• My hate towards my home country and the people who lead it.
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[QUOTE=RichyZ;32074005]go to america it has really good leaders and the cleanest government around, it also has a[B] metric[/B] fuckton of freedom fuck yeah[/QUOTE] Ohohoho
Since I got 10 agrees against 1 disagree on my previous post I decided to write up a bit of critique. I found this to be a difficult read as. What I'd compare it to is a rant about George Bush that just says "I don't like Bush" over and over again. I suppose if you can do it in a comedic way it could be entertaining, but when in done in this way it really just becomes childish. [QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32067252]Premise: This is the expression of all the hate I've held inside of me for all this years. I don't mean to offend anyone with this... Just do me a favor. If you don't care, or have an unneeded comment, please refrain from posting it. Do it as a personal favor towards me, please[/QUOTE] Don't quite understand the purpose of this, and I don't quite understand the purpose of venting to other people unless you just want people to agree with your remarks. [QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32067252]I was shaken, to say the least, from such a title. What is our beloved president upon, now, I wondered...the list of many other people in this country. This isn't the first time he says something bad towards Italy or the people who live in Italy. But this, this was the last straw. [/QUOTE] I'm completely lost here with your structuring, what the last straw means. Comes off a bit schizophrenic as your use of sarcasm is out of place. And I'm not at all sure what the last straw implies. Making an angry rant on the internet? Also, I'm confused as to how any politician could operate without making strong criticisms of their country and their government. Certainly there are better and worse ways to go making criticism, but the way you seem to describe it sounds more like loyalty where you don't talk bad about Italy. [QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32067252]The news are enslaved to the power. Daily, you hear reports about the arguments of politician over the most pointless of things while everything goes worse. Things get harder for people, they get less money, it gets harder to live every day. And what do they do? They argue about their salary. And that's just one of the stupid things they spend their worthless time blabbing about.[/QUOTE] You start off sounding like Alex Jones, but instead of connecting the dots in some crazy manner you just say that they argue over stuff that doesn't matter to you. Certainly you'd rather see them discuss issues that you value more, but it is also good to realize that they must discuss issues that other people value as well. Furthermore, there is some unrealistic expectation that discussing the issues you care about will accomplish anything. [QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32067252]The parliament is worse than a stadium. Politicians throw stuff and swear at each other. They bring in flags and sing anti-patriotic hymns. Why do they do that? They are paid tenfold the amount a construction worker gets. And what for? T[B]o rule this country into chaos.[/B][/QUOTE] Perhaps you could make the statement statement in bold if you didn't live in a democratic republic, but you do you you're out of luck. The people are at fault for electing officials who believed they were acting in a way that would get them reelected and be viewed favorably. [QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32067252]Now, you'll say, "Gabriele, don't you think the rest of the world is like that too? Trust me, it really is. You're no exception.". I don't think so, sorry. I believe myself to be quite conscious of what happens in the world and I have never heard of such a bad and unrepresentative president for all of the time I've been around. I don't believe any president has ever dared going as far as publicly hate-speaking about his own nation. I believe this should be considered a severe offence, yet nobody does nothing about it. And that's because they're not in power. They can't. During his reign, Berlusconi did everything in order to barricade himself from law. He aimed to be special and he's become exactly what he wanted: untouchable.[/QUOTE] Assuming all your statements to be true, doesn't the president have a right to free speech? It is not as though the role of president contracts you to use only optimistic language about the current state of affairs. What justification is there for punishing the president for exercising his right to free speech. Even if what he said was twenty times more despicable, what right do you have to punish him? And why do you imply that protecting oneself from legal harm is bad? I'm not quite sure what you're referencing here, but it context if feels like it is the freedom of speech. "Our president is exploiting the law permitting freedom of speech to make statements I do not think should be made". Even in a situation where a person is guilty of a crime, they have full right to protect themselves from the law. [QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32067252]Now, even though I've always bore (even though with huge difficulty) all of the stuff he's done, and you could write an entire book about it, this was the last straw. I'll warn you. From now on begins a very personal part of the rant. Don't read it if you don't want to. Even though the subject of this will never probably read it, I feel like talking directly to him, to get this out of myself. [/QUOTE] I still don't understand, and I'm not just commentating this as I go along, I read the whole thing, and I'm still not sure what the last straw is referencing. You've already typed up a pointless rant. The fact that you're taking this so personal make me cringe. [QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32067252]I believe I've never been so angry during my entire life. It has never happened to me to wish suffering to somebody, but now it has, and I'm really serious about it. Even though nobody will ever be able to do anything about it, I wish you could suffer from a pain no man has ever suffered. I wish you could realize how much is the harm you've done, just because of your uncontrollable greed, your hunger for power and money. I wish you could realize you're but a coward, who has used the lives of thousands of undeserving people for his own pleasure, like lifeless puppets. And what for? We're all going to die sooner or later. You're pretty high up in the list. You're old. Your mind is starting to play tricks on you. You're slowly going insane. And yet you persist in your endless greed of power.