pictures).

[QUOTE=Conscript;20315303]okay, telling me to 'read some history' and restating your position isn't an argument. just to spite you [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_economic_policy[/url] how old are you? this is pretty fucking ignorant, and also complete bullshit. i doubt you ever lived a day in poverty. do you even have a job? it's not regulated because all the foreign companies investing their economy would go elsewhere if they did, and the country would get worse. what does stalin have to do with this?[/QUOTE] ooh personal insults. I said "sectors" of the economy, i never said what sectors, nice one dipshit. I've never lived in poverty, but I've visited areas of poverty (china, nepal, certain parts of London, Malaysia). I had a job, made money, felt good. Thats capitalism, with the chance of making more money the harder you work. Your idea of "true" communism is just anarchy with a nicer name. Face it, humans are not capable of having no societal hierarchy. People will always create groups and have leaders, thus we have capitalism, the epitomy of this, where there are leaders and groups, people in the groups can work their way up the ladder and become leaders themselves. In your idea of communism people would just wallow around, somebody would show skill and take power, BOOM! communism failed. p.s the stalin thing was because it seemed like you were supporting his industrialization.

[QUOTE=Earthen;20323160]ooh personal insults. I said "sectors" of the economy, i never said what sectors, nice one dipshit. I've never lived in poverty, but I've visited areas of poverty (china, nepal, certain parts of London, Malaysia). I had a job, made money, felt good. Thats capitalism, with the chance of making more money the harder you work. Your idea of "true" communism is just anarchy with a nicer name. Face it, humans are not capable of having no societal hierarchy. People will always create groups and have leaders, thus we have capitalism, the epitomy of this, where there are leaders and groups, people in the groups can work their way up the ladder and become leaders themselves. In your idea of communism people would just wallow around, somebody would show skill and take power, BOOM! communism failed.[/quote] Okay, that doesn't make a damn bit of difference because no sector of the economy was privatized. Big industry remained in the hands of the state. I have no idea where I mentioned anything about 'true' communism, or that it has no hierarchy. I'm not sure where this fits in on a discussion about the NEP and capitalism. Regardless communism is not anarchy, nor does it have no hierarchy. So, BOOM!, your whole off-topic argument is wrong. If you'd like to get a grasp on something you don't have the slightest clue about, I recommend [url=http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/index.htm]Critique of the Gotha Programme[/url]. [QUOTE=Earthen;20323160]p.s the stalin thing was because it seemed like you were supporting his industrialization.[/QUOTE] this makes you even more of an idiot because this is a strawman. If I support the industrialization of the USSR (which I do, anybody who doesn't have an irrational fetish with a backwards russia does), that makes me a fan of stalin? This is like saying if I support Reagan I also support all the dictators and far-right terrorists he supported.

It's sad how NK is suffering like that.. Usually people are ignorant because the news makes them sound wealthy, with nuclear weapons and crap.. South has been trying to reunite for many years but because of Jong Ill it's really impossible. Though there has been several attempts to at least reunite divided families from Korean War it doesn't really make a difference. Many N.Koreans escape to S.Korea through Chinese route since they'll shoot anyone who comes near the 38th parallel..