Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Thread V.3 - General

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32229082]Someone tell me about creatine.[/QUOTE] Creatine (monohydrate especially) is literally the most researched supplement in the field of sports and nutrition ever. Yet somehow it will continue to be one of those supplements that dumbasses will rag on because it doesn't turn them into Arnold Schwarzenegger in a week. Because I don't really want to type up a paper about what creatine is and how ATP works and all that, I'll just speak about the effects of supplementing with creatine monohydrate. Dumbass bro scientists will tell you that creatine just "pulls water into ur mussels tempoarily bro and then u lose all that strength and size after you stop taking it" This couldn't be further from the truth. Yes, there is a temporary muscular water retention while you are supplementing CM, but the strength and size gains made are permanent, because creatine is helping both the hypertrophy and neural adaptation process. Creatine is also the only true myostatin inhibitor on the market, which again without wanting to type up a paper on it, means creatine helps increase your lean mass (muscle). Perhaps the most quickly noticeable effect of CM supplementation is the strength gains which come on very quickly, due to the increased ATP levels in the body. This is also why creatine is of great interest to sprinters and other athletes in highly anaerobic sports. As far as health concerns go, aside from a few extremist opinions and "what if" people, creatine supplementation in normal dosages is largely considered to be healthy, unless you have renal disease or something, in which case, LMAO your kidneys don't work anyway so I don't know why you are supplementing creatine you dumb fuck As I said before it's one of the few substances that has an extremely large body of research, and long term studies. To put it in another perspective, I would be quicker to trust 5-20g of creatine a day than i would to 5-20g of green tea extract.

took creatine and it felt like my pump was bigger

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;32233351]Creatine (monohydrate especially) is literally the most researched supplement in the field of sports and nutrition ever. Yet somehow it will continue to be one of those supplements that dumbasses will rag on because it doesn't turn them into Arnold Schwarzenegger in a week. Because I don't really want to type up a paper about what creatine is and how ATP works and all that, I'll just speak about the effects of supplementing with creatine monohydrate. Dumbass bro scientists will tell you that creatine just "pulls water into ur mussels tempoarily bro and then u lose all that strength and size after you stop taking it" This couldn't be further from the truth. Yes, there is a temporary muscular water retention while you are supplementing CM, but the strength and size gains made are permanent, because creatine is helping both the hypertrophy and neural adaptation process. Creatine is also the only true myostatin inhibitor on the market, which again without wanting to type up a paper on it, means creatine helps increase your lean mass (muscle). Perhaps the most quickly noticeable effect of CM supplementation is the strength gains which come on very quickly, due to the increased ATP levels in the body. This is also why creatine is of great interest to sprinters and other athletes in highly anaerobic sports. As far as health concerns go, aside from a few extremist opinions and "what if" people, creatine supplementation in normal dosages is largely considered to be healthy, unless you have renal disease or something, in which case, LMAO your kidneys don't work anyway so I don't know why you are supplementing creatine you dumb fuck As I said before it's one of the few substances that has an extremely large body of research, and long term studies. To put it in another perspective, I would be quicker to trust 5-20g of creatine a day than i would to 5-20g of green tea extract.[/QUOTE] What would you say about creatine for a 14 year old?

Everything is poison, there is poison in everything. Only the dose makes a thing not a poison. If you have mercury in small enough quantities, it'll be beneficial. Up the dosage, you'll die. Replace mercury with anything and the principle remains the same.

[QUOTE=lemoncurry;32233550]What would you say about creatine for a 14 year old?[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter. I'd say stop relaying on supps so much and start eating you turd. [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=lemoncurry;32233550]What would you say about creatine for a 14 year old?[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter. I'd say stop relaying on supps so much and start eating you turd.