[/QUOTE] This is where is starts to get ridiculous as you start to wish suffering upon someone. Regardless of your anger, this really dumbs down anything from here on out. The feeling I got when I read this part was similar to the feeling I get when a father does something wrong and the daughter scream "I wish you would die". It has nothing to do with the actors, but more with the irrational justification of punishment on someone under circumstance. Really, you seem pretty crazy in this paragraph. [QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32067252]There are people who have spent their life with their back curved, picking up wheat. They ruined their health, just to be able to bring home some money to buy some food for their children. I ask you, what have you done? You were born in a wealthy family. You never raised a finger in your entire life, if not to point it towards the people who had to succumb to your abuse. You have ruined Italy. But it was already ruined. It's ruined in the roots, it is suffering from a cancer that will never be healed. You just contributed. People came before you who did the same, but you've been the worst so far, because you've had the courage to do it in front of us, under the sun, and just excuse yourself like it was nothing. No, you haven't even excused yourself. To the poor people who came to you accusing you of your many crimes, your reply was a spit in the face. Even though you'll probably be dead (and I very much hope so) when me and my generation will be old enough to have to care for ourselves, the signs of the damage you've done will be still visible and hitting us all in the head daily. It makes me sad to say so, but Italy has no destiny. You've contributed to give it the last straw. You made it crumble into the mess it is today, which is sadly beyond repair. Italy doesn't want me anymore, and I don't want it either. It's not my loving home anymore. It's not the place which makes me feel safe and happy. Not anymore.[/QUOTE] So now to balance out the craziness, you revert to the classic humanitarian issue to make to so that you give the impression you care about the little people, that you're not just some person who wishes death on everyone. To go further, you expound your envy of a person who was born into a wealthy family and make it clear that a democracy is entirely dependent upon one person. You keep going on with senseless ramble, especially towards the end. What really doesn't make sense about this while piece is that the damage isn't what set you off, that just seems to be a side issue. What makes less sense is how you seem so patriotic and defensive of your country, and then you're all of a sudden not. I can't really describe this as an angry rant, it feels more like you just broke up with your long term girlfriend and that you're crying on in an area where people will comfort you no matter what ridiculous things you say. [QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32067252]But sadly, there are people who are destined to live in this, and it was not their fault.[/QUOTE] If you think a democratic republic is synonymous with a dictatorship. [QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32067252]Future is the utopia we've all been brainwashed about by the television. There is no future. It's all just an endless, repeating chain. As Berlusconi came and went, somebody else as worth as him will soon succeed him, like it happened with him.[/QUOTE] Again, you start off sounding like Alex Jones, though I will give you some credit and tell you that that sentence could mistake you for a Christian fundamentalist or a crazy liberal. The pessimism isn't what bothers me about the next couple of sentences, rather it is this idea that one man is more powerful than the whole country and that there is nothing a democratic republic can do to elect a better leader. [QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32067252]onight my dad came home all angry and outraged. I asked him why he was like that and he said that on the way home he was listening to a radio station where they were interviewing people about their thoughts on Berlusconi's words (the ones the OP is about). He said that 2 out of 4 people were able to defend him.[/QUOTE] This is a criticism of the news in that in any story, they have to present both sides to be objective. Even then, it really makes no sense to become angry because someone disagrees with you. I'm not aware of the story or anything, but you're use of a straw man is completely transparent. [QUOTE=TerabyteS_;32067252]I'm ready to bet that Berlusconi (or one of his henchmen) will be re-elected in the near future. Italians are that dumb. And that's also why I want to live. I'm not one of them.[/QUOTE] So that is what it comes down to? One side is dumb while your side is smart. That is the entire justification for this rant? I see that you think you're playing to role of Jesus, and next you'll be saying stuff like "forgive them father, they do not know who they elect".
