Is the fact the, "child porn is illegal" unconstitutional?
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[QUOTE=jcallan;16939091]If I was in a nudist colony I'd be too frightened by all the butch men to get a boner.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Egevened;16932204]I think it should be completely illegal for minors to engage in an even relatively sexual act[/QUOTE]
Why?
It shouldn't matter if they whore themselves out, it's their fault after all.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16932324]FYI child pornography is not two teenagers making out in public. It's when you take prepubescents, force them to engage in sexual activity while taping them and then selling it or keeping it for "personal use".[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about making it legal to [i]force[/i] children to have sex and tape that.
And in most countries child porn produced with minors who give the permission to do it is still illegal as you sure know.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16932834]A kid does not have the knowledge or experience to legally consent to that sort of thing. That would be like saying children should vote because they can know the consequences.
Newsflash. Children are fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]
We shouldn't be forbidding people stuff because they're too dumb for it. We should only tell them about the dangers.
Why should we care about dumb people.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16932176]Laws are supposed to reflect the general morality of the community. The community is against child porn (rightfully so). So what does it matter? CP is and should be illegal. Easy as that.[/QUOTE]
Where the fuck did you take government?
Laws are meant to protect every citizen, as equally as possible, to an extent which does not trample personal freedoms.
Laws are not meant to promote "morality". Otherwise you could argue that homosexuality should be against the law if the majority decided it was "immoral". One of the most important functions of government is to protect the minorities from the majority.
So, the reason CP is illegal is because it harms the children involved, not because a bunch of uppity Christians and desperate "normal" people think it's wrong to think of children as sex objects. Which is why loli should be legal.
[QUOTE=Egevened;16932204]I think it should be completely illegal for minors to engage in an even relatively sexual act
We should pull the line for age of consent higher because maturity can kick in at a very late time for females[/QUOTE]
I hope you aren't serious. If you are, please sign yourself up for a sex ed class. Girls start puberty a few years before guys. And if you mean mentally mature, you don't exactly see guys being more mature than girls do you?
The only way you can "legally" flash your titties is if it is done in a way to express an idea or in some type of political protest. Like in the OP but even that is cutting it close
You can't just flash your tits if you're in New Orleans during Mardi-gras and want to be a huge whore.
Also I don't think little girls are going to be running around without their tops on because of this.
Also OP you're pretty retarded
[QUOTE=DrDaxxy;16941985]We shouldn't be forbidding people stuff because they're too dumb for it. We should only tell them about the dangers.
Why should we care about dumb people.[/QUOTE]
Fuck yeah, if a four year old kid wants to get his dick out for an old man let him, he knows the dangers.
[QUOTE=DrDaxxy;16941985]We shouldn't be forbidding people stuff because they're too dumb for it. We should only tell them about the dangers.
Why should we care about dumb people.[/QUOTE]
We aren't talking about dumb people, we are talking about children.
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They can't legally consent no matter how fucking hard you geniuses try to rationalize it.
[extremesarcasm]Hey next lets let child molesters have sex with children, as long as they say 'yes'[/extremesarcasm]
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I swear I clicked the right one
A topless 14 year old in public isn't CP, simple as. All thats here to argue about is the idea of public nudity, and since the concept of nudity is a human invention with almost no real meaning whatsoever, it doesn't have a place in the creation of law. The only real problem is if topless kids attract pedos, but in that case it's the parents responsibility to protect the kids.
Once every woman goes topless, in a generation or two, tits won't even be considered sexual. That would suck.
[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;16943037]Once every woman goes topless, in a generation or two, tits won't even be considered sexual. That would suck.[/QUOTE]
How? That sounds completely rational to me. Titties serve no sexual purpose, so attaching a sexual role to them is technically a fetish.
Are you saying that we are making them sexier by covering them up? I guess that means women in burka are the ultimate in sexual freakitude...
[QUOTE=hottshot3312;16932155]:siren: [b]IN NO WAY DO I SUPPORT CP[/b] :siren:
So i was reading on the web and I found this: [nsfw] [url]http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/womens-consitutional-right-to-go-topless[/url]
So they are claiming that not being allowed to be topless is unconstitutional, which i agree with. Now where do you draw the line? If young males don't have to wear a shirt, why should young females have to? So as soon as that young topless female kisses another young male in public, it is complete CP.
