A classmate of mine committed suicide today because of bullying - General

[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;28767770]Who cares about that shit. People keep saying that is is a pussy way out and no one seems to know anything about depression. It makes me sad reading this thread.[/QUOTE] if you cant just cure yourself of mental conditions by thinking really hard you dont deserve to live

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boatman;28767801]if you cant just cure yourself of mental conditions by thinking really hard you dont deserve to live[/QUOTE] i'm winning like sheen i use my mind-tools to cure myself of all problems because i am a warlock vatican assassin

Wow how can society still be so cruel to those who are different? May Drew rest in peace :smith: Those who bullied him should crawl into a pit and stay there forever :mad:

[QUOTE=Cree8ive;28767827]Wow how can society still be so cruel to those who are different? May Drew rest in peace :smith: Those who bullied him should crawl into a pit and stay there forever :mad:[/QUOTE] yeah those meanies deserve a serious time out :mad:

[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;28767666]Hey kids! Apparently in todays society, WE MUST SLAUGHTER THOSE WHO AREN'T STRONG! Great job you incredible dumbass.[/QUOTE] I didn't say we should slaughter them. [quote]I'm not saying people like that deserve to die,[/quote] It's funny how people tell me to read when y'all are doing quite the opposite. I'm not saying they should be killed or anything like that, I'm simply saying that we should try to justify their actions. If someone commits suicide for something like bullying, it is clear that they did it because they were weak minded. Trying to cover it up in bullshit about how depression affects everyone differently and blah blah blah is just ridiculous. Yes, depression affects everyone differently because everyone has different constitution. Strong willed people fight through it, weak willed people don't. Not that hard of a concept to grasp.

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boatman;28767801]if you cant just cure yourself of mental conditions by thinking really hard you dont deserve to live[/QUOTE] You so funny.

And despite this, politicians are somehow unable to pass an anti-bullying law of some form.

There's a gay guy at my school who gets bullied much more than the usual banter you expect. In a way I feel sorry for him, but he does ask for it sometimes.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28767902] Yes, depression affects everyone differently because everyone has different constitution. Strong willed people fight through it, weak willed people don't. Not that hard of a concept to grasp.[/QUOTE] Apparently it IS a hard concept to grasp because you have no knowledge what so ever of how depression actually works. Depression effects everyone differently because it can either come from emotional traumatic incidents which form into a chemical imbalance, or start off as a chemical imbalance. The reason depression everyone differently is because their problems (while they may be similar in causation and feeling) are composed of different bits and pieces that make up their depression. There are plenty of "strong willed" people who have succumbed to depression, lots of incredibly intelligent people who killed themselves even though saw the logic in living. Life isn't some role-playing game where you can do a roll check on constitution, a word that you like to spout without having any backing knowledge on the topic you're blathering idiotically about.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28767902]I didn't say we should slaughter them. It's funny how people tell me to read when y'all are doing quite the opposite. I'm not saying they should be killed or anything like that, I'm simply saying that we should try to justify their actions. If someone commits suicide for something like bullying, it is clear that they did it because they were weak minded. Trying to cover it up in bullshit about how depression affects everyone differently and blah blah blah is just ridiculous. Yes, depression affects everyone differently because everyone has different constitution. Strong willed people fight through it, weak willed people don't. Not that hard of a concept to grasp.[/QUOTE] 1. Depression effects persons differently. It is well established by everyone in the fucking psychology department. 2. I read your posts about this and frankly, I am utterly disgusted by how you say that this is nature's way of killing of the weak. 3. Why the fuck shouldn't we care for people who are weak minded? [QUOTE=MaverickIB;28764952]I've been depressed too. Suicidal? No, because I'm not a little girl. Depression sucks, yes, but it does not justify suicide. You can spew bullshit about how I don't understand what it's like and blah blah blah, but I do.[/QUOTE] I don't know about you but you sound like someone who is 15 years old.

[QUOTE=lead_farmer;28767654]-Eric Harris[/QUOTE] No. - Romano Sommer.

[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;28767964]There's a gay guy at my school who gets bullied much more than the usual banter you expect. In a way I feel sorry for him, but he does [B]ask for[/B] it sometimes.[/QUOTE] Bullying is NEVER the solution to a problem, even if the problem is an insufferable loud mouthed flashy faggot.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28767902]I didn't say we should slaughter them. It's funny how people tell me to read when y'all are doing quite the opposite. I'm not saying they should be killed or anything like that, I'm simply saying that we should try to justify their actions. If someone commits suicide for something like bullying, it is clear that they did it because they were weak minded. Trying to cover it up in bullshit about how depression affects everyone differently and blah blah blah is just ridiculous. Yes, depression affects everyone differently because everyone has different constitution. Strong willed people fight through it, weak willed people don't. Not that hard of a concept to grasp.[/QUOTE] i don't think you know what the word "depression" means. depression isn't when you get a bit sad because your uncle didn't touch you tenderly in all the right places that night, depression is a life-destroying mental and chemical condition that can and will drive you to the brink of suicide

Suicide is the cowards way out.

