A classmate of mine committed suicide today because of bullying - General

[QUOTE=lead_farmer;28768371]Yeah, but being irrational and using ad hominem arguments kind of debunks any valid points he or may not have.[/QUOTE] No it doesn't it just makes it hard to admit he has any valid points. Doesn't make them magically invalid.

People with depression dont magicly get it. I start getting bullied, I start getting depressed. VS I start getting bullied, I tell someone/do something, no longer bullied/never depressed.

[QUOTE=Lebowski;28768345]He may be being irrationally emotional about the topic, but it doesn't make what he's saying any less correct.[/QUOTE] I am sorry but I get upset because of people telling stuff like this. I have been effected by what has happened just like the OP and lots of others. I apologize for coming off like a douche but they won't listen.

[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;28768416]I am sorry but I get upset because of people telling stuff like this. I have been effected by what has happened just like the OP and lots of others. I apologize for coming off like a douche but they won't listen.[/QUOTE] I'm horribly disgusted and angry at the misinformation and idiocy presented in the thread when it comes to depression. But if you want to get a good argument across, you need to fight the instinct to get all up in yo face like some black chick.

[QUOTE=adamater;28768413]People with depression dont magicly get it. I start getting bullied, I start getting depressed. VS I start getting bullied, I tell someone/do something, no longer bullied/never depressed.[/QUOTE] i dont understand the inner workings of a television so therefore televisions dont exist

Now that's fucked up, didn't he keep it a secret or something? And in Eastern Europe we're not so keen on gays too, so I can't really say anything objective.

[QUOTE=adamater;28768413]People with depression dont magicly get it. I start getting bullied, I start getting depressed. VS I start getting bullied, I tell someone/do something, no longer bullied/never depressed.[/QUOTE] Bullying starts young, and young people are irrational. Kid tells on the bully? Bullied more, and by other people for being a snitch/bitch. It's pretty damn rare for bullying to just stop completely when you tell an adult.

[QUOTE=adamater;28768413]People with depression dont magicly get it. I start getting bullied, I start getting depressed. VS I start getting bullied, I tell someone/do something, no longer bullied/never depressed.[/QUOTE] Incorrect. There are psychological causes, yes, but there are also biological causes.

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;28756603]Gays don't bother me unless they're "all up in my face" about their sexuality. If they go off and do their own thing, that's fine by me.[/QUOTE] what does that even mean

I feel really bad for that guy. I know what it's like getting bullied. Been in the verge of suicide myself.

[QUOTE=Fkpuz Version 1;28768472]what does that even mean[/QUOTE] it means as long as they're closeted its fine (which is a horrible thing to say lmao)

[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;28756292]I didn't know him personally, but a classmate of mine, Drew, committed suicide early this morning after going through constant bullying [b]because he was gay.[/b] He sat next to me in English class and I didn't think anything of it when he was absent today, until found out why. It makes me sick that this still goes on, society is moving backwards. It's still hard to believe it happened, especially over something so fucking ridiculous. The kid was nice to everyone and had a boyfriend he loved. Everyone is wearing purple tomorrow to remember him and get at those who bullied him. Does anyone here see this going on around their school or work or whatever? Are you the one bullying? I just can't believe it led to him killing himself. This is the facebook group commemorating him [url]http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=119917488082417&index=1[/url][/QUOTE] Everything that an invidual does in this life is optional. ...Somethings can be more or less forced(don't even think about saying that he was forced to do it, i'm refering to something like being executed or raped) but, i think that one should strive to be happy in life regardless of what other inviduals do. Because they will do whatever they can for their agenda regardless of what you do. So... uhh.. I think my point is that, He was gay, He committed suicide, Lol. No one forced him to, And theres always going to be someone who doesn't like you. If you can't deal with it, then i suppose the only way out is a suicide -But it's not like it would end the situation, Everyones going to be like "lol, what a fag, Lets go piss on his grave". I know what you're thinking, But I can't feel sorry for someone who has ended their one and only life for something like this.

The problem is persuading (with actions) them not to bother you. In most cases, if you show that you are not afraid or will just 'give in'. Then the bullying will then reach its peak, after that they will think bullying you is a too much of a hassle. They will then move on to the next guy. I find that if they push you around allot, pushing them back will get their respect and they will leave you alone. Depression is not the way to go. If you try to earn their respect (as equals, not as a lackey) then they will leave you alone. An example from my life. I was recording data for my biology teacher, when the school bully told me to 'piss of you lanky s***'. I said no, and so he tried to punch me. I caught the punch and growled 'no'! After this he laughed and punched me in the chest, but he then left me to record my data. Since then, he has not bullyed me for three years. Stand up for yourself, you will be surprised at your strength. :)

[QUOTE=lead_farmer;28768371]Yeah, but being irrational and using ad hominem arguments kind of debunks any valid points he or may not have.[/QUOTE] I am sorry but I get upset when people say stuff like that. It is very hard to take people seriously when others before me have said almost the exact same thing and they don't listen. As I said before, I apologize for being irrational but it is hard when stuff like this is dismissed as something of willpower and various other crap explanations.

[QUOTE=Da_Maniac_;28768473]I feel really bad for that guy. I know what it's like getting bullied. Been in the verge of suicide myself.[/QUOTE] He doesn't like it when they talk about doing things 'gay things' around him. Edit: Wrong quote.

