Thought about sex and nudity and how our "morals" change over time.
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[QUOTE=thisBrad;33278903]I agree. Seeing someone nude would lose its sexy touch and the only time you would really be turned on would be during sex. Now days, you can constantly be teased with how people around you dress or provocative advertisements, etc.[/QUOTE]
Then why doesn't provocative clothes and advertisements lose it's sexy touch?
I don't think people would stop getting horny when they see things they're sexually attracted to. Maybe they wouldn't get boners all the time, but they'd still be attracted to it and like it.
And you use the fact that people are free to choose how to dress to say that you like how current society is? But they can't choose to be naked if they wanted to.
[QUOTE]But if everyone walked around naked, wouldn't every male be walking around with a permanent boner at lease through their teenage years?[/QUOTE]
-Probably not
-Contradicting your first statement
-Not everyone would be walking around naked
They probably wouldn't be so horny if sex and nudity were seen as totally fine, because then they would probably just be having sex and not be walking around with a permanent boner...
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33341117]Er, no. Sex is for two people who share a physical attraction to each other. Or in the case of prostitutes, a guy is horny and the girl wants money.
What I'm trying to say is that the idea that sex is 'special' is a load of horse shit and always has been.[/QUOTE]
Maybe if you're hedonistic.
Open sex and nudity is a taboo because of religious reasons. There is really no reason why sex shouldn't be more open. I mean really when blowing a guys head off is more acceptable then tits on are media then something is horribly wrong.
Good topic. I don't think the human body should be considered shameful.
I think it's good that people are becoming more open about their bodies.
Sex is taboo not because of the nice romantic erotic bits. It's taboo because of all of the darker stuff; rape, child molestation, exploitation, stds, sodomy, etc.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33341117]Er, no. Sex is for two people who share a physical attraction to each other. Or in the case of prostitutes, a guy is horny and the girl wants money.
What I'm trying to say is that the idea that sex is 'special' is a load of horse shit and always has been.[/QUOTE]
If that were the mainstream idea in the world today, that'd sound pretty fucking awful to me.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;33360539]If that were the mainstream idea in the world today, that'd sound pretty fucking awful to me.[/QUOTE]
It'd be like if the whole world was Hollywood.
OH GOD
I think humanity has just became more personal about everything, including sex.
People daily have sex in public, but only to the limit of they know it's in public, but the public might not know. Sex in phonebooths or public bathrooms, we've became more experimental with our sex lives.
I don't think we'll ever reach the point where we're totally open about sex, and can just have sex everywhere infront of everybody, however over the last 100 years we've gone from the word "sex" being a naughty thing to speak of, to now where there's people walking the streets handing out free condoms.
[QUOTE=thisBrad;33278903]
But if everyone walked around naked, wouldn't every male be walking around with a permanent boner at lease through their teenage years?[/QUOTE]
not really because it will be normal for them to see naked womens and men
[QUOTE=DontDoShit;33361440]not really because it will be normal for them to see naked womens and men[/QUOTE]
Yeah that sounds kinda shitty too
Imagine unbuttoning your lover's shirt, revealing her beautiful breasts, and it doesn't do [I]anything[/I] to you. Why do so many people seem to think this is ideal?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33183043]Not exactly "illegal", but incredibly frowned upon.[/QUOTE]
And now we have ladies showing off their entire legs!
Now there's a phrase I never expected to actually use.
Who really wants to walk around town and see some guys cock flipping and flopping everywhere, or some topless old woman with saggy veiny tits. Gross
[editline]20th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=lolo;33280276]
Sex is a private thing for someone very special, who loves you. It'd be very embarrassing to be doing that open where people are watching you. [/QUOTE]
Or very erotic.
[QUOTE=seano12;33362275]Or very erotic.[/QUOTE]
I'd blame prostitutes and porn stars for that.
[QUOTE=zerothefallen;33125049]Sex is a private thing you should do with someone special to you. That is my thought on it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=lolo;33363400]I'd blame prostitutes and porn stars for that.[/QUOTE]
The porn industry in general. All those damn public porn videos make me think that doing it in public with people around wouldn't be half bad. Buuuuuuut I'd rather it just be me and my girlfriend alone in a bedroom...
[QUOTE=seano12;33364249]The porn industry in general. All those damn public porn videos make me think that doing it in public with people around wouldn't be half bad. Buuuuuuut I'd rather it just be me and my girlfriend alone in a bedroom...[/QUOTE]
Only porn that should really exist, if any is even necessary, is just softcore, super hardcore bullshit porn is just making people feel less and less that sex is at all intimate.
