Feminist Arrested After Being An Annoying Feminist - General

Both sides were idiots and I can't agree with either of them, but why did she get arrested instead of them when they attacked her?

[QUOTE=Jackald;45170298]I like the term "equal rights activist". Cause that's like, hey, everyone should get the same opportunities, regardless of sex, race, gender, background etc.[/QUOTE] yeah but there are many sides to the issue. feminism seeks to fix one of them, there's nothing wrong with that

[QUOTE=Jackald;45170298]I like the term "equal rights activist". Cause that's like, hey, everyone should get the same opportunities, regardless of sex, race, gender, background etc.[/QUOTE] I prefer that too, it isn't just focused on women and includes things like race/background too. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45171404]yeah but there are many sides to the issue. feminism seeks to fix one of them, there's nothing wrong with that[/QUOTE] Nothing wrong with feminism, but it's stupid when some feminists and equalists fight each other over what to label themself when they both basically want equality.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45170432]that's how i see both sides of this. like, remember that post i've made like 5 times in the last month? the one where i say how some people are [I]technically[/I] correct, but the way they articulate their opinion is just terrible. that applies to both the 4chan guys who laugh at tumblr people, and the tumblr people who try to spread information in a really flaky and incorrect way good thing that the extremes of both sides, be it the amazing atheist or some tumblr person, are so small that they probably won't have a lasting effect on "REAL" equal rights outside of the internet. also side-ish note, i'm a huge perpetrator of this, but i've been noticing that a lot of the arguments on the internet have been over dumb semantics. it's hard to notice that when you're in the middle of an argument, but if you take an outside look it's just.. wow. like, i skimmed through pages of some assassin's creed gender-related stuff and one guy was saying his thing, and for an entire page it was just him saying "this is what i meant" and then the other people going "no, the word means ____ so you meant this" i even go back into threads that i posted in months earlier and went "hah wow im fucking stupid."[/QUOTE] It doesn't help the feminist side when they change the meanings of words, such as patriarchy and rape [editline]21st June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;45170947]For a while that was "egalitarian", but that quickly became flanderized (by both feminists and shitty "egalitarians") into "feminism is evil i dont believe in feminism i believe in equality"[/QUOTE] So feminists say that egalitarians don't believe in feminism because they think it is evil? You got a source on that?

All I see is a bunch of degenerates...

I think he pushed her because she was trying to grab the camera, if you pay close attention you see the camera violently shake around 2:33 and you hear someone (the camera man?) saying "hey don't touch me man!" and right at that moment the black guy notices it and pushes her away. Also he didn't look like he put any effort into pushing her, just consider her weight for a moment, even if you were as big as that guy was it would still take some effort to roll her across the floor like that. She defiantly appears to be acting out that fall in order to get some attention from bystanders. She was being 'teamed up' by a group of guys so I can see her motive to play the victim card as a last stand.

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45172303][B]It doesn't help the feminist side when they change the meanings of words, such as patriarchy and rape[/B][/QUOTE] uhm ok? legitimate source on this please (if one even exists)

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45171231]And then everyone started saying that egalitarians were just closet MRAs in the same way people say Feminists are all closet Feminazis[/QUOTE] an MRA is the exact same thing as a feminist, but on the opposite side, I know I'm going to get a ton of shit for this but it's 100% true.

[QUOTE=katbug;45172670]an MRA is the exact same thing as a feminist, but on the opposite side, I know I'm going to get a ton of shit for this but it's 100% true.[/QUOTE] [url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movement#Various_claims[/url] whoop

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45172303]It doesn't help the feminist side when they change the meanings of words, such as patriarchy and rape[/QUOTE] what does this post even mean [editline]20th June 2014[/editline] like, what? huh? where does this come from? [editline]20th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;45170661]I have watched this video three times now and still can't actually find what arguments you are referring to. The first thing that could potentially lead in to an argument/position of belief is her asking if the men have experienced rape (which seems to be her lead on to 'then you have no right to argue x') yet she explicitly asks if they've had a dick shoved anywhere, as if that's the only kind of rape. Then she states that all men sexually harass women. That isn't a flaky argument, that's a completely idiotic and grossly false statement. She uses interrupting women as an example of sexual harassment, my distaste of that notion hopefully needs no explanation.[/QUOTE] yeah i guess "arguments" wasn't really a good word for what she was doing. they were sure as hell "arguing" but they weren't really using "arguments," then again neither of them seemed like they've ever participated in a middle school debate in english class so i don't think this video would be any different if they had clipboards with MLA-cited notes and shit. it's more like both of the sides were trying to convert the other through sheer volume of voice.

