Feminist Arrested After Being An Annoying Feminist - General

To be honest I think both parties were kind of being crazy here but I think it's pathetic that her spectrum of "Sexual Harassment" was basically any negative interaction

Holy shit, look at those guy's videos, they're fucking insane.

that was going pretty ok until they pushed her to the ground, that shi was really not ok and basically abstained them from any credibility (not like they had a lot to begin with)

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45180272]so it's not really about equalizing everything then, just a group of people equalism adds in race and class to the equation, i think that's an important thing to[/QUOTE] yes but some people may not want to focus on ALL issues of inequality. does that mean they don't want everyone to be equal? no, but not because of their feminist (for example) ideology. basically, most labels aren't exactly about what those groups want but where they act

I loved the cop reaction when they were screaming. [img]http://puu.sh/9EQjp/06a9e440eb.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45180177][B]it's about making things equal for women[/B], and based on the fact that women aren't equal to men in modern society, it makes complete sense to name it after one of the sexes[/QUOTE] And that's why some people who don't want to focus on women issues but on inequality in general will use a different label. What is the problem seriously?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;45179396] This is a strawman that I'm honestly not sure you are pushing out of ignorance or spite but the point was never that 1 in 5 women will be raped, it's that 1 in 5 women will be sexually assaulted, which is obviously a much wider and general claim. Honestly I'd be surprised if 1 in 5 [I]men [/I]don't get sexually assaulted over their life time. [editline]21st June 2014[/editline] Also credit to that video, the study did include rather broad terms for what constitutes "sexual assault".[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_executive_summary-a.pdf[/url] [IMG]http://oi61.tinypic.com/1zzq41s.jpg[/IMG] You call me ignorant when you didn't even read the paper.

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45181878][url]http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_executive_summary-a.pdf[/url] [IMG]http://oi61.tinypic.com/1zzq41s.jpg[/IMG] You call me ignorant when you didn't even read the paper.[/QUOTE] The way this paper is worded seems like they're only counting forced penetration as rape instead of non-consensual sex, which would exclude many cases of rape tho

[QUOTE=Fudgeblood;45183583]The way this paper is worded seems like they're only counting forced penetration as rape instead of non-consensual sex, which would exclude many cases of rape tho[/QUOTE] Non-consensual sex is counted as forced penetration and/or alcohol facilitated penetration, is it not?

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45181878] You call me ignorant when you didn't even read the paper.[/QUOTE] The FBI statistics you didn't link in the USA Today article that didn't provide them referenced the rates of rape in one year where as the CDC "paper" references "over a lifetime". I'd like to know how the CDC got those numbers in more detail but you're still wrong.

[QUOTE=gudman;45183605]Non-consensual sex is counted as forced penetration and/or alcohol facilitated penetration, is it not?[/QUOTE] Yeah of course, but isn't it possible to have non-consensual sex without being penetrated by someone? the way it's worded kind of implies that if no one forcefully penetrated you it doesn't [i]really[/i] count as rape, which is kind of reinforcing the belief that women can't rape men

The FBI stats for 2008, 2009, and 2010 also don't include non-consensual sex, just forcible rape that is committed "with the threat or force of violence" and excludes non-violent sexual offenses so it's not comprehensive either.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;45183649] I'd like to know how the CDC got those numbers in more detail but you're still wrong.[/QUOTE] Well apparently their Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence programme operates by phone surveys.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;45181698]And that's why some people who don't want to focus on women issues but on inequality in general will use a different label. What is the problem seriously?[/QUOTE] The problem is that you don't see people complaining that organizations for the equality of african americans don't do anything to solve inequality for native americans. You don't see movements for the integration of homosexuals in society getting complaints about how they're not doing anything against the discrimination of muslims. Why the fuck is this a problem when it comes to feminists? If someone wants to label themselves as that why push for a different name?

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45184267]The problem is that you don't see people complaining that organizations for the equality of african americans don't do anything to solve inequality for native americans. You don't see movements for the integration of homosexuals in society getting complaints about how they're not doing anything against the discrimination of muslims. Why the fuck is this a problem when it comes to feminists? If someone wants to label themselves as that why push for a different name? [/QUOTE] Who the fuck is complaining that feminists are not doing anything to solve other inequalities? And how the fuck did you shift the point from "let me call myself equalist or egalitarian instead of a feminist" into "feminism is a wrong word and nobody should use it, it should be something else"? [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45184267] If someone wants to label themselves as that why push for a different name?[/QUOTE] I am the one asking this question!

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45184267]The problem is that you don't see people complaining that organizations for the equality of african americans don't do anything to solve inequality for native americans. You don't see movements for the integration of homosexuals in society getting complaints about how they're not doing anything against the discrimination of muslims. Why the fuck is this a problem when it comes to feminists? If someone wants to label themselves as that why push for a different name?[/QUOTE] I'm only complaining because it seems like I've heard feminists on facepunch even, say that feminism is about equalizing everyone, then I hear that you don't think it is. I'd just like to not deal with everyone having their own version of everything and expecting that to be apparent to everyone easily. I also don't get why you'd want to stop at just equalizing one group, isn't that kind of the opposite of equaling things out?

