Feminist Arrested After Being An Annoying Feminist

[Zombie]

You guys are the reason I continue to come to Facepunch.

Had a shitty day at work, read through this thread, laugh my ass off, and move on.

Never change.

[isnipeu]

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45175308]And the solution is not to go "but I'm an equalist, not a feminist", it's counter-productive[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=isnipeu;45171612]Nothing wrong with feminism, but it's stupid when some feminists and equalists fight each other over what to label themself when they both basically want equality.[/QUOTE] That's what is counter-productive, why do you insist on shoving the feminist label onto people?

[Silly Sil]

[QUOTE=isnipeu;45178370]That's what is counter-productive, why do you insist on shoving the feminist label onto people?[/QUOTE]
Because using a different label implies something being wrong with feminism and their SJW nature cannot stand it. They just have to defend it.

[FFStudios]

i dunno when the camera guy tried to pan and the women jumped in front of the camera she got way too close to those guys. they used the least amount of force possible to move her from the area. all they did was push her. they didn't jump on her, hell i didn't even see one take a step forward. they held their ground and didn't do shit

i don't see any problem with it. if i was her i sure as hell wouldn't have jumped that close to those people just to get my face in front of a camera. stupid idiot just looking for the publicity

[zukriuchen]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;45178410]Because using a different label implies something being wrong with feminism and their SJW nature cannot stand it. They just have to defend it.[/QUOTE]

You're actually kinda right, actually.

Trying to change the label implies there's something wrong with feminism, you got that right. But there ISN'T anything wrong with it. The ideology behind it is still the same, but changing the label just because "feminist" has a bad rep amongst some groups would imply there's something wrong with the ideology itself, and not with some of the people who use it, which is the case.

[isnipeu]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45178478]You're actually kinda right, actually.

Trying to change the label implies there's something wrong with feminism, you got that right. But there ISN'T anything wrong with it. The ideology behind it is still the same, but changing the label just because "feminist" has a bad rep amongst some groups would imply there's something wrong with the ideology itself, and not with some of the people who use it, which is the case.[/QUOTE] Equalism is also not as specific as Feminism, which covers more things such as race.

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45178478]You're actually kinda right, actually.

Trying to change the label implies there's something wrong with feminism, you got that right. But there ISN'T anything wrong with it. The ideology behind it is still the same, but changing the label just because "feminist" has a bad rep amongst some groups would imply there's something wrong with the ideology itself, and not with some of the people who use it, which is the case.[/QUOTE]

So even with a more aptly fitting name, admitting that you don't have the best name possible is just outside the question?

[FFStudios]

i don't give a shit whether you're white, black, male, female, otherkin, who gives a fuck. even if you hate the shit out of the other person, if your two feet are within the borders of the USA, y'all gotta share the same space as them. let them do their thing, no matter how much you disagree

don't want to be seeing any of this "they only shoved her because she was female" nonsense. you think if a dude got up in there the same thing would have happened? you bet your ass. you put any person that disagrees up in their face and they're going to push you away if they feel they have to. what matters is the force used to move them away and in this case, all they did was shove her. literally the least possible fucking force. i may hate the fuck out of what the religious extremists have to say but damn do i like how they handled that

[Silly Sil]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45178478]You're actually kinda right, actually.

Trying to change the label implies there's something wrong with feminism, you got that right. But there ISN'T anything wrong with it. The ideology behind it is still the same, but changing the label just because "feminist" has a bad rep amongst some groups would imply there's something wrong with the ideology itself, and not with some of the people who use it, which is the case.[/QUOTE]
No, I never said there is something wrong with the ideology itself. However you have a good chance that there is going to be something wrong with a person who calls themselves a feminist, people will assume you are one of those people if you call yourself a one, and thus, people who don't want to be put in the same bag with them will use a different label. And those different labels might have the same goal, in which case it's clear you're not against the ideology but you have something against the other movements with the same goal.

[Thaard]

lol interrupting is now assault?

[dilzinyomouth]

Is this staged, shes like the perfect encapsulation of a tumblr feminist

Highly emotional, stands there exasperated like her state demands an explanation by the offending party, when she's given a chance to speak she can't even express a coherent thought, and realizing that she changes it to something completely irrelevant

"all men sexually harass women!"
" have YOU ever been RAPED?"

