44 years in prison, Otis Johnson steps back in society
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[QUOTE=Elite Phazon;49189483]Exactly, that's what i meant. it's like the opposite side of the character brooks from shawshank redemption, whereas you CAN sympathize with him cause he's an innocent old man. but this guy is just another attempted murderer, 44 years doesn't mean shit if he can snap at any time and cause harm to someone.[/QUOTE]
are you trying to be the embodiment of your avatar?
[editline]26th November 2015[/editline]
No, that wouldn't make any sense, they would try and justify murder of a cop
[QUOTE=Elite Phazon;49189483]Exactly, that's what i meant. it's like the opposite side of the character brooks from shawshank redemption, whereas you CAN sympathize with him cause he's an innocent old man. but this guy is just another attempted murderer, 44 years doesn't mean shit if he can snap at any time and cause harm to someone.[/QUOTE]
"Hey, did you know Otis Johnson was bad? That means he might still be bad!!!"
We're well aware of that, but we have no indication to believe that he's still a bad person, especially because he's being let out of the prison system.
And just because someone was in jail and came out and [I]might[/I] snap doesn't mean anything when anyone can snap anywhere for any reason. You're discriminating against the guy for being put in jail, which is exactly the problem we have in society in regards to never letting criminals become a rehabilitated person again.
[QUOTE=Elite Phazon;49189483]Exactly, that's what i meant. it's like the opposite side of the character brooks from shawshank redemption, whereas you CAN sympathize with him cause he's an innocent old man. but this guy is just another attempted murderer, 44 years doesn't mean shit if he can snap at any time and cause harm to someone.[/QUOTE]
You're a damn fool and know nothing if you have that attitude towards a man who served [I]44 years[/I] in prison for attempted murder against a cop, in a world where cops get away with murder and get paid suspension, where rapists serve little or no time, where actual murderers get away with less than half the time this man served.
People need to get their head out of their ass and stop preaching retributive imprisonment. This man served well past his time and has clearly long ago become rehabilitated. He should have been out 25 years ago or more.
[QUOTE=Elite Phazon;49189483]Exactly, that's what i meant. it's like the opposite side of the character brooks from shawshank redemption, whereas you CAN sympathize with him cause he's an innocent old man. but this guy is just another attempted murderer, 44 years doesn't mean shit if he can snap at any time and cause harm to someone.[/QUOTE]
Just admit that you want him dead. I mean, what else do you want? Do you really want to keep him in jail for forever? Or do you want to have him live in this society of endless stigma? That sounds like a shit life, and I don't want to be subject to that if I make a mistake.
Sure, it's a pretty big mistake, but it's just that - [I]a mistake[/i]. No bad came out of it - he didn't end up killing anyone so why make this big fuss over it like nothing can ever be changed about this person? He's not permanently disabled in that he can never be repaired again, so why do you treat it like that?
[QUOTE=Elite Phazon;49187976]o0o0oh it's so intriguing to see how the modern world is to a released prisoner... guess people are forgetting he was charged with ATTEMPTED murder on a police officer.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;49188067]He has a point, sorta. It's easy to be sympathetic to him when he's a sad old man lost in a world he doesn't understand, but how many of the people who feel so sorry for him would switch back to lock-him-up-and-throw-away-the-key mode if someone tried to murder a cop today?[/QUOTE]
This kind of stuff is what annoys me about the justice system being so open. By preventing court cases from being closed off to the world I'm sure we dodge a lot of corruption and shit, but the trade-off is we have to deal with this annoying public engaging in it like its a spectacle, running purely based off emotion. Anyone do something really bad and the public will be wanting their heads, sometimes literally, and it's kind of frustrating. Even juries, I mean, I kind of doubt they're really all that impartial. Feeding people's bloodthirst is not what the justice system should be there for, and it feels like the one we have is much more based on emotion than it should be.
Y'know, his point about the food is pretty crazy. When he went to prison, most places probably still sold locally-made stuff. McDonald's was probably fairly famous but nowhere near as ubiquitous as it is now. Everything would have been much less colourful, the advances we've made in technology since then have allowed us to make food which literally looks like science fiction from the 70s.
44 years ago my father wasn't even born :v:
I think it's a horrible thing, to be sentenced a time longer than you've even been alive.
Man, I still feel kind that way with people and iphones. And I am not even that old. I just barely remember when small cellphones were a thing. Touchphones just looks weird to me. Like it doesn't seem to be a thing about convenience anymore, and more about indulgence at a price.
The end of the video is super inspiring. Just live for the future, don't dwell in the past. I feel like crying or something.
44 years for attempted murder, jesus.
i don't think people even need 20 to learn what they did was wrong.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49187591]I'd love to talk to someone who has been out of society for 40 years
the things I could show them would be wonderful
phones that let you instantly video chat with someone across the country
the ability to, on a mobile tablet, instantly watch a movie
mobile music players
nutella
automatic cars
I don't think ANYTHING would be more cool than showing someone the world for what seems like the first time[/QUOTE]
If you showed him an oculus rift he'd probably have a stroke.