Sorry if i wasn't too clear, ask questions or discuss.[/QUOTE]
Because men don't have sex organs under their top. Durr.
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[QUOTE=DrDaxxy;16941985]
We shouldn't be forbidding people stuff because they're too dumb for it. We should only tell them about the dangers.
Why should we care about dumb people.[/QUOTE]
Because then the children and whatnot need to be supported by the government, who need to use money and in turn our taxes go up.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16932176]Laws are supposed to reflect the general morality of the community. The community is against child porn (rightfully so). So what does it matter? CP is and should be illegal. Easy as that.[/QUOTE]
Laws should never be based on morality.
You might as well just start making it against the law to not go to church then or something. That's a retarded argument.
[QUOTE=SnakeFace;16943195]Because men don't have sex organs under their top. Durr.[/QUOTE]
Neither do women. What's your point?
[QUOTE=Cathbadh;16943133]How? That sounds completely rational to me. Titties serve no sexual purpose, so attaching a sexual role to them is technically a fetish.[/QUOTE]
Neither do faces and those aren't covered up, but people still find faces attractive.
[QUOTE=Uberslug;16943339]Neither do faces and those aren't covered up, but people still find faces attractive.[/QUOTE]
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Yea totally.
[QUOTE=Uberslug;16943339]Neither do faces and those aren't covered up, but people still find faces attractive.[/QUOTE]
'Attractive' is quite different than "I want to fuck that." Once you move beyond puberty you realize this.
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[QUOTE=DrMortician;16943415][img]http://boulesteix.blog.lemonde.fr/files/2008/02/islam-burka.1202336790.jpg[/img]
Yea totally.[/QUOTE]
Way to totally rip my post off.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16942916]We aren't talking about dumb people, we are talking about children.
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They can't legally consent no matter how fucking hard you geniuses try to rationalize it.[/QUOTE]
I wish everyone was born adult, because it would clear up a lot of problems in our society.
I agree with you that obviously a newborn doesn't have the cognative ability to make a decision, but the logical paradox here is that if a 18 year old can make that decision then how can you logically prove an 17 year old isn't?
We aren't insects, we don't go through a metamorphosis on our 18th birthday and can all the sudden decide whether to fuck or not. And since 17 can be reduced to 16 and 16 to 15, anywhere you place it will be completely arbitrary.
Ideally there would be a test you have to take in order to receive adult status.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;16944240]I wish everyone was born adult, because it would clear up a lot of problems in our society.
I agree with you that obviously a newborn doesn't habe the cognative ability to make a decision, but the logical paradox here is that if a 18 year old can make that decision then how can you logically prove an 17 year old isn't?
We aren't insects, we don't go through a metamorphosis on our 18th birthday and can all the sudden decide whether to fuck or not. And since 17 can be reduced to 16 and 16 to 15, anywhere you place it will be completely arbitrary.
Ideally there would be a test you have to take in order to receive adult status.[/QUOTE]
Have you read the thread?
The law doesn't work like that. If you are a post-pubescent most states give you proxy-consent, meaning you can consent to intercourse with someone within an approximate age in relation to yours. This does not include filming pornography.
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The legal age of consent at 18 is merely a marker that anyone above 18 no longer has to abide by approximate age with someone else above 18.
[QUOTE=Wakka V2;16932424]It's disgusting.
I've reported 12ch... numerous times and it's still up. :mad:[/QUOTE]
Its probably because the only people who can take it down...
...enjoy it.
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[QUOTE=Lankist;16944290]Have you read the thread?
The law doesn't work like that. If you are a post-pubescent most states give you proxy-consent, meaning you can consent to intercourse with someone within an approximate age in relation to yours. This does not include filming pornography.
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The legal age of consent at 18 is merely a marker that anyone above 18 no longer has to abide by approximate age with someone else above 18.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I wasn't talking about age to film pornos, although the same arbitrary age-marker applies. However, I'm leaving the discussion now because I would be obligated to read the rest of your guy's argument, and I'm not feeling up to it.
iwould post a shock image of that fat women.. actually i think i will..
iomagine this going topless, retards:
actually link is broken.. it was kind of a funny picture too. obese women on a bed, and ther are legs sticking out from under her.. lo
Porn is not free.
People work to make pornos.
Children do not get paid to work.
Do the math guys....
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