Come to the UK, we have crumpets.
Wasn't expecting something as long as that. I can't really reply right now, but I'm definately going to read it well tomorrow and try to give you some insight into what I was thinking at the time of writing and some of the reason which led me to phrase it that way. I can say one thing now though: "the last straw" refers to the long list of outrageous offences done to the country and the people in all these years. I sort of gave that for granted in the OP, sorry about that.
I just realized this, but it sounds like, according to the title, your president and you have something in common. You both hate your country.
I dislike my country for having 25% tax on every source of income
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Viva La Revolución. Do you guys have a brotherhood? That would be so cool.
Heh, funny... I feel [B]the exact same way[/B] about my nation, OP. You pretty much spoke my mind. And you know what's worst? My country itself is gorgeous, absolutely beautiful (very much like Italy). [B]It's the people in it that turned it into absolute shit[/B]. My country mostly comprises italian and spanish descendents, so that same greedy, selfish and destructive italian mindset you so much despise is very present over here, as well as the spanish naivety and incredulity. Mix those things up and presto, there's the average argentine. I honestly, _Honestly_, don't feel attached to my home country, [B]at all[/B]. This country's been absolute _Shit_ since I can remember (I'm 27). I've honestly had enough... that's why I'm taking an opportunity I've been given of studying abroad (more precisely Sweden); I'll save up as much as I can and I'll get THE FUCK outta this horrible, horrible place. So, you're not alone, OP. You hate your nation, I hate mine... we're nation-less people. [img]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-sympathy.gif[/img]
OP, there's a lot of bad stuff to focus your thoughts on in this world of ours. If you keep thinking about the bad things in life, you're never going to notice any of the good things. I really don't know the full story behind your country. In mine, the people were very, very unhappy with our Government and the way things were done when our economy crashed, so we just voted them out at the next election. I'm sure the Italian people will have the same opportunity to do so. Berlusconi was voted in by the people, he can be voted out by the people just as easily. Besides, whatever state Italy is in now, look down the road five years or so. Everything could be completely changed for the better for all we know.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;32084186]Heh, funny... I feel [B]the exact same way[/B] about my nation, OP. You pretty much spoke my mind. And you know what's worst? My country itself is gorgeous, absolutely beautiful (very much like Italy). [B]It's the people in it that turned it to absolute shit[/B]. My country mostly comprises italian and spanish descendents, so that same greedy, selfish and destructive italian mindset you so much despise is very present over here, as well as the spanish naivety and incredulity. Mix those things up and presto, there's the average argentine. I honestly, _Honestly_, don't feel attached to my home country, [B]at all[/B]. This country's been absolute _Shit_ since I can remember (I'm 27). I've honestly had enough... that's why I'm taking an opportunity I've been given of studying abroad (more precisely Sweden); I'll save up as much as I can and I'll get THE FUCK outta this horrible, horrible place. So, you're not alone, OP. You hate your nation, I hate mine... we're nation-less people. [img]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-sympathy.gif[/img][/QUOTE] You know, I'm venezuelan and I really admire your country. Never actually been there, but sounds like a nice place to live. [editline]asdad[/editline] All aside, since we're now talking about how fucked our countries are, let me give you a little insight on how I feel about my hometown: My country is fucked. Well beyond Italy, Argentina or even Greece. In all senses. more than 4000 people are killed by criminals each year in a 30 million people country, Although we have the 8th largest oil reserve in the world we have power and water shortages all year long, poverty is 70%, there are food shortages, but most importantly, our society is sunk in total political paranoia. Is like a country-wide flaming war about politics. All in all, there is no future. But I don't feel hatred about my country. I can't just rant about how shitty is my country and insult all my fellows thinking I'm any better than them. I feel the need to be part of the solution, or else I'm just a part of the problem, and I'm very hopeful and confident our youth will turn the country not for the best, but for better. I in fact love my country, beyond all the crap our president has made, you can still find lots of good things in it, in its people and it's this that gives me hope and makes me want to fight for my homeland. What I'm trying to say is that, it's pretty pointless to hate on your country if you're not willing to do anything for it to change, it's exactly your mindset that is fucking up your country, my country and many others. We need people that fight for change, complaining will not make things any better.
