• When's a man not a man; when's a woman not a woman
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Of course they can stick around and the topic should be discussed, I apologize my aggressive tone earlier. This thing just gives me a rash and gets under my skin, because people saying those things get pats in the back and people stare at me blankly for having the nerve to point out "you would hate it too if people treated you like shit". I bet Papu and Jetblack are just fine in person, and most likely would not personally attack a transperson. Maybe talk crap behind their back but that's quite normal for anyone to do. Things on the internet get a bit over-emphasized sometimes, it's ok, but I do still wholeheartedly suggest them both to find some understanding for people with difficult diseases, which has just recently become less of an taboo so that they can finally crawl out from their closets. It's not easy for either side, but things are going to work out, the human race has only gotten better when it comes to love and acceptance, with organized religion soon becoming a minority's thing, we'll be headed to a healthy society with less of "shit", and more "problems" with good, healthy solutions : 3 I mean, it'd be HUGE if just a thread made them think differently. Just giving them the second opinion is awesome, if they'd actually question theirs it would be amazing. I'm not expecting that, but I have hope for people, I wouldn't be typing so much (even if it was just sentimental logical fallacies without facts and statistics to back up my claims) if I thought there's no hope.
I used to think that transpeople were either just gay or sexual deviants, typical of someone with a catholic upbringing. Then I got out of high school and started going to college. There I met a crazy huge variety of people, among those, transpeople. The more I began to talk to them, the more I came to understand what things were like for them. It really made me feel bad about the way I felt before. They're only trying to pursue happiness like any normal human being, but people still treat them like shit. It's even socially acceptable to do so. Life is hard enough dealing with gender dysphoria, let alone being demonized for your condition. But like anything else, the more we can educate people, the better it gets.
[QUOTE=Karjanainen;30982644] Unfortunately nothing, the pitchforks and torches and angry hicks still exist. But I'm optimistic and believe one day they'll pick up a book or two on psychology, philosophy and common sense and think for a second before blurting an un-educated and inflammatory opinion. I see your point, but it's a terrible point in my opinion, and we as a society should not conform to people being violent towards minorities, let alone condone the said violence ourselves. You don't have to talk to her, I just think you're disregarding the fact that you're personally attacking a huge lot of people with your blanket insults. People are miserable because you people keep putting them down, not because they're weird. PS. She's not going to attack you either because she loves to talk about this stuff, I just thought that people who seem so scared of transpeople might have a huge lot of unanswered questions that should be dealt with. She most likely knows what you're going through, having been a skinhead and a horrible homophobe herself earlier.[/QUOTE] "You like swiss cheese?" "Nah i pre-" "You want a piece?" "No i-" "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FUCKING EAT IT!" Okay lets lose the bullshit. May I confort you in the thought that optimism doesn't change the world. We've tried that in the 60s. Now, i am not somekind of teenager balancing between evil and good, fucking jing jang and all that shit. I'm quite old considering the average age of facepunchers, stubborn and i don't give a crap expecially at this state of mind. I don't think you can comprehend the fact that there's much bigger things in the world than fucking converting people into retardness or being the king of retards. You're worried about something that barely matters in this world. You might aswell ask my opinion on the fucking abortion and then tell me "NO FUCK YOU THIS IS HOW IT IS". These are minor problems which have became huge problems because a small group of people wishes to fucking change everything. And this is super hilarious because there is no fucking problem, but lets pretend there is and what makes you think that you're able to achieve something that no one has ever done? Maybe its just that it rotates around your life since as you advertise apparently all your friends are transexuals, Maybe you're a closet transexual or you're the kind of person who leeches off from weaker people. Don't worry, You're not alone, But i prefer rubbing shoulders with people who are useful to me. but i'd be glad if you could take this discussion between you and me to the general level considering that you wish to continue it. If you don't then you can keep on rolling things the way you want but i think it's somewhat over atleast between us because i don't want this to become a flame war. Now i'm going to say this now as it doesn't appear to be painfully obvious. I do not wish to talk to this ex-skinhead transexual friend of yours. Okay?