Everyone in this video is retarded. I'm surprised these dudes haven't been arrested yet, they came close in a few of their other videos.

Also wasn't the #yesallwomen tag a false flag created by 4chan?

[MaxOfS2D]

[QUOTE=isnipeu;45178498]Feminism is also not as specific as Equalism, which covers more things such as race.[/QUOTE]

Feminism is intersectional.

[editline]22nd June 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;45178688]Also wasn't the #yesallwomen tag a false flag created by 4chan?[/QUOTE]

you're thinking of #endfathersday

[editline]22nd June 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=FFStudios;45178550]i don't give a shit whether you're white, black, male, female, otherkin[/QUOTE]

The "otherkin" bullshit has nothing to do with feminism and social justice and is basically a strawman (generally used against transgender people). just so you know.

[GoogleyGareth]

It wouldn't be a thread about feminists if there weren't a post from Max being dumbed.

[zukriuchen]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;45178581]No, I never said there is something wrong with the ideology itself.[/QUOTE]

I never said you did. I said changing the label just because of negativity associated with it would imply the ideology is flawed.

[isnipeu]

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45178780]Feminism is intersectional.[/QUOTE] I've only ever heard of it being for the equality of women, is it not commonly talked about or something?

p.s. my previous post was meant to be the other way around.

[zukriuchen]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45178523]So even with a more aptly fitting name, admitting that you don't have the best name possible is just outside the question?[/QUOTE]

Are you saying egalitarian would be a more aptly fitting name?

[isnipeu]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45178966]I never said you did. I said changing the label just because of negativity associated with it would imply the ideology is flawed.[/QUOTE] I personally prefer to label myself as an equalist because the name is more clear on what it's about, it's not just focused on women, and you don't get the negativity associated with feminism.

But as I've said before, both sides should stop caring which one they label themself as and focus on actual problems that are harming our society (e.g. gender roles).

[Gez]

The woman was being a douche, but those guys bug me.
After watching a few videos of them it's like they are caught in a circle of constantly reassuring each other that their views are justified in a really insecure way. puts me on edge.

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45178979]Are you saying egalitarian would be a more aptly fitting name?[/QUOTE]

equalism, something. I'm behind feminist views for the most part. Under the term equalism, egalitarian, whatever you pick, I'm for equality.

I don't think feminism, which from the sounds of it(yes, I'm educated enough to know, not everyone has the luxuries you or I do) is about the empowerment of women, is the best front for equalism.

[Raidyr]

[QUOTE=katbug;45172670]an MRA is the exact same thing as a feminist, but on the opposite side, I know I'm going to get a ton of shit for this but it's 100% true.[/QUOTE]
Not really. I'm sure some individuals are mirrors of each other but speaking generally it's difficult to compare a centuries old egalitarian movement that has actually achieved innumerable goals in terms of society, economics, and politics with a very recent anti-feminist, anti-egalitarian group of reactionaries who achieve little to nothing through their slactivism and the few goals they do focus on are also focuses of feminists (actual feminists and not tumblr strawmen).
[QUOTE=katbug;45176430]Or maybe it's men realizing that society has taught them all their lives that any issues they face aren't worth doing anything about, because "you're a man, deal with it".

Everybody's oppressed in different ways, giving everyone a voice is NOT a bad thing.[/QUOTE]
Sure but Mens Rights Activism is not the voice men need. It's worthless slacktivism [I]at best[/I] and blatant reactionary misogyny at worst. Their focus is rarely on mens rights and almost exclusively on simply attacking feminism and other egalitarian groups. They frequently outright attack other men, labeling anyone who disagrees with their extremist views as "manginas" or social justice warriors.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45174090]Nonononono MRA is just a bunch of extremists, I know because I went I their subreddit which shows them being extreme

Wat nononono no ACTUAL feminists are extremists, you are using the tumblr group to generalize them

The double standard on FP SH[/QUOTE]
Well a fundamental difference is that the MRA subreddit is a [I]far[/I] more cohesive and focused place for fomenting discussion about Mens Rights Activism than Tumblr. On Tumblr you can find feminists who are really chill and you can find your weird "extremists" because anyone can make a blog on the internet and share their opinions but it's not exactly a one to one comparison between a few crazy people's blogs and thousands of people toeing the party line on a forum.