It's a democratic republic yet he's been elected for 16 years even though he fucks everything up? I think the only problem here is the people.
[QUOTE=barttool;32086004]You know, I'm venezuelan and I really admire your country. Never actually been there, but sounds like a nice place to live. [editline]asdad[/editline] All aside, since we're now talking about how fucked our countries are, let me give you a little insight on how I feel about my hometown: My country is fucked. Well beyond Italy, Argentina or even Greece. In all senses. more than 4000 people are killed by criminals each year in a 30 million people country, Although we have the 8th largest oil reserve in the world we have power and water shortages all year long, poverty is 70%, there are food shortages, but most importantly, our society is sunk in total political paranoia. Is like a country-wide flaming war about politics. All in all, there is no future. But I don't feel hatred about my country. I can't just rant about how shitty is my country and insult all my fellows thinking I'm any better than them. I feel the need to be part of the solution, or else I'm just a part of the problem, and I'm very hopeful and confident our youth will turn the country not for the best, but for better. I in fact love my country, beyond all the crap our president has made, you can still find lots of good things in it, in its people and it's this that gives me hope and makes me want to fight for my homeland. What I'm trying to say is that, it's pretty pointless to hate on your country if you're not willing to do anything for it to change, it's exactly your mindset that is fucking up your country, my country and many others. We need people that fight for change, complaining will not make things any better.[/QUOTE] I know exactly what you mean. I really do. Thing is, I'm tired of being an icon of sanity in an insane city in an equally insane country. It's like people take crazy pills over here (I mean, voting the same fuckers, OVER AND OVER AGAIN?! DON'T PEOPLE FUCKING LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES ANYMORE?!). Just to show you how fucked up some people can be around here, here's one of my "horrible parenting stories"... this week, [url=http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/77681/candelas-death-could-have-been-a-revenge-attack-investigators-say]An 11-year-old girl was kidnapped, 9 days later she's found dead[/url]. That, unfortunately, is the tip of the iceberg. Both of her parents were into organized crime and as a result of one of their parents fucking up something (they say her dad rat out some people or something similar), the mafia decided to whack their daughter as a revenge. You know what their parents think, express and feel about it? They're among the coldest sick fucks I've ever seen, talking about what happened so fucking lightly... talking about their dead daughter like she was a stranger. That poor girl was in the wrong place at the wrong time, 24/7... It was just a matter of time until something bad happened to her. And on top of that, instead of having politicians delivering swift justice, they use the hit on this girl as an opportunity to spout off their shitty elections propaganda. Fucking disgusting. Personally, I don't want to have anything to do with all the fucked up shit going on over here anymore, period.
Try to fix the place up by 2014, I'm taking a trip to Rome then. I'd rather not land in the middle of a revolution... In all seriousness I do hope Italy hits some major reforms soon. It's a half-brainwashed country with an almost Austin Powers type leader who doesn't deserve that kind of power.
You can't expect people to say exactly what they feel Don't think about what he said too much, because he probably didn't
[QUOTE=Errorproxy;32082201]Viva La Revolución. Do you guys have a brotherhood? That would be so cool.[/QUOTE] Protesters Creed:Brotherhood
America is in shit as well.
