Feminist Arrested After Being An Annoying Feminist - General

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45174090]Nonononono MRA is just a bunch of extremists, I know because I went I their subreddit which shows them being extreme Wat nononono no ACTUAL feminists are extremists, you are using the tumblr group to generalize them The double standard on FP SH[/QUOTE] How is that even a "double standard"? You can't judge a whole movement from cherry-picked crazies on a website which has no fundamental link with feminism. On the other hand, the men's rights subreddit has [I]a hundred thousand[/I] members and is de facto a representative portion of their community. It interacts back-and-forth with A Voice For Men, one of the most toxic facets of masculinity you'll ever have the displeasure of seeing on the Internet. The Men's Rights movement is an inherently flawed facet of the gender equality movement because it's formed on the presumption that feminism is a "side" of the gender debate for the advancement of women only and that men need the same thing in return in order to compete. The concept that men need some sort of "counter-movement" to fight back against a movement which seeks total equality of the sexes just shows to go how ignorant people are about the goals of feminism. And the solution is not to go "but I'm an equalist, not a feminist", it's counter-productive [editline]21st June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;45175213]Not to generalize all feminists, but many won't even listen if you even dare to suggest that just maybe men might not have it better in certain areas.[/QUOTE] "Not to generalize, but [insert generalization here]" One of the biggest differences between feminists and MRAs is that feminists think that societal gender roles are the main reason behind most of men's problems ("men aren't supposed to have feelings", "men aren't supposed to take care of their children", "men aren't supposed to be weak" etc.) while MRAs think women (and feminism) are the main cause of most of men's problems. A movement & philosophy which seeks to eradicate gender-based preconceptions, stereotypes and discriminations affects women AND men for the better of everyone involved.

MRA is nothing but a sad knee jerk reaction to feminism.

The original video crops out the beginning. turns out the guys were preaching something about lgbt [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFhOY0Ni64M[/url] either way i find this situation to be really idiotic on both sides, with the woman beinging in rape out of nowhere and the guys preaching to begin with

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45175308]How is that even a "double standard"? You can't judge a whole movement from cherry-picked crazies on a website which has no fundamental link with feminism. On the other hand, the men's rights subreddit has [I]a hundred thousand[/I] members and is de facto a representative portion of their community. It interacts back-and-forth with A Voice For Men, one of the most toxic facets of masculinity you'll ever have the displeasure of seeing on the Internet. The Men's Rights movement is an inherently flawed facet of the gender equality movement because it's formed on the presumption that feminism is a "side" of the gender debate for the advancement of women only and that men need the same thing in return in order to compete. The concept that men need some sort of "counter-movement" to fight back against a movement which seeks total equality of the sexes just shows to go how ignorant people are about the goals of feminism. And the solution is not to go "but I'm an equalist, not a feminist", it's counter-productive[/QUOTE] So they way to convince a group of people who think they are under attack by feminism that they aren't under attack is by attacking them and calling them ignorant? And the way to convince a movement that you think believes feminism is not about equality is by saying that their movement is not equal to feminism? That's what's counter productive here.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45175308] And the solution is not to go "but I'm an equalist, not a feminist", it's counter-productive [/QUOTE] Why is it counter-productive? I don’t personally identify with feminism because I don’t want to be associated with radicals like Valerie Solanas. It's easy to just say that all the parts so of feminism you disagree with aren’t real feminism but it still exists and is still indelibly associated with feminism. Equally I agree that most of the MRA movements are just closeted misogynists. Describing yourself as a humanist or an equalist seems like the obvious solution, it comes with none of the baggage of feminism or MRA and still supports equality. Identifying with egalitarianism in the abstract also has the added benefit of not just addressing gender issues but also issues of class, race and sexuality.

[QUOTE=Aidan_088;45176270] Describing yourself as a humanist or an equalist seems like the obvious solution, it comes with none of the baggage of feminism or MRA and still supports equality. Identifying with egalitarianism in the abstract also has the added benefit of not just addressing gender issues but also issues of class, race and sexuality.[/QUOTE] But [url=http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Intersectionality]intersectional[/url] feminism is already a thing?

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;45175353]MRA is nothing but a sad knee jerk reaction to feminism.[/QUOTE] Or maybe it's men realizing that society has taught them all their lives that any issues they face aren't worth doing anything about, because "you're a man, deal with it". Everybody's oppressed in different ways, giving everyone a voice is NOT a bad thing.

Can't we just feel like everyone deserves equal treatment and respect? Do you really want to be labelling, grouping, and organizing people in a system that determines their privilege rather than just thinking all people deserve that basic respect?

[QUOTE=Levithan;45176397]But [url=http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Intersectionality]intersectional[/url] feminism is already a thing?[/QUOTE] Then why still cling to the word "feminism"? What does that achieve other than causing confusion? It's similar to how feminists constantly complain about the patriarchy whereas if they actually took intersectionality seriously they would be talking about the kyriarchy. Words can have great power and feminism is a problematic term with too much negative baggage to achieve its long term goals. It would be much easier to gain broader support if the word was dropped in favor of something like egalitarianism, humanism or equalism.