[QUOTE=papu2;30979749] If you see a guy and a gal walking down the street and the gal is wearing fullbody latex clothing, she has a collar and a gasmask. What'd you think? You know, could they have a thing for it or is it just lady gaga taking a walk? Oh wait.[/QUOTE] Would you like to tell me how that's an acceptable analogy
[QUOTE=papu2;30983879]"You like swiss cheese?" "Nah i pre-" "You want a piece?" "No i-" "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FUCKING EAT IT!" Okay lets lose the bullshit. May I confort you in the thought that optimism doesn't change the world. We've tried that in the 60s. Now, i am not somekind of teenager balancing between evil and good, fucking jing jang and all that shit. I'm quite old considering the average age of facepunchers, stubborn and i don't give a crap expecially at this state of mind. I don't think you can comprehend the fact that there's much bigger things in the world than fucking converting people into retardness or being the king of retards. You're worried about something that barely matters in this world. You might aswell ask my opinion on the fucking abortion and then tell me "NO FUCK YOU THIS IS HOW IT IS". These are minor problems which have became huge problems because a small group of people wishes to fucking change everything. And this is super hilarious because there is no fucking problem, but lets pretend there is and what makes you think that you're able to achieve something that no one has ever done? Maybe its just that it rotates around your life since as you advertise apparently all your friends are transexuals, Maybe you're a closet transexual or you're the kind of person who leeches off from weaker people. Don't worry, You're not alone, But i prefer rubbing shoulders with people who are useful to me. but i'd be glad if you could take this discussion between you and me to the general level considering that you wish to continue it. If you don't then you can keep on rolling things the way you want but i think it's somewhat over atleast between us because i don't want this to become a flame war. Now i'm going to say this now as it doesn't appear to be painfully obvious. I do not wish to talk to this ex-skinhead transexual friend of yours. Okay?[/QUOTE] Close your mouth. Open your eyes. You'll find the world is an amazing place in the right light.
[QUOTE=Kurtzund;30984092]Close your mouth. Open your eyes. You'll find the world is an amazing place in the right light.[/QUOTE] My eyes are open, I see a bunch of inept morons using the fact that they've been "educated" to promote turning people into scientific abominations.
Welp, I will live. Luckily me making my own life and my friends' lives seem better by not telling them "you have useless little problems I could just as well be sympathetic towards but I choose to be a total asshole because there just happens to be bigger issues and I honestly think people think I'm going to sound smart by saying this" is the least of your concerns too, and you can live in your horrible monstrous stuck up world. There's enough space for me to waltz around and skip on the fields with my rainbowy friends, even with your horribly childish attitude, ignorant spite, stuck up inflated self-image and obviously delusionally negative view on the world and people around you inhabitating a small piece of this planet. I can only hope that attitude like yours doesn't copulate. I cannot fathom how someone can live in such a miserable world like how you see it. Even as such I hope you some day realize that you could just sit back and relax one day. Also, it's a good thing you still believe in individual's freedom, like you mentioned. You're certainly not the worst kind of person, but I find your general attitude very disagreeable and honestly, I'd prefer nothing to do with your kind but unfortunately we'll have to deal with each other, being stuck on the same rock and all.
[QUOTE=Kurtzund;30984092]Close your mouth. Open your eyes. You'll find the world is an amazing place in the right light.[/QUOTE] Or if you want to put it other way: World is an amaizing place when you close your to actual problems.
At least I tried :v: I don't blame myself for not getting through to the permanently pessimistic, it's your choice if that feels good and stuff
[QUOTE=Karjanainen;30984176]At least I tried :v: I don't blame myself for not getting through to the permanently pessimistic, it's your choice if that feels good and stuff[/QUOTE] Theres nothing pessimistic about stating the truth. Which is you all can't deal with the real problems, you just run and hide.