Sadly, it may be one of those things that has to get worse before it gets better. People as a whole seem to be happy with their lives as long as they are just comfortable enough. They will grumble, and bitch about how they don't like something, or how some things used to be so much better...but as long as they have their basic desires served they just keep on going forward until the day when so many things are taken away from them, that they get to a point of being completely fed up. Hopefully that day comes for a lot of countries, and without the need for things to get absolutely terrible. Also, related: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08&feature=player_embedded[/url][/media] From Network.
[QUOTE=Caesar;32084544]OP, there's a lot of bad stuff to focus your thoughts on in this world of ours. If you keep thinking about the bad things in life, you're never going to notice any of the good things. I really don't know the full story behind your country. In mine, the people were very, very unhappy with our Government and the way things were done when our economy crashed, so we just voted them out at the next election. I'm sure the Italian people will have the same opportunity to do so. Berlusconi was voted in by the people, he can be voted out by the people just as easily. Besides, whatever state Italy is in now, look down the road five years or so. Everything could be completely changed for the better for all we know.[/QUOTE]Our government did bad stuff and it always got re-elected. Last time was in 2008 I think. And the situation with them was pretty bad at the time too.
I find it hard to believe you're only sixteen. Very well written, very compelling. I hope your nation gets itself back on its feet sometime soon man.
[QUOTE=Pepin;32081759]Since I got 10 agrees against 1 disagree on my previous post I decided to write up a bit of critique. I found this to be a difficult read as. What I'd compare it to is a rant about George Bush that just says "I don't like Bush" over and over again. I suppose if you can do it in a comedic way it could be entertaining, but when in done in this way it really just becomes childish.[/quote]I'm sorry that I sounded childish, I surely did not intend to do so. I wanted to tell the story of what's been happening in Italy in the last few years and to also tell my own personal point of view. I recognize that I've probably used the wrong language and I apologize for that, but that's just my story and it should be taken like so. [QUOTE]Don't quite understand the purpose of this, and I don't quite understand the purpose of venting to other people unless you just want people to agree with your remarks.[/QUOTE]I felt like writing something that would last longer than a status on facebook. At the time of writing I was quite angry for the piece of news I had just read, and I really felt that telling my story and the story of what's been happening in Italy lately seen from my point of view could help me get that anger off myself. My writing could have been a little distorted by the anger I had while writing, and I apologize for using the wrong language in many occasions due to that, but the core of what I wanted to tell should stand. [QUOTE]I'm completely lost here with your structuring, what the last straw means. Comes off a bit schizophrenic as your use of sarcasm is out of place. And I'm not at all sure what the last straw implies. Making an angry rant on the internet?[/QUOTE]Again, structuring could have been influenced by anger, sorry for that. By the last straw I meant the latest (and worse in my opinion) of a series of (actual) crimes and offences committed by our prime minister (sorry for calling him president, he's not) which all passed unnoticed, or nobody actually did anything about them, except just a few cases where he's been called in court. I honestly think that person who has pending prosecutions should not be a prime minister in a civil country. [QUOTE]Also, I'm confused as to how any politician could operate without making strong criticisms of their country and their government. Certainly there are better and worse ways to go making criticism, but the way you seem to describe it sounds more like loyalty where you don't talk bad about Italy.[/QUOTE]As you said, there are ways and ways of making criticism, and he always seems to pick the worst ones. I swear I've never heard any criticism from him which didn't comprehend an insult or offence to another political party or person. [QUOTE]You start off sounding like Alex Jones, but instead of connecting the dots in some crazy manner you just say that they argue over stuff that doesn't matter to you. Certainly you'd rather see them discuss issues that you value more, but it is also good to realize that they must discuss issues that other people value as well. Furthermore, there is some unrealistic expectation that discussing the issues you care about will accomplish anything.[/QUOTE]I honestly had to research who Alex Jones is and honestly I don't think I'm like him. Sure, our politicians have much more stuff to care about than just us low-class citizens but 1) all they seem to be doing about taxes right now is some sort of inverse Robin Hood action where poor people lose more money and rich people get lesser taxes based on their capital and 2) From what I hear in the news almost daily, most of their discussion is about norms that affect them principally or in some indirect way. I'm trying to not be over-dramatic here, sadly it's probably the truth. [QUOTE]Perhaps you could make the statement statement in bold if you didn't live in a democratic republic, but you do you you're out of luck. The people are at fault for electing officials who believed they were acting in a way that would get them reelected and be viewed favorably.