As already stated though by someone else, it's kind of pointless to play a game of which one has the most extremist members if we are just going to take the crazies from both sides. It's much more thorough to examine ideology.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;45173629]It's been known for awhile that Rationalwiki has been going downhill for some time now, mainly due to the small but "loud" number of contributors.
Use Iron chariots if you care for less biased arguments.[/QUOTE]
Can you actually shoot down any of those arguments though? I see the post with the link has 10 dumb ratings but not a single one actually countering the statements.

Though really at this point just seeing boxes from MRA's who refuse to actually retort is starting to become common place so maybe I'm just expecting too much.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45173632]
And the change of the meaning of rape led to the wrong statistics that say that 1 in 5 women will be raped in their life time
[video=youtube;lNsJ1DhqQ-s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNsJ1DhqQ-s[/video]
How can you even come to that amount of rapes when you look at the number from the FBI [URL]http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-06-rape-decline_N.htm[/URL]
[/QUOTE]
This is a strawman that I'm honestly not sure you are pushing out of ignorance or spite but the point was never that 1 in 5 women will be raped, it's that 1 in 5 women will be sexually assaulted, which is obviously a much wider and general claim.

Honestly I'd be surprised if 1 in 5 [I]men [/I]don't get sexually assaulted over their life time.

[editline]21st June 2014[/editline]

Also credit to that video, the study did include rather broad terms for what constitutes "sexual assault".

[Zenpod]

[QUOTE=isnipeu;45178973]I've only ever heard of it being for the equality of women, is it not commonly talked about or something?

p.s. my previous post was meant to be the other way around.[/QUOTE]

Dunno what feminist sources you're looking at, but all the ones I look at cover a plethora of topics. Including Transgenderism, Disability, People of colour, body issues and representation, they even talk about the problems within the feminist community and try and fix those problems. The ones I look at being Men and Feminism ([url]https://www.facebook.com/mfeminism[/url]), Rabid Feminist ([url]https://www.facebook.com/RabidFeminist[/url]) and Being Feminist ([url]https://www.facebook.com/BeingFeminist[/url]). The only one you could accuse of not being very Intersectional is Being Feminist and they still feature a lot of people of colour.

All depends where you're looking really.

[Raidyr]

Oh right, lets not forget that time the Mens Rights Activism subreddit banded together to [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/mens-rights-occidental-rape-reports_n_4468236.html"]file enough false rape claims to shut down a schools rape reporting website. [/URL]

For anyone thinking it was just a few crazies, the thread had over 700 upvotes and moderation did nothing to stop it. you really want these people advocating for your rights?

[Abufikatoo]

the point of feminism is to bring the female gender (and non-binary genders as well) up to an equal level with the male gender
so literally the point of feminism is gender equality; exactly what egalitarianism claims it's doing but without the useless fence-sitting and problematic avoidance of millenia of history and institutionalized prejudice and such problems rooted deep within the foundations of modern society

the point is also to attempt to end oppression and harm that ANYONE (including white men holy shit!) faces as caused by patriarchal conventions. deconstructing machismo which does damage to both sexes, ending rape apology and rape culture and all myths, fallacies, and atrocities that stem from those phenomena (including, yes, the myth that men are never raped), etc etc. the only thing it aims to "take away" from anyone or anything is the ability to propagate patriarchy-enabled prejudice and oppression without being met with any backlash. what we want to get rid of is not "your right to free speech" but societal conventions which so easily enable the oppression of marginalized people with minimal resistance.
and that's just the thing. i don't see egalitarianism putting up any of that resistance to oppressive behavior, which is absolutely essential. you are not helping anything if you allow people surrounding you to behave in ways that harm others, even if the consequences do not seem evident. just because you are not the only directly spreading hate and prejudice does not mean you are part of the solution; others are, around you, and not speaking against them allows them to keep doing that shit. do an actual favor and HELP.