[QUOTE=Seith;32233697]Doesn't matter. I'd say stop relaying on supps so much and start eating you turd. [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] Doesn't matter. I'd say stop relaying on supps so much and start eating you turd.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say I rely on supplements, considering, you know, the only ones I have are vitamins. [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SCopE5000;32233577]Everything is poison, there is poison in everything. Only the dose makes a thing not a poison. If you have mercury in small enough quantities, it'll be beneficial. Up the dosage, you'll die. Replace mercury with anything and the principle remains the same.[/QUOTE] And thank you.

[QUOTE=lemoncurry;32233550]What would you say about creatine for a 14 year old?[/QUOTE] I'd say it's fine. But you're not going to get shit out of it unless your diet and training is dialed in, which in my experience, most 14 years old don't and won't. [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SCopE5000;32233577]Everything is poison, there is poison in everything. Only the dose makes a thing not a poison. If you have mercury in small enough quantities, it'll be beneficial. Up the dosage, you'll die. Replace mercury with anything and the principle remains the same.[/QUOTE] In principle yeah. In practicality, there are things that are NEVER going to be poisonous, and things that are very likely to be poisonous. Protein is theorized to be harmful............ at like 700-800g a day which LMAO no one is going to be capable of eating let alone keeping it down.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;32233836]I'd say it's fine. But you're not going to get shit out of it unless your diet and training is dialed in, which in my experience, most 14 years old don't and won't.[/QUOTE] I find that I am very strict about diet/training regimes and such, the only problem is the amount of calories I consume, I am on a cut, but find it difficult to get my hands on the right foods. I probably won't look into CM for another couple of months, when I will be lifting larger weights.

real talk no one sucks as much dick as i do

dont use creatine till you get a good base strength imo.

im interested in creatine, but i'm only 15 - Are there any "possible" side effects? Do you have to take it in a cycle, or is it just a supplement like whey protein? Do I still have to take protein supplements with it? Hell, I don't know a thing about it and I got a ton of questions. Does anyone know a link to a FAQ for it or something? I google searched it for a bit and just got a bunch of shitty biased yahoo answers.

I read somewhere that Creatine can worsen your acne if you have any. May be a myth though, but if you're acne prone I guess it's best to watch out.

[QUOTE=polarbear.;32237539]im interested in creatine, but i'm only 15 - Are there any "possible" side effects? Do you have to take it in a cycle, or is it just a supplement like whey protein? Do I still have to take protein supplements with it? Hell, I don't know a thing about it and I got a ton of questions. Does anyone know a link to a FAQ for it or something? I google searched it for a bit and just got a bunch of shitty biased yahoo answers.[/QUOTE] There aren't really any legit side effects. It's a supplement. There's no need to cycle it, I take it all year long. It's not protein so why would protein supplements have anything to do with it, real talk what???? this is a good overview: [url]http://www.trulyhuge.com/creatinemonohydrateL14.html[/url] [editline]11th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=NotMeh;32237880]I read somewhere that Creatine can worsen your acne if you have any. May be a myth though, but if you're acne prone I guess it's best to watch out.[/QUOTE] pure BS. There is literally nothing in the action of creatine that would have any effect on acne. If someone was that worried about their acne, they may as well stop lifting, because training increases testosterone in men and testosterone DOES have a marked effect on acne.

thanks for the link man, i gotta give that stuff a try Seems like a stimulant though, seeing how consuming it gives you energy and motivation. Makes me wonder if there's withdrawal for it. Although I'm still considering if I should take it. I have some weightlifting experience, I've been working with a pull-up bar and a pair of dumbbells for the past few months and I'm finally going to be hitting my school's weight room. With pretty much no equipment, my base is already pretty good - My biceps peak well over my shoulders, tight abs, I can flex all my muscles and make them pop out and stuff. I've been practicing form and shit forever, so I'm pumped to hit the gym and hit some heavy weights and fail at like 10 reps, not the 40 curls I have to do with my current shitbells.

creatine is not a stimulant

Proper dieting and resting will do a lot more for your energy and motivation than creatine.