[/QUOTE]You're completely right! The people are the problem, and Berlusconi is a people person. If you look at recordings of any of his meetings, you can see him taking half of his time to tell jokes and gain people's consent through sexist jokes instead of actually proposing things for the growth of Italy. In case that you don't believe me, I'll show you two examples. Both videos are in Italian, but you should be able to notice people laughing at his jokes and even cheering at him for one sexist joke he makes in the second video. If that's how he gets elected, you're completely right, the problem is with the people. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk3N9MhXTvI[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk6GyewT9_s&feature=related[/media] [QUOTE]Assuming all your statements to be true, doesn't the president have a right to free speech?[/QUOTE]Oh sure he has. But from your political position of Prime Minister, talking shit about your country is basically like shitting on your own parade since you're the one who has been directing it for the last decade or more and most of the things he's upset about have been probably (even indirectly) caused by him. [QUOTE]It is not as though the role of president contracts you to use only optimistic language about the current state of affairs. What justification is there for punishing the president for exercising his right to free speech. Even if what he said was twenty times more despicable, what right do you have to punish him?[/QUOTE]I have no right to punish him, but I have the right to criticize him for neglecting the good of his country for his personal affairs and then basically insulting his own work. [QUOTE]And why do you imply that protecting oneself from legal harm is bad? I'm not quite sure what you're referencing here, but it context if feels like it is the freedom of speech. "Our president is exploiting the law permitting freedom of speech to make statements I do not think should be made". Even in a situation where a person is guilty of a crime, they have full right to protect themselves from the law.[/QUOTE]I don't quite understand what you're trying to say here, but I think you got me wrong. He's not exploiting the law [I]just[/I] to talk bad stuff about the country. He's actually exploiting the law (and making ad-personam laws) to protect himself from prosecution for the many crimes he's committed during all this time. And sadly, he's being successful at it because he's able to hide it like dust under a carpet and nobody seems to notice. [QUOTE]I still don't understand, and I'm not just commentating this as I go along, I read the whole thing, and I'm still not sure what the last straw is referencing. You've already typed up a pointless rant. The fact that you're taking this so personal make me cringe.[/QUOTE]Again, I took it to a personal point to express my anger. I apologize for the very wrong language. Reading it now myself it makes me think that I've expressed myself the wrong way in some points, but still: I was trying to tell about (mind this) my very own opinion. I never said that I own the absolute truth about the matter and I know people can have opinions different than mine. That's just mine. Sorry if it made you cringe. I think you would have taken it more reasonably than this if you actually had been living this whole situation from the inside for a while. It really is a stressing situation. [QUOTE]This is where is starts to get ridiculous as you start to wish suffering upon someone. Regardless of your anger, this really dumbs down anything from here on out. The feeling I got when I read this part was similar to the feeling I get when a father does something wrong and the daughter scream "I wish you would die". It has nothing to do with the actors, but more with the irrational justification of punishment on someone under circumstance. Really, you seem pretty crazy in this paragraph.[/QUOTE]You are completely right. Wishing suffering upon someone really puts you on the same plane as them. Even though I apologize for saying these things using the wrong language, I'm not going to change my mind upon the general point I was trying to carry out: he's harmful for the country and as that he should leave. [QUOTE]So now to balance out the craziness, you revert to the classic humanitarian issue to make to so that you give the impression you care about the little people, that you're not just some person who wishes death on everyone.[/QUOTE]I don't think of it like that. I was trying to explain that there's a good reason for me to say such strong words (even though as I said before, they were very inappropriate) and I don't usually get this far. [QUOTE]To go further, you expound your envy of a person who was born into a wealthy family and make it clear that a democracy is entirely dependent upon one person.