[QUOTE=seano12;33364249]The porn industry in general. All those damn public porn videos make me think that doing it in public with people around wouldn't be half bad. Buuuuuuut I'd rather it just be me and my girlfriend alone in a bedroom...[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;33362038]Yeah that sounds kinda shitty too
Imagine unbuttoning your lover's shirt, revealing her beautiful breasts, and it doesn't do [I]anything[/I] to you. Why do so many people seem to think this is ideal?[/QUOTE]
Because that's not how it would be. People watch plenty of porn, and yet somehow sex doesn't become boring. Seeing breasts is, on its own, sexual right now because it's purposefully hidden away. If people saw breasts all the time, it wouldn't be sexual, and yet taking off your lover's clothes as a step towards sex [I]would still be sexy.[/I]
Society is too conceited at the point where they are oppressed into a "politically correct" lifestyle. The same reason why gays or anything else that doesn't "conform" to the standards of society are fucked over. You think about it for a few minutes and you can easily analyze that we've gone backwards from the Romans (didn't give a shit) Yes, and the church has a pretty big factor in why everybody suddenly became so insecure and sensitive about themselves so toss them a bone in that. It slowly evolved, and hey here we are now, we have ideally created a dividing/hate-filled place.
[QUOTE=bulletshield;33366783]Society is too conceited at the point where they are oppressed into a "politically correct" lifestyle. The same reason why gays or anything else that doesn't "conform" to the standards of society are fucked over. You think about it for a few minutes and you can easily analyze that we've gone backwards from the Romans (didn't give a shit) Yes, and the church has a pretty big factor in why everybody suddenly became so insecure and sensitive about themselves so toss them a bone in that. It slowly evolved, and hey here we are now, we have ideally created a dividing/hate-filled place.[/QUOTE]
If only we could go back in time and have orgies in the bath houses with the Romans.
[QUOTE=seano12;33367338]If only we could go back in time and have orgies in the bath houses with the Romans.[/QUOTE]
And then we could watch the gladiators kill each other at the Colosseum!
I've always been pretty conservative when it comes to what I like women to wear out in public. Sure, I enjoy seeing girls in tight clothing and the like, but I would hate for my girlfriend to be walking around in clothing like that, showing cleavage and what not.
But that's because I'm very possessive about that sort of thing, if a girl wants to walk around showing everyone her body in a provocative way, go ahead and let her, that's just not anyone I would feel inclined to date.
But I'm the type of person who thinks sex is something that shouldn't be passed around easily, and think of it as something private and usually romantic (or stress relieving), that goes just as well to the associative parts (Boobs, ass, etc.)
[QUOTE=Robbobin;33356482]Sex is taboo not because of the nice romantic erotic bits. It's taboo because of all of the darker stuff; rape, child molestation, exploitation, stds, sodomy, etc.[/QUOTE]
Of course sex has it's darker side, everything has a darker side.
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;33372574]And then we could watch the gladiators kill each other at the Colosseum![/QUOTE]
We have that already with UFC and NASCAR.
Am I the only one that thinks it would be disgusting to see people walking around naked or half-naked? I think it's gross when men do it, especially if they've got man-boobs and/or lots of chest hair, and keep in mind that not all women are attractive, hence it wouldn't be great to see them half-naked.... plus, I think it's gross when women "show off" too much. I'm a bit of a conservative on this...
[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;33374213]Am I the only one that thinks it would be disgusting to see people walking around naked or half-naked? I think it's gross when men do it, especially if they've got man-boobs and/or lots of chest hair, and keep in mind that not all women are attractive, hence it wouldn't be great to see them half-naked.... plus, I think it's gross when women "show off" too much. I'm a bit of a conservative on this...[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how things are in the UK, but here in the US, you have no right not to be offended. If it's a choice between less offense or more freedom, I feel more freedom is always the better choice.
I also feel that the ugliness you fear would be less than you expect, and you would get over it a lot quicker than you seem to think.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;33374321]I'm not sure how things are in the UK, but here in the US, you have no right not to be offended. If it's a choice between less offense or more freedom, I feel more freedom is always the better choice.
I also feel that the ugliness you fear would be less than you expect, and you would get over it a lot quicker than you seem to think.[/QUOTE]
Not to poo on that. But I don't like that logic.
"If it's a choice between less offense or more freedom, I feel more freedom is always the better choice."