[QUOTE=Aidan_088;45176468]Then why still cling to the word "feminism"? What does that achieve other than causing confusion? It's similar to how feminists constantly complain about the patriarchy whereas if they actually took intersectionality seriously they would be talking about the kyriarchy. Words can have great power and feminism is a problematic term with too much negative baggage to achieve its long term goals. It would be much easier to gain broader support if the word was dropped in favor of something like egalitarianism, humanism or equalism.[/QUOTE] Except feminism is already a form of equalism and egalitarianism, just specified on gender roles (though like Levithan said there is intersectionality). Also humanism already means something specific that doesn't really have much to do with gender. (it has to do with religiousity)

[QUOTE=Valnar;45176733]Except feminism is already a form of equalism and egalitarianism, just specified on gender roles (though like Levithan said there is intersectionality). Also humanism already means something specific that doesn't really have much to do with gender. (it has to do with religiousity)[/QUOTE] Humanism is perhaps equally not a very good term in that it can have religious connotations, but secular humanism also exists. [url]https://humanism.org.uk/[/url] I agree Feminism technically is a movement that seeks equality the problem is that of perceptions. The fact that we are having the conversation proves that point, most people associate Feminsim primarily with gender equality. Egalitarianism or equalism wouldn’t have that problem. I don’t understand the resistance, if you already agree that intersectionality is important why not just drop the problematic feminist label?

[QUOTE=Big Bang;45171097]wait they're fucking clapping and victoriously yelling "death to America"...as the police are doing their job and arresting the woman? [/QUOTE] Isn't that the point? They're yelling something extremely unorthodox while the justice system is helping them because they know they did nothing wrong. It also adds salt to the wound for the woman because she was playing the victim and attention-whoring but ended up getting arrested.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45175308]One of the biggest differences between feminists and MRAs is that [B]feminists think that societal gender roles are the main reason [/B]behind most of men's problems ("men aren't supposed to have feelings", "men aren't supposed to take care of their children", "men aren't supposed to be weak" etc.) [B]while MRAs think women[/B] (and feminism) [B]are the main cause of most of men's problems.[/B][/QUOTE] Haven't you said in another thread that it was men who made the gender roles and it's men who maintain them? So in fact [your version of] feminism is exactly the same as MRA, just the opposite side of the scale. [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45175308]A movement & philosophy which seeks to eradicate gender-based preconceptions, stereotypes and discriminations affects women AND men for the better of everyone involved.[/QUOTE] Sure. But feminism is a really broad term. It describes everyone who supports equality, and it does it regardless of the means they do it. You and a couple other vocal people on this site call themselves feminists, and even though we both would like to see gender roles gone, I'm not going to call myself a feminist simply because I don't want to be put in the same bag with you and yours alike. There can be many ideologies/organizations with the same goal but having different idea about how to reach it and thus having a different name and there is nothing wrong with that. There's a million things you could be when you say you're a feminist. Maybe some people want to be more specific about who they are (not). Maybe some people just want to distance themselves from the likes of you.

Equal rights equal fights. They should have had it out.

Feminism is not the problem here. None of that is. Here is the problem: She never [I]needed[/I] to go up to that group and start giving her opinion, she could have kept walking.

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;45177060]Equal rights equal fights. They should have had it out.[/QUOTE] Yeah man! Equal Rights Equal Fights! If women want to have the same rights as men I should also get to hit them! MASCULINE! ...or you could strive for a society where hitting others is unacceptable, but then where's the fun in that?

[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;45177165]Yeah man! Equal Rights Equal Fights! If women want to have the same rights as men I should also get to hit them! MASCULINE! ...or you could strive for a society where hitting others is unacceptable, but then where's the fun in that?[/QUOTE] I wish I could rate you gay and dumb.

[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;45177165]Yeah man! Equal Rights Equal Fights! If women want to have the same rights as men I should also get to hit them! MASCULINE! ...or you could strive for a society where hitting others is unacceptable, but then where's the fun in that?[/QUOTE] gosh darn it i should be able to hit women..... they don't let me? barf

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;45177048]Haven't you said in another thread that it was men who made the gender roles and it's men who maintain them? So in fact [your version of] feminism is exactly the same as MRA, just the opposite side of the scale[/QUOTE] Not exactly. Men have created and maintain gender roles in the sense that it's the definition of a patriarchal society. This is what feminism, as a movement and philosophy, tries to combat. On the other hand you have the reactionary kneejerk of MRAs whose rhetoric amounts to wanting to uphold the statu quo. Do you see where the difference lies? It's a fundamental one. I shouldn't have to spell it out for you. [QUOTE=Silly Sil;45177048]You and a couple other vocal people on this site call themselves feminists, and even though we both would like to see gender roles gone, I'm not going to call myself a feminist simply because I don't want to be put in the same bag with you and yours alike. [/QUOTE] I've never called myself a feminist. It's other people who apply that label onto me.

Whenever I see videos like this one I just see two sides who are both yelling with extremely fragile voices and arguments hoping that the other side will break first and then they deviate and start with the ad hominem/"you interrupted me let me finish" bullshit and it just gives off this really embarrassing vibe :S

[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;45177165] ...or you could strive for a society where hitting others is unacceptable, but then where's the fun in that?[/QUOTE] The stupidity of this statement can only meet some competition in "We should stop all wars forever" and "Stop all crime". Ain't happening, isn't deserving of any real thought.

