[QUOTE=Tetracycline;27034337]People find this okay because he was trying to murder people for his god
which is fucking retarded[/QUOTE]
Not really, it's because it's painful to die in that way.
[QUOTE=Uberslug;27034438]Who's we? :colbert:
[editline]28th December 2010[/editline]
He just said "death to all americans" is "fucking wrong," don't put words in his mouth.[/QUOTE]
"We" as in "the best part of the world" versus them aka "worse parts of this world".
We all know how all that media bullshit goes and how majority feels like - islam is bad exterminate all terrorists go go usa.
"Terrorists" are defending their values. Maybe their values are wrong for us, but they are right for them. Thanks to US campaign this isn't army versus army, but "soldiers of freedom" versus "cunts of hell", and we can't have clear view on the situation.
If we really want to go deeper, this war exists because both sides have different mentality. If you know history, we all know relations between Europe and arabs
it just goes on and on and we can't just force our mentality on them, and they can't do that either.
[QUOTE=Asphyxia;27034432]The terrorist was shooting mortars at either innocent civilians or american troops. There's no way that can be positive.[/QUOTE]
False dichotomy, you can't truly be sure of that. Warzones are often complicated locations, where different factions may encounter each other and battle it out.
This soldier may not be a soldier at all, maybe he is a local who was thrown out of his house in the depths of the early morning and forced by a group such as the Taliban to provide fire against their personal targets. On the other hand, he may be part of the counter-insurgency working to aid U.S forces. While my knowledge of warfare and the current situation in the Middle-East is sorely lacking, it is important to realize that while these aforementioned possible scenarios may not seem likely, they indeed are possible and we cannot brush them aside because of our personal biases.
It boils down to us having absolutely no idea.
Laugh if you will, or solemnly view it as a tragic outcome of war. But trying to apply objective "truths" to such a situation is a failure, and is only a waste of time.
[QUOTE=Billiam;27033129]If this guy died would it be funny?
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Soldier_firing_M224_60mm_mortar.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
This one isn't chanting allahu ackbar as he openly wishes to kill as many people as possible, and he doesn't want to see the complete destruction of multiple nations.
What we're seeing here are predominantly young teenagers, with immature understandings of world and life in general, posting about how they enjoyed watching a human die.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;27034638]This one isn't chanting allahu ackbar as he openly wishes to kill as many people as possible, and he doesn't want to see the complete destruction of multiple nations.[/QUOTE]
The guy in the OP isn't a redneck, imperialist invader.
See I can make assumptions too.
We are never going to understand others mentality. Why? Because we expect it to be different. That's wrong. It's like a program with a lot of variables that have same names but different values. I am pretty sure that if there would be "taliban" version of facepunch, there would be a thread with american soldier dying because his mortar fucked up and some of users are telling everyone that his death is a tragedy too
No yeah obviously he's not chanting allahu ackbar as he recklessly stuffs rounds into a mortar trying to shoot off as many as possible, I assumed all of that.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;27034638]This one isn't chanting allahu ackbar as he openly wishes to kill as many people as possible, and he doesn't want to see the complete destruction of multiple nations.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you are correct, maybe this person is indeed vehemently opposed to the the Western nations and maybe he is using his extremist religious ideologies to fuel his hate for whatever individuals may be residing within his "sights".
The point is that he is a human being. Whether he is a Taliban extremist fighting for his ideals or whether he is a U.S Army soldier involved in the same battle, there are so many factors involved that the only truly logical/empathetical avenue of response is to simply move on.
You may:
Laugh.
Cry.
Feel pity.
That's normal, you are a human being and thus subject to your countless past experiences and emotions that have shaped your current beliefs. But as I said, don't try to justify these reactions with your subjective views of the individual, it is useless and causes unneeded arguments between individuals. If you think you will be able to prove your beliefs, think again- it won't happen.
Or go ahead and do it anyways, shit, it provides some drama to read while bored.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;27034865]No yeah obviously he's not chanting allahu ackbar as he recklessly stuffs rounds into a mortar trying to shoot off as many as possible, I assumed all of that.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck is wrong with trying to shoot off as many mortar rounds as possible? It's a warzone, that's kind of what you're suppose to do if you're in a warzone.
Come to think of it, what's wrong with chanting Allahu Ackbar during war? People have called upon their God's in times of war since forever.
I think POL was bringing up the Allahu Akbar thing because it shows the guy is probably an Islamic extremist, and that brings with it a whole lot of implications like misogyny, irrational hatred, etc.