People don't get by in communities and social groups by allowing everyone in the group to be as offensive as they want, in a smaller group you can just say "fuck him, he can go join another group if he doesn't like our urination habits!", but when it comes to society you kind of have to at least try and find a happy medium.
[QUOTE=NorthernGate;33374444]Not to poo on that. But I don't like that logic.
"If it's a choice between less offense or more freedom, I feel more freedom is always the better choice."
People don't get by in communities and social groups by allowing everyone in the group to be as offensive as they want, in a smaller group you can just say "fuck him, he can go join another group if he doesn't like our urination habits!", but when it comes to society you kind of have to at least try and find a happy medium.[/QUOTE]
I can't immediately think of anything in this country where liberty takes a back seat to an offense-free life (other than the laws this thread relates to). Harassing people may come close, but that's pretty far removed from merely offensive actions. Could you point out anything where you feel "Freedom of action, not freedom from offense" stops working, instead of a nebulous "I'm sure there's something."
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;33377522]I can't immediately think of anything in this country where liberty takes a back seat to an offense-free life (other than the laws this thread relates to). Harassing people may come close, but that's pretty far removed from merely offensive actions. Could you point out anything where you feel "Freedom of action, not freedom from offense" stops working, instead of a nebulous "I'm sure there's something."[/QUOTE]
Welp, I feel like the opinion stands pretty proudly on it's own just from the idea that it's possible things like this may occur in the future and it's best to prepare for them before hand. But there are already plenty of things in action today that I completely agree with. Arresting for Public indecency (Being out just letting your bits hand loose is pretty nasty and offensive to a majority of people and makes plenty uncomfortable), arresting for public urination (gross and offensive, but hey if you want to give this guy the freedom to piss on public property everywhere, go for it), arresting for public disturbances ...
Public Disturbances is probably the biggest one to my point though. You can be arrested for cursing in someones face too loudly, because they might get upset and violent; If you want to stand somewhere and be annoying by being extremely gross and smelly, you can be arrested for that too. And I'm okay with that, because it's better for one person to be tossed away for a night that to inconvenience many.
Anyways, I'm not that great and making a coherent thought, so if I keep talking about this I'll eventually get off point and stop making sense. I hope this helped show what I mean though.
[QUOTE=NorthernGate;33377829]Welp, I feel like the opinion stands pretty proudly on it's own just from the idea that it's possible things like this may occur in the future and it's best to prepare for them before hand.[/QUOTE]
We can't possibly deal with all possible offenses, nor would it be a sensible thing to do. Anyone can be offended by anything at any time; they need not even actually be offended to make the claim. This is why we side with evidence of harm, rather than concern over offense, for our laws.
[QUOTE]But there are already plenty of things in action today that I completely agree with. Arresting for Public indecency (Being out just letting your bits hand loose is pretty nasty and offensive to a majority of people and makes plenty uncomfortable)[/QUOTE]
That is sort of the topic of the thread, so assuming this stance as a matter of argument seems a bit silly. Why come to Mass Debate to argue, if you've assumed the conclusion of the argument? In any case, there is nothing inherently 'nasty' or 'offensive' about the human body. Most people in this country are brought up with these ideas taught to them, that they need to be ashamed of their body, that it's an ugly thing, etc. Other countries don't have this problem, while others still have far more rigid standards. Even America had ridiculously strict standards in the past, such as not allowing women to show their legs.
The trend of history has been less offense and disgust about the human body, which stands opposed, as far as I can tell, to your first statement of 'preparing for the future.'
[QUOTE]arresting for public urination (gross and offensive, but hey if you want to give this guy the freedom to piss on public property everywhere, go for it)[/QUOTE]
Public urination can cause damage and produces a foul smell. Not quite the same thing as someone being offended by how you look (well, how your 'naughty bits' look anyway).
[QUOTE]Public Disturbances is probably the biggest one to my point though. You can be arrested for cursing in someones face too loudly, because they might get upset and violent; If you want to stand somewhere and be annoying by being extremely gross and smelly, you can be arrested for that too. And I'm okay with that, because it's better for one person to be tossed away for a night that to inconvenience many.[/QUOTE]
Public disturbance is a way of accepting that some things make public spaces (and private spaces potentially) unusable by others for their intended purpose. Loud noises and foul smells render residential and commercial areas undesirable by most people. You can't avoid smells and sounds, while you can avoid someone who you find offensive in most cases. Where you can't (the person is purposefully blocking a path, or is up in your face), then that too becomes a public disturbance.
However, the basis of Public Disturbance is preventing people from denying the use of public spaces, not to prevent offense.
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