[QUOTE=papu2;30984166]Or if you want to put it other way: World is an amaizing place when you close your to actual problems.[/QUOTE] You're blinded by cynicism and anger.
I just want to clarify something. Let's say someone has GID. This becomes a "problem" because they believe they were born in the wrong body. So they take steps to right the issue in the best way they can see, which is to change their body as much as they can to the body that they want. How is this running from the issue? How is conforming to society's standards of forcing yourself to live in a way that you honestly do not enjoy fixing the issue, and not running from it?
If you identify as a woman, you're a woman. If you identify as a man, you're a man.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;30982422]No, I care because it shows how much the human race as a whole is degrading. Every day now you see people losing more and more self control and responsibility for one's own actions. I mean, seriously. You can't come to terms with yourself as a male or female human being so you get yourself changed into a pseudo version of the opposite sex? Im sorry, but that just sounds like you're a ridiculously big asshole for not even being able to deal with your OWN body. If you can't control that then your just an emotionally unstable reckless fuck.[/QUOTE] Wow. WOOOW. You're an idiot.
[QUOTE=Zeldy;30984982]Wow. WOOOW. You're an idiot.[/QUOTE] I think you're an idiot.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;30985526]I think you're an idiot.[/QUOTE] Then do tell, how exactly does "not being able to DEAL with your own body", make someone an asshole?
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;30984146]My eyes are open, I see a bunch of inept morons using the fact that they've been "educated" to promote turning people into scientific abominations.[/QUOTE] I think you're the abomination who needs to be cleansed.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;30984146]My eyes are open, I see a bunch of inept morons using the fact that they've been "educated" to promote turning people into scientific abominations.[/QUOTE] y'know I was gonna be angry, I really was. Then I realized just how stupid you are. Good luck living in a world changing that's changing every day into a more accepting place. there is not much place in the world for people like you, and it only grows smaller everyday. So I hope you find some small corner of people who don't mind bigots such as yourself.
I wish I was born a girl. I pass off pretty well as a trap but I think I would have liked being a real girl better. Why do I not take hormones or anything, you may ask? Well... It's kinda hard to explain, but I think it's as simple as: because I'm not unhappy. I don't hate having a male(although quite girly) body. I don't think that doing something like that would make me any difference in the long run. It's just a matter of body to me, because... I absolutely hate the stupid social concepts of gender. I hate how girls and boys are supposed to act differently, I hate how things with a vagina are supposed to like Barbies and things with a penis are supposed to like wrestling and being Saxton Hale. I prefer to view the population as "humans" rather than "boys and girls" as if we were a different species. The only reason females usually like shit like princesses in pretty pink and guys don't is because of the way our shitty society raises them, and that is also the reason you guys are intolerant, ignorant assholes. So, for me, since I don't identify as being the opposite gender trapped in a males's body(due to the lack of any difference between girls and guys mentally) and since I can just put on a bra and girl's clothes to pass of as a girl, there's no reason for me to do anything. I apologize for any spelling errors, you need fingers like cocktail sticks to be able to type fast and properly on an iPhone.
Ha, I remember you and your funny threads OP :suicide:
My opinion is that, it's your body, you do what you want with it. Even if it is a bit weird.