Don't take creatine kids, it [b][u]WILL[/u][/b] kill you.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;32239551]Proper dieting and resting will do a lot more for your energy and motivation than creatine.[/QUOTE] why do people say this stuff, it's like "Don't take steroids, just work hard and put the effort in for then next few years" There's some stuff we can't reach without substance (ab)use, like taking anaboic steroids for ridiculous muscular feats or going on a meth binge to stay awake for 5 days straight. [QUOTE=SCopE5000;32239801]Don't take creatine kids, it [b][u]WILL[/u][/b] kill you.[/QUOTE] i dont like you.

[QUOTE=polarbear.;32240134]why do people say this stuff, it's like "Don't take steroids, just work hard and put the effort in for then next few years" There's some stuff we can't reach without substance (ab)use, like taking anaboic steroids for ridiculous muscular feats or going on a meth binge to stay awake for 5 days straight. i dont like you.[/QUOTE] I've never been a fan of supplementing your workout because you don't need to spend years to get fit. it takes maybe a year tops if you start off from not being able to bench the bar. I can still barely bench 180 but I don't really give a shit because I'm strong enough to help out with moving, fit enough to not be entirely exhausted after mowing the lawn, etc. there's a difference between setting a goal to be healthy or setting a goal to be buff. I'd rather be overall more healthy than strive to be a beefcake.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;32240376] I'd rather be overall more healthy than strive to be a beefcake.[/QUOTE] so you workout to get fit, and i workout for aesthetics/beefcakiness We are both on a different level here. Also, striving for a beefcake is pretty healthy unless you start taking steroids or something harmful.

[QUOTE=polarbear.;32241004]so you workout to get fit, and i workout for aesthetics/beefcakiness We are both on a different level here. Also, striving for a beefcake is pretty healthy unless you start taking steroids or something harmful.[/QUOTE] well IMO you don't need to supplement to get beefy, just have a good protein filled diet and be dedicated to the task.

creatine is different and not everyone can shove meat down their throats to get enough protein

Uhhh , im pretty sure your supposed to cycle creatine. usually 5 day loading period, 1-1.5 months on, 2 weeks off, then repeat. Because you have to flush it all out and shock yourbody back into it.

[QUOTE=Septimas;32243506]Uhhh , im pretty sure your supposed to cycle creatine. usually 5 day loading period, 1-1.5 months on, 2 weeks off, then repeat. Because you have to flush it all out and shock yourbody back into it.[/QUOTE] there is no proven advantage or benefit to cycling creatine and even if you are going to, it takes a minimum of 30 days to get back to baseline levels so 2 weeks off isn't doing shit. lmao at "shocking" your body into it

-snip- already been asked In that article.. it says if you stop taking creatine after a long time of taking it you lose your muscle. Is that true? do you lose ALL your gains which you got from using creatine? I wanna build muscle and keep it. And i also want GOOD muscle. Aesthetics don't matter. I just want lots of strong muscle. I take whey protein after everty workout i do (i take about 52Grams in 2 percent fat milk) so should i switch to creatine?

[QUOTE=Region;32243850]-snip- already been asked In that article.. it says if you stop taking creatine after a long time of taking it you lose your muscle. Is that true? do you lose ALL your gains which you got from using creatine? I wanna build muscle and keep it. And i also want GOOD muscle. Aesthetics don't matter. I just want lots of strong muscle. I take whey protein after everty workout i do (i take about 52Grams in 2 percent fat milk) so should i switch to creatine?[/QUOTE] No that's not true at all. Protein and creatine aren't mutually exclusive, so you don't need to switch, just add it to your protein shake.

Anyone know what happens to wasted creatine? (ex. take creatine, do nothing) Does it just pass through your body, or maybe it can be harmful?

Google the shityou lazy bastard. Your basically looking for reasons not to take it

I google before I ask. And uh, how exactly am I looking for reasons for not taking it? I'm convinced it's not very harmful to my health anyway ..

what is IF and does it work?