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boatman;28768049]i don't think you know what the word "depression" means. depression isn't when you get a bit sad because your uncle didn't touch you tenderly in all the right places that night, depression is a life-destroying mental and chemical condition that can and will drive you to the brink of suicide[/QUOTE] Not according to this alpha man! He bullied people cuz he cool and suicide is for girls (he said the last part) and he wants reactions and everyone is effected equal hurrrhruhruhrur [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=adamater;28768082]Suicide is the cowards way out.[/QUOTE] Did you just miss everything posted or are you trying to make me angry?

[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;28768106]Not according to this alpha man! He bullied people cuz he cool and suicide is for girls (he said the last part) and he wants reactions and everyone is effected equal hurrrhruhruhrur [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] Did you just miss everything posted or are you trying to make me angry?[/QUOTE] Someone who isnt a coward would find a way to solve the problem, telling someone, moving schools. Suicide is never an option.

Regardless of how much those chemicals are affecting you, killing yourself is still a conscious choice. A chemical imbalance can make you feel like a gigantic sack of shit with nothing to live for, but at the end of the day, you consciously choose to pull the trigger. Depression isn't some crazy powerful mind-controlling disease or anything like that, you kids are giving it way too much credit. Also, did this kid seek help? Did he tell adults or authority what was going on? If not, then it's just as much his fault as it is the bullies. Smart people seek help when they are depressed.

[QUOTE=adamater;28768176]Someone who isnt a coward would find a way to solve the problem, telling someone, moving schools. Suicide is never an option.[/QUOTE] It's like you don't even care about the stuff on the other pages. I congratulate you on missing completely everything, jumping to conclusion and completely destroying your own credibility. Good job. I am quite impressed.

[QUOTE=adamater;28768082]Suicide is the cowards way out.[/QUOTE] That's like saying fear is for cowards, sadness is for emos and anger is for hot heads. Anyone can feel these emotions.

[QUOTE=adamater;28768176]Someone who isnt a coward would find a way to solve the problem, telling someone, moving schools. Suicide is never an option.[/QUOTE] Coward is such a horribly disgusting word to use in a topic like this. Suicide [I]should[/I] never be an option, but it most certainly is. Let me reiterate a point I made in a previous post towards another user. Depression is a filter, a mental and chemical imbalance that skews your perception and can destroy any way of problem solving thinking, or it freezes you and you can't do what you know needs to be done. Stop preaching about a topic you clearly know NOTHING about. Having known a kid who was depressed in your freshmen year doesn't mean jack shit.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28768212]Regardless of how much those chemicals are affecting you, killing yourself is still a conscious choice. A chemical imbalance can make you feel like a gigantic sack of shit with nothing to live for, but at the end of the day, you consciously choose to pull the trigger. Depression isn't some crazy powerful mind-controlling disease or anything like that, you kids are giving it way too much credit. Also, did this kid seek help? Did he tell adults or authority what was going on? If not, then it's just as much his fault as it is the bullies. Smart people seek help when they are depressed.[/QUOTE] lmao yeah okay we get it, you've never suffered from depression before, you can stop telling us now

[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;28768228]It's like you don't even care about the stuff on the other pages. I congratulate you on missing completely everything, jumping to conclusion and completely destroying your own credibility. Good job. I am quite impressed.[/QUOTE] I dont have to read 9 pages to tell my opinion. I'm not jumping to a conclusion either, even when in the worst situation suicide shouldn't be the answer.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28768212]Regardless of how much those chemicals are affecting you, killing yourself is still a conscious choice. A chemical imbalance can make you feel like a gigantic sack of shit with nothing to live for, but at the end of the day, you consciously choose to pull the trigger. Depression isn't some crazy powerful mind-controlling disease or anything like that, you kids are giving it way too much credit.[/QUOTE] Actually is very much a mind-controlling disease. Everything you do, you do because you feel like/want to. If you feel down, and you think your life is not worth living and that there is nothing that can be done, how are you going to realise anything else?

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28768212]Regardless of how much those chemicals are affecting you, killing yourself is still a conscious choice. A chemical imbalance can make you feel like a gigantic sack of shit with nothing to live for, but at the end of the day, you consciously choose to pull the trigger. [B]Depression isn't some crazy powerful mind-controlling disease or anything like that, you kids are giving it way too much credit.[/B][/QUOTE] Proof you know absolutely NOTHING about what you're talking about. You give it far too little credit, and you obviously have not experienced severe depression. It may be a choice to pull that trigger, but it's like deciding to drive a car when you're DRUNK. You are unable to reason, and you have to get the car home [I]somehow[/I].