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;30992974]I wish I was born a girl. I pass off pretty well as a trap but I think I would have liked being a real girl better. Why do I not take hormones or anything, you may ask? Well... It's kinda hard to explain, but I think it's as simple as: because I'm not unhappy. I don't hate having a male(although quite girly) body. I don't think that doing something like that would make me any difference in the long run. It's just a matter of body to me, because... I absolutely hate the stupid social concepts of gender. I hate how girls and boys are supposed to act differently, I hate how things with a vagina are supposed to like Barbies and things with a penis are supposed to like wrestling and being Saxton Hale. I prefer to view the population as "humans" rather than "boys and girls" as if we were a different species. The only reason females usually like shit like princesses in pretty pink and guys don't is because of the way our shitty society raises them, and that is also the reason you guys are intolerant, ignorant assholes. So, for me, since I don't identify as being the opposite gender trapped in a males's body(due to the lack of any difference between girls and guys mentally) and since I can just put on a bra and girl's clothes to pass of as a girl, there's no reason for me to do anything. I apologize for any spelling errors, you need fingers like cocktail sticks to be able to type fast and properly on an iPhone.[/QUOTE] Agree 10000000%. Gender stereotypes/gender ideals are complete utter bullshit. I'm a guy, I have a feminine figure, I have somewhat feminine hair, I like fashion, I like to cook, I like "girly" music (as if there's such a thing), I don't care much for most sports, I like to watch chick flicks and eat cookie dough, etc. Yes, every once in a while people give me shit for it because they have these ideas of gender roles ingrained into their minds, but it doesn't phase me. It just shows me that we, as a global society, need more education to teach us understanding and tolerance.
[QUOTE=Upgrade123;30995070]Agree 10000000%. Gender stereotypes/gender ideals are complete utter bullshit. I'm a guy, I have a feminine figure, I have somewhat feminine hair, I like fashion, I like to cook, I like "girly" music (as if there's such a thing), I don't care much for most sports, I like to watch chick flicks and eat cookie dough, etc. Yes, every once in a while people give me shit for it because they have these ideas of gender roles ingrained into their minds, but it doesn't phase me. It just shows me that we, as a global society, need more education to teach us understanding and tolerance.[/QUOTE] To be fair, cooking and cookie dough are pretty awesome.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;30985526]I think you're an idiot.[/QUOTE] I didn't do anything to show that I'm an idiot. You on the other hand, shat on the thread with your idiocy. You. Are. An. Idiot.
[QUOTE=Upgrade123;30995070]Agree 10000000%. Gender stereotypes/gender ideals are complete utter bullshit. I'm a guy, I have a feminine figure, I have somewhat feminine hair, I like fashion, I like to cook, I like "girly" music (as if there's such a thing), I don't care much for most sports, I like to watch chick flicks and eat cookie dough, etc. Yes, every once in a while people give me shit for it because they have these ideas of gender roles ingrained into their minds, but it doesn't phase me. It just shows me that we, as a global society, need more education to teach us understanding and tolerance.[/QUOTE] I, too, like cookie dough and I hate most sports except for one kind... 4-wheel motorsports. Yes, cars are my weakness.
[QUOTE=Seiteki;30911274]A person's gender can be influenced by their sex, and with most people, it is. Trangendered individuals see themselves as in the wrong body, their gender identity not correlating to their physical sex. Basically, if you're physically male but think of yourself as female, then your gender is female. The opposite works as well, physically female but male as your gender. I still find it hard to understand how so many people can mix these two up.[/QUOTE] I still find it hard to understand how people can be born as a girl only inside their own mind and not as an actual girl.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;30996185]I still find it hard to understand how people can be born as a girl only inside their own mind and not as an actual girl.[/QUOTE] I don't, since I've dated someone in a similar situation. They were physically female but mentally male. I'm not quite sure how it's worked for them, but I think they're on the way towards their surgery.
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;30996082]I, too, like cookie dough and I hate most sports except for one kind... 4-wheel motorsports. Yes, cars are my weakness.[/QUOTE] For me, the only sports I totally enjoy are disc golf and dodgeball. And motherfucking hide-and-seek tag.
[QUOTE=Upgrade123;30999336]For me, the only sports I totally enjoy are disc golf and dodgeball. And motherfucking hide-and-seek tag.[/QUOTE] For me it's just Basketball.
[QUOTE=phobia-_-;30910896]Gender is what you are, I could feel like an elephant but It doesnt mean I am one Bonus Identity is important because its who you are and something you will always have[/QUOTE] Actually, from what I learned as a sociology major, gender is defined as a social construction, meaning that it isn't based on the biological sex. It's based on identity and socially acceptable categories. In some cultures, there are more than two categories of sex, not being limited to just male and female.
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