[QUOTE=Lankist;35916855]No it seriously isn't. Not even weak. Inadmissible.[/QUOTE]
i'm not talking about courts
if there was zero correspondence between that which is spoken and that which is real, the complex evolutionary adaption known as "speech" would never have developed.
[QUOTE=Megafan;35913477]I'll say this right now, that eyewitnesses are not considered evidence. It's not up for debate.[/QUOTE]
I guess that I can say online articles are just as unreliable. After all, it's just a bunch of people saying things!
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[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;35916067]There is a distinction between rational evidence and legal evidence. Eyewitness evidence is still rational evidence, it's just extremely weak.[/QUOTE]
This. Yes, eyewitnesses aren't exactly the most reliable, but they're still evidence nonetheless.
[QUOTE=deaded38;35918533]This. Yes, eyewitnesses aren't exactly the most reliable, but they're still evidence nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
Though as Lankist correctly notes, not in courts of law.
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Dude seriously, leave this debate you clearly have no idea what the criteria for evidence is.[/QUOTE]
I won't leave this debate until I am provided with better evidence than the eyewitnesses, which you should have since clearly ghosts aren't real.
[QUOTE=deaded38;35918576]I won't leave this debate until I am provided with better evidence than the eyewitnesses, which you should have since clearly ghosts aren't real.[/QUOTE]
It's up to YOU to provide evidence for magical flying shades that are immortal and that exist in every living being ever.
You can't disprove them anyway, if they are supernatural. Supernatural beings are infallible, which are in turn unfalsifiable. If something is unfalsifiable it's bullshit.
[QUOTE=deaded38;35918576]I won't leave this debate until I am provided with better evidence than the eyewitnesses, which you should have since clearly ghosts aren't real.[/QUOTE]
I saw a ghost once but it wasn't a ghost it was a warlock. My testimony is evidence of warlocks.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;35918507]i'm not talking about courts
if there was zero correspondence between that which is spoken and that which is real, the complex evolutionary adaption known as "speech" would never have developed.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I know.
Eye-witness testimony is completely inadmissible in SCIENCE.
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Find ONE reputable scientific theory which is supported by eye-witness testimony.
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Hell, not even GRAVITY, as a theory, recognizes eye-witness testimony. It is supported by objective, reproducible, EMPIRICAL evidence. The mathematical proofs which explained previously unobserved phenomenon (black holes) were later observed out here in reality. Not once did any scientist say "I saw X happen so it's true." (And before you say it, Netwon's Apple is about as true as Franklin's kite or Washington's cherry tree.)
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[QUOTE=deaded38;35918576]I won't leave this debate until I am provided with better evidence than the eyewitnesses, which you should have since clearly ghosts aren't real.[/QUOTE]
I won't leave this discussion until I am provided better evidence for the nonexistence of Russel's Teapot.
[QUOTE=deaded38;35918576]I won't leave this debate until I am provided with better evidence than the eyewitnesses, which you should have since clearly ghosts aren't real.[/QUOTE]
Here's the kicker, you made the positive comment that ghosts exist first, the burden of proof lies with you since you are trying to prove the existence.
[QUOTE=deaded38;35918576]I won't leave this debate until I am provided with better evidence than the eyewitnesses, which you should have since clearly ghosts aren't real.[/QUOTE]
All of modern biology, chemistry, and physics.
[QUOTE=deaded38;35918576]I won't leave this debate until I am provided with better evidence than the eyewitnesses, which you should have since clearly ghosts aren't real.[/QUOTE]
You can't prove a negative. This has been said the whole thread.
[QUOTE=deaded38;35918576]I won't leave this debate until I am provided with better evidence than the eyewitnesses, which you should have since clearly ghosts aren't real.[/QUOTE] I will prove to you that ghosts are real with one easy experiment. During a full moon, go into the bathroom and turn out the lights. Look in the mirror and say "bloody mary" 3 times and then spin 3 times. If something happens, you will have proved the existence of ghosts, if nothing happens, ghosts are probably not real. ;)
I do a lot of ghost hunting as a hobby, I will sit around in all these creaky buildings and for the most part, a lot of the paranormal activity can be disproven.
The kinds that can't are the ones that actually affect you and are caught on camera.
Its only happened twice but I was scratched at one point while were investigating this old church that become a gang hideout.
The second time I was at an insane asylum and I got shoved down stairs. That wasn't fun, and we had to cut off the investigation to get me to the hospital because I had blacked out for a second. The group I was with didn't want to take chances.
Other than that, photographic evidence and video evidence can be compelling, but only if you cannot repeat the the image or series of images(in video's case) using the site itself and our equipment. One of the biggest things that causes mistakes is we forget we're using our equipment. So we spend one day hunting, and the next two days trying to disprove everything.
It sucks up a lot of time, its tedious and its most of the time un-eventful and boring.
Wait, so to prove ghosts, you have to be unable to reproduce the data?
Well that sounds dumb as fuck.
[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;35992790]Its only happened twice but I was scratched at one point while were investigating this old church that become a gang hideout.[/quote]
you should probably get checked for AIDS
[quote]The second time I was at an insane asylum and I got shoved down stairs. That wasn't fun, and we had to cut off the investigation to get me to the hospital because I had blacked out for a second. The group I was with didn't want to take chances.[/quote]
you probably slipped. if you actually blacked out then I don't trust your memory of what happened before
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;35996801]you probably slipped. if you actually blacked out then I don't trust your memory of what happened before[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about, I blacked out once and I have a clear recollection of flying besides a 747 in a sea of golden clouds right before passing out, must have happened.