I got in a argument with a feminist who just wanted to be treated better to men. I told her "Men get better treatment then women; yes, but women get better treatment than men. It all depends on the matter." She tried to bring up [b]clothing[/b] to support her case. Fucking clothing. I later told her that is this generation, white men are starting to be treated less. She said I was a dumbass, so then I told her about [URL="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action"]affirmative action.[/URL] She continued to make herself look stupid with false facts & illogical logic. She later went onto the subject of rape. She told me that she knows a bunch of women that have been raped, but not a single man that has been raped. I doubted that she knew a lot of rape victims. A couple, maybe. I told her that men can also be raped. She claimed that it was impossible. I asked her what the definition of rape was. She didn't answer me, so I said "Rape is sex without consent." After a few minutes of correcting her, she just left.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45177212]Not exactly. Men have created and maintain gender roles in the sense that it's the definition of a patriarchal society. This is what feminism, as a movement and philosophy, tries to combat. On the other hand you have the reactionary kneejerk of MRAs whose rhetoric amounts to wanting to uphold the statu quo.[/QUOTE] You're shifting the point here. We were not talking about the origin of the ideology but about the logic of it. You said the logic of MRA is that everything is the women's fault. Then you said how completely different feminism is because it says it's the fault of gender roles, which you said are made by men. So in other words you just said that feminism says everything is the men's fault. Which means you are saying the same exact thing as the MRAs are saying, just the on opposite side of the scale. Do you really not see that? You are just as biased and far gone as MRA. It's ludicrous that you can see that in them but ignore it in yourself. It's like looking at one religious extremist telling a religious extremist of another religion how their god doesn't exist. [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45177212]Do you see where the difference lies? It's a fundamental one. I shouldn't have to spell it out for you.[/QUOTE] Do you ever get off your high horse? [QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45177212]I've never called myself a feminist. It's other people who apply that label onto me.[/QUOTE] You are the typical completely and utterly one sided feminist who acts like he's better and smarter than everyone else, the (negative) stereotype of the word feminist. The very stereotype people are trying to get around by calling themselves something other than a feminist. You don't have to call yourself that. Everybody knows you are one once you start acting like you're the only one who knows what feminism is and that everyone else is a idiot and you will graciously explain it to them or when you throw a fit in defense of a woman (women) over some stupid juvenile joke or something like that.

[QUOTE=gudman;45177249]The stupidity of this statement can only meet some competition in "We should stop all wars forever" and "Stop all crime". Ain't happening, isn't deserving of any real thought.[/QUOTE] he didn't say we should stop all fighting forever he said thats what we should strive for, which is a little bit different

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;45177171]I wish I could rate you gay and dumb.[/QUOTE] ...I really don't know what to say to that. [QUOTE=gudman;45177249]The stupidity of this statement can only meet some competition in "We should stop all wars forever" and "Stop all crime". Ain't happening, isn't deserving of any real thought.[/QUOTE] Can't a man dream of a world where the sentiment "yehr ruff up that woman for being a feminist" (and its more general form "yer, ruff up that person for being different") is seen as unacceptable? Don't get me wrong, humans are flawed and the world we live in will never be perfect, but at the same time that's no excuse to say "fuck it, the world will never be better, anyone who thinks otherwise is a foolish dreamer, everyone else should just accept the status quo like I have"

Their reaction to the " have you ever had a cock shoved up inside of you? " was fucking golden [b]THEY SAY DEEPER[/b] [img]http://puu.sh/9EaRD.jpg[/img]

I fought your mom with my sword last night as in I had sex with her using my penis

I just took a gender communications class at college last quarter where 3 girls got kicked out for acting this way. It hurts your own cause when you yell in the face of the opposition, no one will want to listen to you if you yell at them and some people just don't understand that. It puts a bad taste in everyone's mouth when you mention equal rights because of people like this.

political/philosophical groups in general are just awful Whenever you get a bunch of labeled people together they end up isolating from and becoming afraid of people without that label. It doesn't matter if its feminism, men's rights, atheism, veganism, nerds, whatever. Then the MRAs who're afraid of women talk with the feminists who're afraid of men and it all turns into a big defensive clusterfuck where everyone's out to get everyone else because everyone thinks that everyone else is out to get them. in reality feminists aren't undermining men and MRAs aren't prolonging the oppression of women. Neither group hardly ever does anything but talk, and practically the only people that listen are people who already have their opinions set anyway. In fact, this video is a great representation of that. A handful of people who care arguing while hundreds of people just walk on by.

[QUOTE=Nazereth666;45177668]I just took a gender communications class at college last quarter where 3 girls got kicked out for acting this way. It hurts your own cause when you yell in the face of the opposition, no one will want to listen to you if you yell at them and some people just don't understand that. It puts a bad taste in everyone's mouth when you mention equal rights because of people like this.[/QUOTE] The instant you lose your shit in an argument is the instant you lose