[QUOTE=kapin_krunch;49193320]If you showed him an oculus rift he'd probably have a stroke.[/QUOTE]
or he'd be WAY into it
[t]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--oVpGAbNQ--/p8gn69onlockcpkeeck1.gif[/t]
depends on the game really
[editline]26th November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;49193198]44 years for attempted murder, jesus.
i don't think people even need 20 to learn what they did was wrong.[/QUOTE]
this was in the days of hating black people for being black people
[QUOTE=J!NX;49193373]or he'd be WAY into it
[t]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--oVpGAbNQ--/p8gn69onlockcpkeeck1.gif[/t][/QUOTE]
Holy fuck. Most people would actually have a stroke if they did that on the DK1.
Damn, really puts things into perspective
I mean, I'm 15 and lived all my life in a second world country, and I feel really lonely really often
To be cut off from everyone you have for 44 years? That's just heartbreaking. Jesus, I feel sad for this man.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49187591]I'd love to talk to someone who has been out of society for 40 years
the things I could show them would be wonderful
phones that let you instantly video chat with someone across the country
the ability to, on a mobile tablet, instantly watch a movie
mobile music players
nutella[/QUOTE]
This is the best you could come up with? :v: (ok I purpously left out automatic cars cuz that was good)
Also, things like hitting a police car with your own car can count as attempted murder too. It doesn't necessarily mean he pulled a gun on a police officer and then the gun jammed or some shit.
[QUOTE=Elite Phazon;49189483]Exactly, that's what i meant. it's like the opposite side of the character brooks from shawshank redemption, whereas you CAN sympathize with him cause he's an innocent old man. but this guy is just another attempted murderer, 44 years doesn't mean shit if he can snap at any time and cause harm to someone.[/QUOTE]
I don't agree with you as much as you think I do.
I try not to have ill will to Otis Johnson, now that he's endured the full extent of his punishment, it's important to trust him to be a civilized human being, and if he has the right opportunities available to him, I think that trust would be well-placed. My problem isn't with people feeling sorry for him, my problem is with people feeling sorry for him and yet still dehumanizing people like him when they commit their crimes today instead of half a century ago.
Also I'm pretty sure it was never said whether Brooks was innocent or not.
[QUOTE=Elite Phazon;49187976]o0o0oh it's so intriguing to see how the modern world is to a released prisoner... guess people are forgetting he was charged with ATTEMPTED murder on a police officer.
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There is always one person like this in these threads.
EVERY. FUCKING. THREAD.
no human on the planet is innocent, all that matters is whether they have paid their penance or not. this man, to me at least, has clearly paid his penance a long time ago
Let's face it, we can all imagine scenarios where we could become potential murderers. I've just been lucky enough not to get into one of those scenarios, but heck, ATTEMPTING to kill someone and failing and getting 44 years like that? That's tough.
Like, there was this 32 year old guy who raped my (then) 16 year old girlfriend, and then he didn't get punished for it cause of lack of evidence, and I really wasn't too far away from trying to kill him then, but since we instead just moved far away from the place it happened it didn't really become a thing.
Murderers aren't always broken people who just snap, in fact for a majority of history, anyone would have few issues with murdering a fellow man if it meant they were more likely to survive. We've just developed a higher sense of morality through education and the spread of information, meaning empathy if easier and such crimes harder, but we're still the same humans underneath. Don't judge attempted murderers as "psychopaths who can't live among "normal" humans" because in fact it's unlikely that they're too different from any of us else, they (most likely) just got dealt a bad hand.
[QUOTE=Hogie bear;49188950]Man, I don't know how I would be able to cope, adjusting to society after so long. Like, you missed out on so much. You'd feel so disconnected from the world. Like you were just dropped into the world at that moment. Even worse with what he said about having no family or partners. I can't imagine being in a worse situation.[/QUOTE]
I can't imagine what it would be like to have absolutely nobody. No friends or family. That's a whole new level of loneliness.
He seems amazingly wise. I want to be more like him.
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;49193198]44 years for attempted murder, jesus.
i don't think people even need 20 to learn what they did was wrong.[/QUOTE]
It's a pretty insane amount of time, especially if you put it in Danish context. I think it's pretty unusual for people to get more than 15 years for murder here in Denmark. Actually it's so unusual that Wikipedia even has a list over people who got life for murder: [url]https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livsvarigt_f%C3%A6ngsel[/url]
The average sentence served by those people is 17 years. So yeah.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;49194641]There is always one person like this in these threads.
EVERY. FUCKING. THREAD.[/QUOTE]
Threads like these serve as excellent bait to lure out the shit posters.
Back to the topic of the thread, this man seems incredibly interesting. I would love to meet someone like him one day, and just tag along for a while. Be with him when he experiences something new that we take for granted.
Personally, I'd give him a sandwich. I am not sure what we would talk about, but like I said, he seems ok.
Is a sentence that long a regular thing for the US?
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;49206828]Is a sentence that long a regular thing for the US?[/QUOTE]
It really depends. But for attempted murder these days I'd say it's a little long.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;49207814]It really depends. But for attempted murder these days I'd say it's a little long.[/QUOTE]
It was attempted murder [I]on a cop[/I], though. I'm surprised he didn't get life, to be honest.
Wow 44 years. That's so many people that have been born and already died.
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