also wow what the fuck that's fucking horrible about the MRAs and the rape reporting thing. how is that supposed to support any decent cause whatsoever. literally the only thing you have accomplished by getting that shut down is making children feel even more unsafe and have even less of a way to seek help for sexual violence than they already do. activism my fucking ass that is literally only going to hurt people.

there are issues specific to men that need addressing. issues with child custody, with support for male victims of abuse and rape, with the inhuman standards our society's concept of machismo creates for what you have to do to meet the criteria for being a "man" which can cause so much psychological damage to a kid growing up and encourages us to behave in honestly pretty fucking disgusting ways, with support for trans men, dude for real all of these things NEED attention and SHOULD be getting attention from people who call themselves activists for the rights of men

but "bitch said no thanks when i tried to buy her a drink i was just trying to be NICE fuckign CUNT" is not one of these things

[Thorador]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;45179546]Oh right, lets not forget that time the Mens Rights Activism subreddit banded together to [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/mens-rights-occidental-rape-reports_n_4468236.html"]file enough false rape claims to shut down a schools rape reporting website. [/URL]

For anyone thinking it was just a few crazies, the thread had over 700 upvotes and moderation did nothing to stop it. you really want these people advocating for your rights?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;45179546]Oh right, lets not forget that time the Mens Rights Activism subreddit banded together to [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/mens-rights-occidental-rape-reports_n_4468236.html"]file enough false rape claims to shut down a schools rape reporting website. [/URL]

For anyone thinking it was just a few crazies, the thread had over 700 upvotes and moderation did nothing to stop it. you really want these people advocating for your rights?[/QUOTE]

Internet Feminism is far too tainted with the crazies, it will never be the feminism that it was in the past, I can't talk anywhere about feminism without being cringed at.
I feel really bad for the movement as a whole.
Every time I try to engage with feminists or MRA's I feel like shit, I don't want to do it anymore.
The people who're vocal, are the most toxic people I've met in my life.
They're fueled by anger and hatred, not reason.
I've given up on the whole social justice community as a whole :(

[Zenpod]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;45179546]Oh right, lets not forget that time the Mens Rights Activism subreddit banded together to [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/mens-rights-occidental-rape-reports_n_4468236.html"]file enough false rape claims to shut down a schools rape reporting website. [/URL]

For anyone thinking it was just a few crazies, the thread had over 700 upvotes and moderation did nothing to stop it. you really want these people advocating for your rights?[/QUOTE]

if we're talking about how MRAs suck, how about we mention how sexist and downright abusive one of their posterboy group A Voice for Men are.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evNf1PssYy4[/media]

[Abufikatoo]

i can at least say that yes im fueled by anger because the 18 years of my life i spent identifying as female were fucking infuriating and consisted largely of me hating everything i was and wanting to die because of what kind of things get pounded into you every day for being female

[zukriuchen]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45179209]equalism, something. I'm behind feminist views for the most part. Under the term equalism, egalitarian, whatever you pick, I'm for equality.

I don't think feminism, which from the sounds of it(yes, I'm educated enough to know, not everyone has the luxuries you or I do) is about the empowerment of women, is the best front for equalism.[/QUOTE]

But that's subjective (not saying you're denying that). No front should be labeled as "the best".

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45180103]But that's subjective (not saying you're denying that). No front should be labeled as "the best".[/QUOTE]

well yeah it's subjective but to me a philosophy about making things as equal as it can between all groups and subgroups shouldn't really be named after just one of the sexes in my opinion

[zukriuchen]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45180138]well yeah it's subjective but to me a philosophy about making things as equal as it can between all groups and subgroups shouldn't really be named after just one of the sexes in my opinion[/QUOTE]

it's about making things equal for women, and based on the fact that women aren't equal to men in modern society, it makes complete sense to name it after one of the sexes

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45180177]it's about making things equal for women, and based on the fact that women aren't equal to men in modern society, it makes complete sense to name it after one of the sexes[/QUOTE]

so it's not really about equalizing everything then, just a group of people

equalism adds in race and class to the equation, i think that's an important thing to