[QUOTE=katbug;45172670]an MRA is the exact same thing as a feminist, but on the opposite side, I know I'm going to get a ton of shit for this but it's 100% true.[/QUOTE] Even if that's meant to be the case, the amount of misogynists in the MRA group is pretty massive and is just a joke right now. I don't know the history of it that well so I have no idea if at some stage it was actually half decent and got worse over time.

Oh god this is hilarious. The woman accuses them of sexism, they accuse her of racism, and both seem to have no ground for their arguments other than "our ancestors/other women were oppressed too!". It's a situation that's bound to go ballistic.

she doesn't have a point shes just like "all men harass women" and then when they want her to explain she just says "SPECTRUM SPECTRUM SPECTRUM!!!!!" edit; also these guys are pretty annoying too

[QUOTE=Ownederd;45172676][url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movement#Various_claims[/url] whoop[/QUOTE] It's been known for awhile that Rationalwiki has been going downhill for some time now, mainly due to the small but "loud" number of contributors. Use Iron chariots if you care for less biased arguments.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;45172651]uhm ok? legitimate source on this please (if one even exists)[/QUOTE] Patriarchy is a social system in which males are the primary authority figures central to social organization, occupy roles of political leadership, moral authority and control of property, and where fathers hold authority over women and children. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and entails female subordination. Many patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. And yet many feminists claim that western societies are all patriarchies, when there are female politicians, female judges, female etc... And the change of the meaning of rape led to the wrong statistics that say that 1 in 5 women will be raped in their life time [video=youtube;lNsJ1DhqQ-s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNsJ1DhqQ-s[/video] How can you even come to that amount of rapes when you look at the number from the FBI [url]http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-06-rape-decline_N.htm[/url] Oh and don't forget [QUOTE]Rape culture is a concept that links rape and sexual violence to the culture of a society,[1] and in which prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape.[/QUOTE] From this definition, one would say that there is no rape culture in western society. Because rape is classified as a crime. So why do many feminists say that there is one?

[QUOTE=Primigenes;45170867]Man these guys are comedic gold [video=youtube;NPbfWUa4rlk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbfWUa4rlk[/video][/QUOTE] These guys aren't fucking protesting. They're baiting people into an argument which they know they'll come out better from, they ask him questions they've only revised over and over on that street. Did you see how they attacked that family for no fucking reason? Then that skateboarder reacted to what they said which obviously wound him up a bit and then as soon as the person criticized to the point they deemed "too far" they let the cops deal with. Funny how respectful those men became when the cop came to deal with the situation.

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45173632] And yet many feminists claim that western societies are all patriarchies, when there are female politicians, female judges, female etc... [/QUOTE] My Sister is expected to inherit her Husband's last name, and even though I'm younger than her, I am set to inherit much more of the family's property; I would at least consider this problematic in a western society. I think the other big problem as you see them "Changing" the definition of rape, they are simple making it more inclusive, and while they should add finer degradation, E.G Emotional Abuse VS Physical abuse categories, instead of assuming all Emotional Abuse as Physical, simply getting after them for the news not reporting properly is wrong.

[QUOTE=Jackald;45170298]I like the term "equal rights activist". Cause that's like, hey, everyone should get the same opportunities, regardless of sex, race, gender, background etc.[/QUOTE] Except that's exactly what feminism is. To achieve equality, you have to pay more attention to the groups which are less privileged. In an unequal society, treating everyone equally only enforces inequality. [editline]21st June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=katbug;45172670]an MRA is the exact same thing as a feminist, but on the opposite side, I know I'm going to get a ton of shit for this but it's 100% true.[/QUOTE] Feminism is in the interest of everyone, the mens rights movement is only concerned with male interests.