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28768212]Regardless of how much those chemicals are affecting you, killing yourself is still a conscious choice. A chemical imbalance can make you feel like a gigantic sack of shit with nothing to live for, but at the end of the day, you consciously choose to pull the trigger. Depression isn't some crazy powerful mind-controlling disease or anything like that, you kids are giving it way too much credit. Also, did this kid seek help? Did he tell adults or authority what was going on? If not, then it's just as much his fault as it is the bullies. Smart people seek help when they are depressed.[/QUOTE] I want you to read everything in this post. [QUOTE=Zeke129;28761761]Would you like me not to? Okay, here comes the viewpoints train Anyone who says the following phrases is an idiot: - "Suicide is selfish" - "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" You're probably wondering [b]why[/b] those phrases are idiotic. It's a very simple reason: they are always uttered by people who are not suicidal and have never been suicidal. People who have no right speaking to the mindset of someone who is. "But what makes you qualified to do just that, Zeke?" is what you may be asking. Good question! It may surprise (or in the case of MaverickIB, delight) you to learn that I had a rather lengthy period of my life where I was suicidal and actually attempted it once. For anyone who has never had any type of mental problem before, imagine the worst pain of your life. You're probably thinking of a broken bone or maybe you got stabbed or something. And yeah, those are terrible. But they're understandable. Your mind knows where the pain is coming from and why. Nerve endings are sending pain signals to the brain which is interpreting it as "jeeze pal, you should get [injury location here] checked out soon". That's how physical pain works. Mental pain is different. (I'll speak only to depression here, but many people have other issues (I did) that I won't be getting into) Instead of it being a centralized thing, it's more of your mind itself being engulfed by _____ (I don't have a word for it). A religious person might interpret it something to the effect of their soul being injured instead of their body. A facepuncher will draw a blank because it really is something that doesn't have english words to describe. In addition to the fact that [i]it fucking sucks[/i] and completely takes your life away from you, it actively prevents you from trying to get rid of it. It's easy to say "just go to a shrink" but there are numerous factors at play that make this a challenge: - Depression steals your motivation to do anything beyond the bare minimum needed to survive and function at a minimal level. (Eat, sleep, drink, shit, shower) - Western and Asian societies (read: the majority of the world) stigmatize people with mental health problems. - Because it is unlike anything you've ever felt before, it's impossible not to believe that your situation is unique and you end up feeling like nobody will be [i]able[/i] to help you. This runs nicely into why the phrase "permanent solution to a temporary problem" is idiotic. To someone who is suicidal, it does not feel temporary. [b]By nature of the condition[/b] it's nearly impossible to believe otherwise. This goes for depression developed by bullying, by a shitty job, or just randomly. (I'm going to say that bullying makes it worse because it means that you have that many more people out there who have no interest in helping you) Now that you know why [i]that[/i] phrase is dumb (and you'll stop using it), let's look at the other one: "It's selfish". And to that I ask, is it selfish to wish to die if you're suffering from chronic physical pain? I think most facepunchers here are for euthanasia in those kinds of situations, right? So why should this be different? We've already established that depression: - is extremely painful - gives the illusion of permanence so would it not be selfish to expect someone in this situation to remain alive just so you don't have to feel bad? Aren't people entitled to be relieved of their pain if they so choose? Hopefully now you'll stop using this phrase, as well. There's my post take it or leave it[/QUOTE] If you still think the same after having read this, I suggest you take your stupid opinion and get the fuck out. Because you clearly show that you are incapable of learning something simple.

[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;28768228]It's like you don't even care about the stuff on the other pages. I congratulate you on missing completely everything, jumping to conclusion and completely destroying your own credibility. Good job. I am quite impressed.[/QUOTE] Geez, get your heart off your sleeve.

Bullying doesn't lead to suicide it just amplifies the pre-existing depression. And that's coming from someone who was formerly suicidal. I wasn't really bullied ever yet I still wanted to off myself. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's easy to draw connections but the fact is some people just want to exit Earth through a high rise window.

[QUOTE=lead_farmer;28768299]Geez, get your heart off your sleeve.[/QUOTE] He may be being irrationally emotional about the topic, but it doesn't make what he's saying any less correct.

[QUOTE=lead_farmer;28768299]Geez, get your heart off your sleeve.[/QUOTE] What seems to be the problem? He clearly disregarded everything and just read the title and shitposted.

[QUOTE=Lebowski;28768345]He may be being irrationally emotional about the topic, but it doesn't make what he's saying any less correct.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but being irrational and using ad hominem arguments kind of debunks any valid points he or may not have.