[/QUOTE]I think you got me totally wrong here. I'm not envious at all about his wealthy origins, but I do believe that currently, Italy is strongly depending on him since he's been trying to gather all attention towards him and leave none to the other parties. The government got as far as trying to make laws through what are called "Decreti legge" which are basically a type of laws which are made for emergency times when something needs to be approved very fast. That means there's close to no discussion of them in the parliament, and the other parties just have to vote for approval. And since the right wing is the party with the most components in the parliament, they almost always get approved with zero discussion. And that's an example. [QUOTE]You keep going on with senseless ramble, especially towards the end. What really doesn't make sense about this while piece is that the damage isn't what set you off, that just seems to be a side issue.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by this? I truly don't understand what you were trying to say here. [QUOTE]What makes less sense is how you seem so patriotic and defensive of your country, and then you're all of a sudden not.[/QUOTE]I've never been patriotic. What might look like patriotism in my words is instead sorrow for what has been done to this undeserving country by people without scruples. [QUOTE]I can't really describe this as an angry rant, it feels more like you just broke up with your long term girlfriend and that you're crying on in an area where people will comfort you no matter what ridiculous things you say.[/QUOTE]That makes no sense. What would be the point of making a rant about a completely unrelated thing even if I had broken up with a girlfriend (I've never had one anyway). I was making a rant because I was angry about [I]this[/I], not some other completely unrelated thing. And as I stated in the OP, I was not looking for comfort, I was just looking to get the anger off my chest, and writing about it works well for that. [QUOTE]If you think a democratic republic is synonymous with a dictatorship.[/QUOTE]In our case it is, because Berlusconi managed to get to a point where he (and his party) is the one making all the decisions and the other parties are just there to criticize him and to try and stop him. Now, I don't agree with both parties' behavior. They should both be looking for some normal discussion instead of insulting and trying to break the other's bicycle. But they don't. And that's one of the things that makes me feel sorry to live here. [QUOTE]Again, you start off sounding like Alex Jones, though I will give you some credit and tell you that that sentence could mistake you for a Christian fundamentalist or a crazy liberal. The pessimism isn't what bothers me about the next couple of sentences, rather it is this idea that one man is more powerful than the whole country and that there is nothing a democratic republic can do to elect a better leader.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, in this case I have to say that you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Berlusconi owns most of the Italian televisions. Out of the first 6 channels in the list, 3 are fully owned by him, 2 are on the way and there's just one which is still trying to save itself from his claws. Through those channels Berlusconi is trying to bury the news that are uncomfortable to him and he tries to brainwash people by talking about other unimportant things to distract them from what he's doing. Would you like an example? I have not heard of the news around which the OP revolves on any of those news broadcasters. That doesn't mean it's a fake story. It's true and it's been reported by the ANSA, the national news agency, they're just trying to hide it from the public. Another example is that almost a quarter of the news is about going to the beach or buying new clothes for the upcoming season, or other irrelevant stuff. I'm not making up anything here, other Italians can confirm. [QUOTE]This is a criticism of the news in that in any story, they have to present both sides to be objective. Even then, it really makes no sense to become angry because someone disagrees with you. I'm not aware of the story or anything, but you're use of a straw man is completely transparent. [/QUOTE]You're right. But I'm not angry because someone disagrees with me, I'm angry that people are still able to be blind about what he's been doing and to actually go as far as defend him for the illegal things he's done (as I said, the guy was defending him for being corrupt). [QUOTE]So that is what it comes down to? One side is dumb while your side is smart.[/QUOTE]I never said that I own the Holy Grail of truth. As I said earlier this thread is a personal opinion about the current events. That doesn't mean it's true, but I tried to make it as realistic as it can get from my point of view. [QUOTE]That is the entire justification for this rant? I see that you think you're playing to role of Jesus, and next you'll be saying stuff like "forgive them father, they do not know who they elect".[/QUOTE]Even though I'm not trying to play God, I do think that they don't know who they elect since they can't see that they're clearly harming Italy and the people who lives there by doing so. Anyway, thanks for giving me a chance to make a few things clearer. I don't want to sound rude here, though I suggest that you do a bit more research before criticizing someone for saying things that might seem made up to you. It's important for a correct and educated discussion.
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