[QUOTE=space toe;23326757]they also fire a shitty bullet and are more expensive[/QUOTE]
Because there is no option at all for a .380 or a 9x19mm Walther PP.
[QUOTE=Amplar;23318508]and I live in phoenix, arizona, which is rampant with crime.[/QUOTE]
I do to, well Glendale technically, but nonetheless part of Phoenix, and also rampant with crime. All those damn beaners walking around, gotta have a gun to fend em off.
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Yea keep running Pedro.
[QUOTE=-Matt-94;23345376]I do to, well Glendale technically, but nonetheless part of Phoenix, and also rampant with crime. All those damn beaners walking around, gotta have a gun to fend em off.
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Yea keep running Pedro.[/QUOTE]
I like the not-veiled-at-all racism in that post.
He might whip out that Mauser Mp5, be careful!
Man this thread went to shit fast... I am alas Australian also and there is tons of bullshit to go through if you want to own a gun, some time in the future I might get around to getting one, unt only when i have tons of cash and time to deal with the paper work.
[QUOTE=Siminov;23347115]He might whip out that Mauser Mp5, be careful![/QUOTE]
Its OK, I got him covered with my Walther BAR :v:
Protip: you paid $200 to much.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;23331225]I've fired a 1911 before. It takes some practice to hit reliably.
.357 revolver on the other hand, those are wonderful to shoot. :biggrin:[/QUOTE]
If your 1911 is not shooting straight, you need to punch the bore, or your sights are misaligned.
At least in my experience.
You guys can suck my balls.
I have me a big ass Barrett 50. cal.
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You're almost a full day late for that joke.
[QUOTE=Siminov;23322380]lol, not only are CZ82's ugly, but you could have probably gotten a better deal and a better looking gun, like the Tokarev TT33.[/QUOTE]
Looks don't mean jack fucking [i]SHIT[/i] kid. This ain't a fashion show.
The Tokarev is a good reliable pistol, but it's crude, unergonomic, lower capacity, and has less overall collector's value. Not to mention 7.62x25 is more expensive than 9x18 makarov.
The CZ 82 is a great pistol. My father has an 83, which is basically the same thing in .380. It's smooth as fuck, built like a rock, compact, feels great, and you got 13 rounds of .380. The 9x18 magazines can be loaded with it and used even.
Bring it to school and show it off to your teachers.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;23346894]I like the not-veiled-at-all racism in that post.[/QUOTE]
Given the overall sarcastic tone and tongue in cheek satire in this thread, you would have to be a real idiot to actually take what he said seriously.
I didn't realize illegal immigrants are a race, either.
[QUOTE=Loen;23356131]Looks don't mean jack fucking [i]SHIT[/i] kid. This ain't a fashion show.
The Tokarev is a good reliable pistol, but it's crude, unergonomic, lower capacity, and has less overall collector's value. Not to mention 7.62x25 is more expensive than 9x18 makarov.
The CZ 82 is a great pistol. My father has an 83, which is basically the same thing in .380. It's smooth as fuck, built like a rock, compact, feels great, and you got 13 rounds of .380. The 9x18 magazines can be loaded with it and used even.[/QUOTE]
The Tokarev has a lower capacity because it fires a bullet with more power, neither weapon has any collectors value, It depends on the ammo but they are both of the same expense from what i've seen.
[B]which is rampant with crime.[/B]
because of guns...?
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[QUOTE=-Matt-94;23345376]Yea keep running Pedro.[/QUOTE]
I Lol'd.
[QUOTE=Impracticable;23359263][B]which is rampant with crime.[/B]
because of guns...?
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because no one has guns to shoot the criminals.
Criminals dont like to be shot, causing crime rates to drop.
hot
i agree
Alright, let's break out the Panzerfausts, people...
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[QUOTE=Siminov;23359100]The Tokarev has a lower capacity because it fires a bullet with more power, neither weapon has any collectors value, It depends on the ammo but they are both of the same expense from what i've seen.[/QUOTE]
[i]Every[/i] weapon has collectors value. If it didn't, it would be worthless.
7.62x25 tokarev does have good penetration, but ballisticly speaking it's roughly about the same, maybe marginally more powerful than 9x18.
It's not like 9x18 is a weak round, it's perfectly adequate. 12 beats 8 if you ask me.
Besides, 7.62x25 would just over-penetrate in a self defense situation.