I'm 19 now, but when I was 14 I was pushed down the steps by something. No bullshit. I was walking down the hall from my bedroom and stood at the top of the steps asking my mother a question, when suddenly I felt hands, yes, hands, push me from behind. It made me stumble down the steps about halfway. I literally almost pissed myself and bolted down the steps and straight into the kitchen freaking the fuck out in front of my mother.
Now, this isn't saying that I believe in ghosts or spirits. I'm just saying that something was wrong with that house. So glad I moved out.
What I DO believe is that all living organisms have distinct energy that is released upon death, and that is what people feel when they talk about ghosts and shit.
Or something like that.
[QUOTE=Amplified;36013003]I'm 19 now, but when I was 14 I was pushed down the steps by something. No bullshit. I was walking down the hall from my bedroom and stood at the top of the steps asking my mother a question, when suddenly I felt hands, yes, hands, push me from behind. It made me stumble down the steps about halfway. I literally almost pissed myself and bolted down the steps and straight into the kitchen freaking the fuck out in front of my mother.
Now, this isn't saying that I believe in ghosts or spirits. I'm just saying that something was wrong with that house. So glad I moved out.
[b]What I DO believe is that all living organisms have distinct energy that is released upon death, and that is what people feel when they talk about ghosts and shit.[/b]
Or something like that.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why you would believe that, there's absolutely no evidence of that besides the chemical energy in the body being released over time as the chemical bonds that hold our body together not being sustained by the previously ongoing chemical reactions in the body.
You thought you felt something touch your back and you fell down the stairs. Do you think the most logical explanation is that a flying invisible man pushed you for absolutely no reason? Or maybe perhaps you got lightheaded, or you had a tickle go down your back and you flinched, and you tripped down the stairs?
[QUOTE=King Tiger;36013026]You thought you felt something touch your back and you fell down the stairs. Do you think the most logical explanation is that a flying invisible man pushed you for absolutely no reason? Or maybe perhaps you got lightheaded, or you had a tickle go down your back and you flinched, and you tripped down the stairs?[/QUOTE]
[quote=Amplified]Now, this isn't saying that I believe in ghosts or spirits.[/quote]
Plus, like I said, I was 14.
[QUOTE=Amplified;36013003]What I DO believe is that all living organisms have distinct energy that is released upon death, and that is what people feel when they talk about ghosts and shit.[/QUOTE]
I hate it when people say shit like this.
That is not how energy works. Energy is not a thing, not like that. Energy is a capacity for work in a physical system. There is no such thing as "pure energy" or "distinct energy" or anything like that. When you die, your energy goes to worms, bacteria and other decomposers, who then redeposit it in the soil along with the rest of the matter that composes you.
[QUOTE=Amplified;36013223]Plus, like I said, I was 14.[/QUOTE]
They why post your story if you don't even believe it was ghosts or paranormal activity?
[QUOTE=Lankist;36016119]I hate it when people say shit like this.
That is not how energy works. Energy is not a thing, not like that. Energy is a capacity for work in a physical system. There is no such thing as "pure energy" or "distinct energy" or anything like that. When you die, your energy goes to worms, bacteria and other decomposers, who then redeposit it in the soil along with the rest of the matter that composes you.[/QUOTE]
This.
It's even worse when they do that whole 23/24 grams argument and claim it's energy or a soul and not just fucking gases released post mortem.
Just a question, if a person blows up a haunted house with c4 and dynamite, will it still be haunted?
[QUOTE=BCell;36028550]Just a question, if a person blows up a haunted house with c4 and dynamite, will it still be haunted?[/QUOTE]
haunted crater.
What if a ghost is a guy on a radio speaking about his politic oppinions and get nagged on by bronies from monday to friday?
I do not believe ghosts exist. I believe it is merely the part of our brain that calculates cause and effect to jump to conclusions in the face of confusing events. Humans are also prone to being scared of the dark as an instinct, which makes humans more likely to attribute things we don't know with the dark which is the fear of the unknown.
my mother believes that ghosts are real in the sense that there are incorporeal beings on this earth, but that they are not the spirits of the dead. "that's just what they (the ghosts) want you to think."
[QUOTE=bhomer2;36076167]my mother believes that ghosts are real in the sense that there are incorporeal beings on this earth, but that they are not the spirits of the dead. "that's just what they (the ghosts) want you to think."[/QUOTE]
Cool. My mom believes that there are flying purple elephants prancing about through the sky at all hours. They are invisible and undetectable though.
First, I shall say that I believe in ghosts. This is an area of study for me, and has been for a long time.
I can speak of one case in which a friend tells me that she has a wardrobe that's haunted. She's an atheist and doesn't seem to believe in an afterlife, despite the fact that she has seen the actual ghost of her grandmother near the wardrobe, it pops open when she talks bad about her mother, and when underwear disappears it can be found in the bottom drawer, folded. Now, she believes that ghosts are something science will explain, and I can't see why she's still an atheist, because if there is such a medium for non-corporeal beings, I don't see why there couldn't be more beyond that.
But that's anecdotal, and won't turn any of you. Perhaps something scientifically gained will be more convincing.
If you have time, watch this.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_O9Qiwqew[/media]
In that video, Dean Radin shows a significant amount of data from various repeatable studies, and shows some very interesting anomalies that would seem to verify the existence what would otherwise be called the paranormal.
He says, more or less, that the reason that you don't see more is because the scientific community basically ostracizes anyone looking into paranormal research, and that evidence pulled from that research is very difficult to publish for that reason. If something paranormal occurs then they'll likely write it off as a scientific anomaly and then forget about it instead of investigating further. If they do seriously start looking into it then this can negatively reflect upon their academic reputation.
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