Holy shit, this is amazing I have an idea for a hit YouTube series. Versus matches between groups and parties with extreme views that have no correlation to one another, it would make for great viewing

They are both morons, but it was so satisfying seeing that hambeast feminist fall to the ground.

[QUOTE=EvilPengy;45184869]Holy shit, this is amazing I have an idea for a hit YouTube series. Versus matches between groups and parties with extreme views that have no correlation to one another, it would make for great viewing[/QUOTE] You should start it. Imagine how much you could get from that idea.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45184688]I'm only complaining because it seems like I've heard feminists on facepunch even, say that feminism is about equalizing everyone, then I hear that you don't think it is. I'd just like to not deal with everyone having their own version of everything and expecting that to be apparent to everyone easily. I also don't get why you'd want to stop at just equalizing one group, isn't that kind of the opposite of equaling things out?[/QUOTE] But it is about equalising everyone...on a gender level. Feminism doesn't need to worry abut your race, sexual orientation, religious belief, etc. It is a movement to just equalise the two genders on that plane alone, which happens to include everyone (there isn't a real third gender after all). Focusing on one issue as a group allows for a much more effective manner of dealing with that issue. Hence why we have gay rights, racial rights, and so forth in different groups. It saves spreading yourself too thing and getting exactly jack shit done. Once the "goals" of Feminism (a moving target) are completed, it could very well be that newer generations of the movement start to merge into other rights groups, because if the genders are now equal, it might be worth using the weight gained from doing that in other areas.

[QUOTE=EvilPengy;45184869]Holy shit, this is amazing I have an idea for a hit YouTube series. Versus matches between groups and parties with extreme views that have no correlation to one another, it would make for great viewing[/QUOTE] That's what I said and everyone thought I wanted to beat women.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45184267]The problem is that you don't see people complaining that organizations for the equality of african americans don't do anything to solve inequality for native americans. You don't see movements for the integration of homosexuals in society getting complaints about how they're not doing anything against the discrimination of muslims. Why the fuck is this a problem when it comes to feminists? If someone wants to label themselves as that why push for a different name?[/QUOTE] Those other groups don't hide behind "intersectionality", feminists take the credit for fighting for everyone when in reality they spend the vast majority of their time fighting for women. You can’t have it both ways. Feminism is either the fight primarily for the rights of women or a synonym for egalitarianism, if it really is the latter I see no reason to continue to exclusively use the term feminism.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45178780] The "otherkin" bullshit has nothing to do with feminism and social justice and is basically a strawman (generally used against transgender people). just so you know.[/QUOTE] my post had nothing to do with whatever gay feminism shit you're talking about so keep that to yourself haha

[QUOTE=Aidan_088;45185759]Those other groups don't hide behind "intersectionality", feminists take the credit for fighting for everyone when in reality they spend the vast majority of their time fighting for women. You can’t have it both ways. Feminism is either the fight primarily for the rights of women or a synonym for egalitarianism, if it really is the latter I see no reason to continue to exclusively use the term feminism.[/QUOTE] you do realize "feminists" isn't a specific group? "feminists take the credit for fighting for everyone"- which feminists? all of the feminists in the world? all of the feminists on tumblr? all of the feminists on fp?

really if you specifically make a point of not calling yourself a feminist but still consider yourself an egalitarian then i strongly doubt you're actually either

[QUOTE=Cone;45186552]really if you specifically make a point of not calling yourself a feminist but still consider yourself an egalitarian then i strongly doubt you're actually either[/QUOTE] why? because opinions are stupid or what? i just don't get why you'd make a generalization like this EXCEPT to discredit people you personally don't like.

The problem with Egalitarianism is that it doesnt do anything, I did a search around and couldn't find any records of any Egalitarian Protests, Campaigns or Marches anywhere. For an "activist" movement, it's not very fucking active. It's based around fence sitting and not doing anything because it's afraid it wont seem equal if it focuses on any issues. If anything, the only thing that came up was dictionaries and definitions, because that's really what Egalitarianism is about, words, not action. And honestly, if you're more obsessed with calling yourself a Egalitarian than talking about gender equality, you're probably just not helping at all. Gender equality would be a lot further if people stopped going "but muh words"

First activist group that solves the insane misogyny and discrimination against women in Islamic countries wins

Was this video filmed in a parallel opposite universe?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45186571]why? because opinions are stupid or what? i just don't get why you'd make a generalization like this EXCEPT to discredit people you personally don't like.[/QUOTE] because feminism is a subset of egalitarianism. egalitarianism intrinsically involves acknowledging those subsets because that's what equality is about, you have to accept everyone who has a legitimate issue so you can fix them and make them equal. reeling away from the bits you don't like and saying "i'm egalitarian EUGH EW BUT I'M NOT A FEMINIST THOUGH" like a lot of people seem to be doing is entirely just hijacking the name without knowing what it means. like you don't necessarily have to go around stating that you're a feminist (because that would be silly and i would be embarrassed if you did) but specifically going to the effort of saying otherwise while also calling yourself egalitarian is the dumbest most contradictory crap ever