I have two of them. I love them to death <3
[QUOTE=Siminov;23359100]The Tokarev has a lower capacity because it fires a bullet with more power, neither weapon has any collectors value, It depends on the ammo but they are both of the same expense from what i've seen.[/QUOTE]
Would you rather have a weapon that has 8 rounds of high-powered ammunition (you only have 8 chances to hit your target- he'll go down with one hit but you might not have enough for a follow up if he gets back up) or a weapon that has 13 adequately lethal rounds (13 chances to hit your target- even if he's not down, you can still deliver follow ups)
I believe shit like that is all up to the operator. I for one like the idea of carrying around a .45 because I have heard all my life how it's a manstopper and because it is bulkier, I have that feeling of "I have an unopened can of whoopass in my pocket" It's a psychological thing for me. At the same time, however, there are people who prefer smaller rounds with larger capacities. That is their opinion, that is what makes them comfortable.
Most of you people seem to disregard the human psyche when you bicker with each other about the same shit over and over again. Some people PREFER something over another because that is what they are comfortable with. It might not be logistically the right choice, but maybe the person in question doesn't feel comfortable with something.
That said, enjoy your new pistol, OP. It's a fun little gun.
Why the fuck would you buy a gun? Seriously all they're good for is trouble and death, they should be outlawed completely..
Just trollin'. That's a good-looking, efficient pistol you got there. Once I move out of here and get my own place, I'm definitely getting one of my own (not that particular kind, something a little cheaper probably).
[QUOTE=Loen;23356131]Looks don't mean jack fucking [i]SHIT[/i] kid. This ain't a fashion show.
The Tokarev is a good reliable pistol, but it's crude, unergonomic, lower capacity, and has less overall collector's value. Not to mention 7.62x25 is more expensive than 9x18 makarov.
The CZ 82 is a great pistol. My father has an 83, which is basically the same thing in .380. It's smooth as fuck, built like a rock, compact, feels great, and you got 13 rounds of .380. The 9x18 magazines can be loaded with it and used even.[/QUOTE]
You really can't compare 7.62x25mm and 9x18mm, because you won't find either in gun stores.
I have a CZ 82 and I tried out Silver Bear 9x18mm, I clean my gun daily and the thing can't hit shit. I have done minor and major adjustments and overall its a piece only useful for collecting.
Seriously, you can't even compare it to now-day's weapons. Its probably like comparing a horse to a corvette, but yea my HK USP .40, and Glock 19 9x19mm are way more accurate.
[QUOTE=Siminov;23359100]The Tokarev has a lower capacity because it fires a bullet with more power, neither weapon has any collectors value, It depends on the ammo but they are both of the same expense from what i've seen.[/QUOTE]
No, tokarev has lower cap cause it has a single stack magazine.
If I had to choose between the CZ pistols and the Tokarev.
The CZ pistols are what replaced the Tokarev in the first place, so it's obvious that they are better in some way, at least for the use in the military.
The 7.62x25 round is not very accurate since it is a very large round. It is more powerful though. So, there's a trade off.
The Tokarev holds less rounds. It is older, so it isn't perfectly fair to put these two weapons face to face. The Tokarev really isn't a weapon you should be using for self defense or anything, just for the novelty of it being the russian World War 2 pistol. That's it.
[QUOTE=Asswipe;23399157]You really can't compare 7.62x25mm and 9x18mm, because you won't find either in gun stores.[/QUOTE]
They sell that ammo in my local gun store. I live in California. Plus, internet.
[QUOTE]I have a CZ 82 and I tried out Silver Bear 9x18mm, I clean my gun daily and the thing can't hit shit. I have done minor and major adjustments and overall its a piece only useful for collecting.[/QUOTE]
From the looks of the weapon and its ballistics, it's meant for engagements under 15-20 yards. It's not like you need anything more than that when you're using a weapon that was predominantly CC'd. Try shooting closer.
[QUOTE]Seriously, you can't even compare it to now-day's weapons. Its probably like comparing a horse to a corvette, but yea my HK USP .40, and Glock 19 9x19mm are way more accurate.[/QUOTE]
So a CZ-82 build in 1985 chambered in .380 is not as effective as a Colt Mustang built in 2005 chambered in the same caliber? And of course they are more accurate. They are full-length pistols. The CZ in question is a pocket pistol in a pocket pistol caliber. You can't compare them at all seeing that they are meant for two completely different scenarios.
[QUOTE=Asswipe;23399157]You really can't compare 7.62x25mm and 9x18mm, because you won't find either in gun stores.
I have a CZ 82 and I tried out Silver Bear 9x18mm, I clean my gun daily and the thing can't hit shit. I have done minor and major adjustments and overall its a piece only useful for collecting.
Seriously, you can't even compare it to now-day's weapons. Its probably like comparing a horse to a corvette, but yea my HK USP .40, and Glock 19 9x19mm are way more accurate.[/QUOTE]
what? i found 9x18 extremely easy to find in stores. you're a bad shot if your cz is inaccurate. they have polygonal rifling, they're very accurate for their barrel length. i found they're more accurate than other contemporary 9mms.
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