What did she even get arrested for?

[QUOTE=glitchvid;45173680]My Sister is expected to inherit her Husband's last name, and even though I'm younger than her, I am set to inherit much more of the family's property; I would at least consider this problematic in a western society. I think the other big problem as you see them "Changing" the definition of rape, they are simple making it more inclusive, and while they should add finer degradation, E.G Emotional Abuse VS Physical abuse categories, instead of assuming all Emotional Abuse as Physical, simply getting after them for the news not reporting properly is wrong.[/QUOTE] How can you sexually penetrate someone with emotional abuse?

[QUOTE=glitchvid;45173680]My Sister is expected to inherit her Husband's last name, and even though I'm younger than her, I am set to inherit much more of the family's property; I would at least consider this problematic in a western society. [/QUOTE] What a nice argument. [b]Your[/b] family has some shit going on, and that's problematic [b]in a Western society[/b]. Yeah sure.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;45173680]My Sister is expected to inherit her Husband's last name, and even though I'm younger than her, I am set to inherit much more of the family's property; I would at least consider this problematic in a western society.[/QUOTE] Expected doesn't mean that she has to, she can still keep her last name. And are you sure that you get more of your family's property just because you are male? I tried to find the law that says that female inheritance has to be less than the males, but couldn't find it. Just because that shit happens in your family, doesn't mean the whole western society is like that. Why can't you just give her part of your inheritance to make it equal?

[QUOTE=Kenneth;45173692]Except that's exactly what feminism is. To achieve equality, you have to pay more attention to the groups which are less privileged. In an unequal society, treating everyone equally only enforces inequality. [editline]21st June 2014[/editline] Feminism is in the interest of everyone, the mens rights movement is only concerned with male interests.[/QUOTE] You are contradicting yourself.

everyone in this video is stupid, i looked at those guys' other videos and they're just preaching stupid homophobic shit etc i really think if everyone just shut the fuck up we'd all get along nicely in today's society

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;45173703]What did she even get arrested for?[/QUOTE] resisting arrest i think

[QUOTE=katbug;45172670]an MRA is the exact same thing as a feminist, but on the opposite side, I know I'm going to get a ton of shit for this but it's 100% true.[/QUOTE] Nonononono MRA is just a bunch of extremists, I know because I went I their subreddit which shows them being extreme Wat nononono no ACTUAL feminists are extremists, you are using the tumblr group to generalize them The double standard on FP SH

[QUOTE=isnipeu;45171375]Both sides were idiots and I can't agree with either of them, but why did she get arrested instead of them when they attacked her?[/QUOTE] In what fantasy world of yours is shoving someone away because they are not only entering your personal space but they are also harassing you, assault?

[QUOTE=glitchvid;45173680]My Sister is expected to inherit her Husband's last name, and even though I'm younger than her, I am set to inherit much more of the family's property; I would at least consider this problematic in a western society. I think the other big problem as you see them "Changing" the definition of rape, they are simple making it more inclusive, and while they should add finer degradation, E.G Emotional Abuse VS Physical abuse categories, instead of assuming all Emotional Abuse as Physical, simply getting after them for the news not reporting properly is wrong.[/QUOTE] Hell, my family (and extended) would be considered so fucking backwards on FP, yet when my cousin didn't take her husbands last name, absolutely no one gave a shit. At all.

[QUOTE=isnipeu;45171375]Both sides were idiots and I can't agree with either of them, but why did she get arrested instead of them when they attacked her?[/QUOTE] They shoved her away and she insisted. They were the ones standing ground and she was the one who approached them, so as far as the police is concerned, she was wrong.

[QUOTE=Kenneth;45173692]Except that's exactly what feminism is. To achieve equality, you have to pay more attention to the groups which are less privileged. In an unequal society, treating everyone equally only enforces inequality. [editline]21st June 2014[/editline] Feminism is in the interest of everyone, the mens rights movement is only concerned with male interests.[/QUOTE] Not to generalize all feminists, but many won't even listen if you even dare to suggest that just maybe men might not have it better in certain areas.