[QUOTE=papu2;28768539]Everything that an invidual does in this life is optional. ...Somethings can be more or less forced(don't even think about saying that he was forced to do it, i'm refering to something like being executed or raped) but, i think that one should strive to be happy in life regardless of what other inviduals do. Because they will do whatever they can for their agenda regardless of what you do. So... uhh.. I think my point is that, He was gay, He committed suicide, Lol. No one forced him to, And theres always going to be someone who doesn't like you. If you can't deal with it, then i suppose the only way out is a suicide -But it's not like it would end the situation, Everyones going to be like "lol, what a fag, Lets go piss on his grave". I know what you're thinking, But I can't feel sorry for someone who has ended their one and only life for something like this.[/QUOTE] you're all terrible people. you're saying that someone's a bad person because they suffered events out of their control and he ended it in the only way he felt he could.

[QUOTE=Kalek;28768540]Stand up for yourself, you will be surprised at your strength. :)[/QUOTE] You had one pussy bully. I tried to fight back, I'd get jumped later that day by three other guys. I broke down immediately? They kick me when I'm down. I don't know anyone who has had a bully back down until the bully got bored with them.

[QUOTE=Fkpuz Version 1;28768472]what does that even mean[/QUOTE] He probably doesn't like the really flamboyant, stereotypical gay people, i.e. wear Gay Pride memorabilia, talk with a very high, feminine voice, etc. Honestly, people like that make me feel very uncomfortable as well, but I, at the very least, try to accept them for who they are.

OP, where do you live? Back in my high school we had two gay students. Although the guys hated them, but no one bullied any of them but ignored their faggotry behavior instead.

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boatman;28768631]you're all terrible people. you're saying that someone's a bad person because they suffered events out of their control and he ended it in the only way he felt he could.[/QUOTE] How should i put this... "Thug life". If that was the worst thing that had happened to him, then he had never felt anything. And i'm not saying that hes a bad person, But i can't feel even remotely sorry for someone who ends his or hers life for fucking nothing. It's not like its a sacrafice for the better good or anything. It's just plan selfish if nothing else. Everyones going to be like "Oh thats so terrible, Those bullies are so mean!" for the next week, and the week after that no one remembers the event. What a waste.

[QUOTE=papu2;28768739][B]But i can't feel even remotely sorry for someone who ends his or hers life for fucking nothing.[/B] It's not like its a sacrafice for the better good or anything. It's just plan selfish if nothing else. Everyones going to be like "Oh thats so terrible, Those bullies are so mean!" for the next week, and the week after that no one remembers the event. What a waste.[/QUOTE] Then you've never felt the pain that leads to suicide. You haven't experienced it, so how could you know?

[QUOTE=papu2;28768739]How should i put this... "Thug life". If that was the worst thing that had happened to him, then he had never felt anything. And i'm not saying that hes a bad person, But i can't feel even remotely sorry for someone who ends his or hers life for fucking nothing. It's not like its a sacrafice for the better good or anything. It's just plan selfish if nothing else. Everyones going to be like "Oh thats so terrible, Those bullies are so mean!" for the next week, and the week after that no one remembers the event. What a waste.[/QUOTE] look up depression in an encyclopedia then come back when you've managed to push your brains back into your skull

[QUOTE=papu2;28768739]How should i put this... "Thug life". If that was the worst thing that had happened to him, then he had never felt anything. And i'm not saying that hes a bad person, But i can't feel even remotely sorry for someone who ends his or hers life for fucking nothing. It's not like its a sacrafice for the better good or anything. It's just plan selfish if nothing else. Everyones going to be like "Oh thats so terrible, Those bullies are so mean!" for the next week, and the week after that no one remembers the event. What a waste.[/QUOTE] Nobody ends their life for nothing. The simple fact that he decided to commit suicide and went through with it should say alot.

It turns out he didn't commit suicide due to bullying. Nonetheless it's still sad as no human should have to take his own life. Bullying is still very, very wrong.

[QUOTE=Carne;28756474]I didn't know him myself, but a guy at my former school hanged himself. I think it was bullying, but I'm not completely sure. All I remember is that a girl in my class got a phonecall, then burst out of the room while crying.[/QUOTE] So, not the best way to break up?

[QUOTE=Lebowski;28768776]Then you've never felt the pain that leads to suicide. You haven't experienced it, so how could you know?[/QUOTE] Dont be silly, I don't understand people like you. Such pain would probably occur in an interrigation, which would end in an execution and rotting in a place that noone knows about. And you'd probably want to off yourself to prevent experiencing such a death -which i could see an understandable suicide.

[QUOTE=Cosmicmeet;28756567]I know 2 guys at my school who are gay, they're pretty cool. But they aren't being bullied.[/QUOTE] That's cause they're cool

[QUOTE=Lebowski;28768671]You had one pussy bully. I tried to fight back, I'd get jumped later that day by three other guys. I broke down immediately? They kick me when I'm down. I don't know anyone who has had a bully back down until the bully got bored with them.[/QUOTE] It's different when there are more than one of them, I agree with that. But I do think that 'respect' is the way to get around it. When they punch you down, you have to just keep trying to stand up. Find others that have the same problem and join up. Anger is a terrible yet efficient weapon, it doesn't matter whether they are strong themselves. You are fighting for your life (not litteraly), simply let loose that anger. I have had to fight for my own dignity more than once in my life. In every single one of those fights anger has allways been my friend, it numbs the pain when they hit you, and makes you want to hit them harder. I always had like minded people with me too, and they backed me up. Set aside your fear of pain, because when you do feel it, you'll be too angry too stop fighting back.

he shouldn't have killed himself. it's a stupid way to go.

[QUOTE=papu2;28768897]Dont be silly, I don't understand people like you. Such pain would probably occur in an interrigation, which would end in an execution and rotting in a place that noone knows about. And you'd probably want to off yourself to prevent experiencing such a death -which i could see an understandable suicide.[/QUOTE] seems that you couldn't find that encyclopedia. or maybe you just cant read it. is a monkey typing all this for you?