[QUOTE=Uberslug;27035214]I think POL was bringing up the Allahu Akbar thing because it shows the guy is probably an Islamic extremist, and that brings with it a whole lot of implications like misogyny, irrational hatred, etc.[/QUOTE]
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Our mentalities aren't so different after all. We both have our counterparts and stuff.
We just have to accept that instead of forcing everyone to think like us.
But, who am I, nothing more than random user on some small forum living average life, compared to nation leaders and huge authorities
[QUOTE=Billiam;27033129]If this guy died would it be funny?
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Soldier_firing_M224_60mm_mortar.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
No, but then again I don't need to worry about that because he has proper training with it.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;27035306]No, but then again I don't need to worry about that because he has proper training with it.[/QUOTE]
Everyone is saying this, but I think you're missing the point.
I did a little bit of looking around, and found that the explosion was due to U.S. counter fire.
It tracks the incoming projectile's path to find where the mortar comes from, then sends a mortar back.
Whoops wrong link
[QUOTE=Billiam;27035356]Everyone is saying this, but I think you're missing the point.[/QUOTE]
It's like damn basic logic and they still can't get it.
Biliam tried to make a "counterpart" of that situation in OP's video. This isn't really that hard!
[editline]29th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=that guy;27035375]I did a little bit of looking around, and found that the explosion was due to U.S. counter fire.
It tracks the incoming projectile's path to find where the mortar comes from, then sends a mortar back.
Whoops wrong link[/QUOTE]
Thanks for clarifying that up
[QUOTE=Nexosz;27035438]Thanks for clarifying that up[/QUOTE]
No problem.
theres a large difference between rebels and terrorists.
I didn't think his death was funny, but in my opinion, he deserved it.
[QUOTE=Nexosz;27035293][url]http://www.godhatesfags.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
I don't see them shooting mortars out of Topeka.
[editline]28th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Billiam;27034933]What the fuck is wrong with trying to shoot off as many mortar rounds as possible? It's a warzone, that's kind of what you're suppose to do if you're in a warzone.[/QUOTE]
That's not what the guy in the picture is doing.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;27035563]I don't see them shooting mortars out of Topeka.[/QUOTE]
I see them protesting funerals of american soldiers
also you got that analogy wrong, people "taught" by baptist church and other similar institutions can do such things, maybe not by killing, but there are other ways.
I mean damn there are no absolutes in war or anywhere but that doesn't mean you can equate an American soldier with an insurgent or whoever is in the video.
I foresee 5 pages of arguments.
[QUOTE=Dj-J3;27035752]I foresee 5 pages of arguments.[/QUOTE]
Knowing FP, I see 50.
Nah, this is Video section not GD. I would say a max of like 15.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;27035637]I mean damn there are no absolutes in war or anywhere but that doesn't mean you can equate an American soldier with an insurgent or whoever is in the video.[/QUOTE]
I agree, you cannot equate a soldier with the insurgent in the video. They are completely different individuals with totally different lives, beliefs, experiences, and traits. On the other hand, it's also not rational to place one individual as holding more value than another when we don't know any factual or objective truths about the individual in the first place (case in point: the "insurgent")
Loooooooool
[QUOTE=Kontradaz;27035910]Nah, this is Video section not GD. I would say a max of like 15.
I agree, you cannot equate a soldier with the insurgent in the video. They are compeltely different individuals with totally different lives, beliefs, experiences, and traits. On the other hand, it's also not rational to place one individual as holding more value than another when we don't know any factual or objective truths about the individual in the first place (case in point: the "insurgent")[/QUOTE]
Goddamn you are a fantastic writer. Anyone ever tell you that before?
[QUOTE=Poter;27025066][highlight](User was banned for this post ("Islamophobia" - Uberslug))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
:colbert:
[QUOTE=Asphyxia;27036240]Goddamn you are a fantastic writer. Anyone ever tell you that before?[/QUOTE]
I don't think I'm a great writer at all, but I'll answer your question.
Yes, a teacher once did. But then he told me it was all bullshit and that he didn't actually gather anything substantial or concrete from my writings. It's a double-edged sword sometimes...
Thanks for the compliment though, it's highly appreciated!
[QUOTE=Wirexia;27033979]that doesn't mean there can't happen any self-inflicted deaths for the US[/QUOTE]
way to take a joke and over-analyze it
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;27035563]That's not what the guy in the picture is doing.[/QUOTE]
So?
[editline]28th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;27035637]I mean damn there are no absolutes in war or anywhere but that doesn't mean you can equate an American soldier with an insurgent or whoever is in the video.[/QUOTE]
Sure you can, they're both people fighting for a cause.
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