A classmate of mine committed suicide today because of bullying - General

[QUOTE=papu2;28768897]Dont be silly, I don't understand people like you. Such pain would probably occur in an interrigation, which would end in an execution and rotting in a place that noone knows about. And you'd probably want to off yourself to prevent experiencing such a death -which i could see an understandable suicide.[/QUOTE] You have no understanding of depression, you are not a valid source of information.

[QUOTE=Lebowski;28768776]Then you've never felt the pain that leads to suicide. You haven't experienced it, so how could you know?[/QUOTE] My brother had 3 different forms of cancer but still refused to commit suicide. So I guess being depressed hurts more than having 3 different kinds of cancer.

Whoa shit. Just realized OP goes to the highschool next to mine. Heard about this in the morning.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28769011]My brother had 3 different forms of cancer but still refused to commit suicide. So I guess being depressed hurts more than having 3 different kinds of cancer.[/QUOTE] Personally I don't think you can compare physical pain to mental pain.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28769011]My brother had 3 different forms of cancer but still refused to commit suicide. So I guess being depressed hurts more than having 3 different kinds of cancer.[/QUOTE] Cancer is a physical issue which can lead to depression. Pain is completely subjective, a fact which you have failed to grasp. You can put physical pain on a scale, you can go mad with the stress. Emotional pain is something completely different. It can be completely insurmountable. My father slowly died of stomach cancer, and he refused to kill himself. Physical pain is manageable, can be numbed easily. Emotional is a whole different game field.

Is there a difference? I'm pretty sure being put in a microwave every week, being bound to a bed most of the time, and barely having the strength to use your own utensils brings quite a bit of mental pain into the picture as well. My point is that the only people who find it insurmountable are weak-willed.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28769088]Is there a difference? I'm pretty sure being put in a microwave every week, being bound to a bed most of the time, and barely having the strength to use your own utensils brings quite a bit of mental pain into the picture as well. My point is that the only people who find it insurmountable are weak-willed.[/QUOTE] Yeah but that's not comparing them.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28769011]My brother had 3 different forms of cancer but still refused to commit suicide. So I guess being depressed hurts more than having 3 different kinds of cancer.[/QUOTE] what's making you jump to these conclusions, champ? did you get a boner and all the blood flowed straight from your brain and into your dick? they both hurt, just in different ways. depression makes you feel like there's nothing left to live for, it makes you feel like you're carrying the world on your shoulders and there's no way out. saying only pussies are affected by depression is like saying only babies are affected by cancer.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28769088]Is there a difference? I'm pretty sure being put in a microwave every week, being bound to a bed most of the time, and barely having the strength to use your own utensils brings quite a bit of mental pain into the picture as well.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure your brother have survival on his mind because of the diagnosis: Cancer. Yes, mental pain is of course present but it doesn't equate to suicide.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28769088]Is there a difference? I'm pretty sure being put in a microwave every week, being bound to a bed most of the time, and barely having the strength to use your own utensils brings quite a bit of mental pain into the picture as well.[/QUOTE] Of course it does, but it did not have a sudden traumatic cause, or some insidious creeping issue, and wasn't a chemical imbalance. He knew the cause, and he knew how to defeat it. The cause was cancer, and to defeat his depression he had to defeat his cancer. They can go side-by-side, but they are not synonymous.

[QUOTE=papu2;28768739]How should i put this... "Thug life". If that was the worst thing that had happened to him, then he had never felt anything. And i'm not saying that hes a bad person, But i can't feel even remotely sorry for someone who ends his or hers life for fucking nothing. It's not like its a sacrafice for the better good or anything. It's just plan selfish if nothing else. Everyones going to be like "Oh thats so terrible, Those bullies are so mean!" for the next week, and the week after that no one remembers the event. What a waste.[/QUOTE] It's sad that his loss will be forgotten within the span of a few weeks, and I agree, suicide [i]is[/i] selfish, but the point is [b]it is not his fault[/b]. You see, this man probably suffered from clinical depression, which is a mental disorder. Now, think about mental disorders you might have seen people with. Let's use schizophrenia as an example (and let me just note that if I do offend someone, I mean no offense to anyone who has this condition). Now, people who have schizophrenia can have weird delusions and hallucinations, both visual and auditory, and this, compounded with other symptoms of schizophrenia, can make a person act outside of how a normal, healthy human being may act. It is to say that having schizophrenia causes a person to act unnatural. Now, how does this pertain to clinical depression? Clinical depression is also a mental disorder, which means the person will usually act in a way unnatural to a normal human being. Naturally, humans will usually not harm themselves, especially to the point to death, on purpose, even in the face of adversity. However, because clinical depression affects cognition skills such as, but not limited to, problem solving, people who have it will often think irrationally (at least to the point of view of a normal person). Therefore, their mind usually considers suicide as a viable option to solve the problem they have. Of course, some people will try to fight this notion, but the effects of depression are so debilitating that such actions are futile in some cases. Because their minds believe that suicide is the most viable option, the people who have depression might end up taking their lives. This is why people with depression take their lives. It's because their mental state has been changed and thus they will act unnaturally (compared to other normal people) to stresses, such as bullying. Yes, suicide is selfish, I agree, but we should never blame the person who took his or her own life for giving all the people that he or she loved for the crosses they would then have to bear. It's still the bully's fault in the very end.

wait a sec why am i even talking to maverick "i have the magical power of bullying people" IB? we've already established that you're a sociopathic nutcase! [QUOTE=MaverickIB;28630453]I was never a physical bully. I tormented people with my ability to drill into their brains with my words. In fact, I picked on kids that typically wouldn't get bullied. It was too easy calling a fat kid fat or an ugly kid ugly. I picked on the smart, attractive kids. At first, they just thought I was retarded, but I'd eventually wear through their defenses and get under their skin. I was such a sadistic bastard, haha. Nowadays, I only use my magical ability to hurt people's feelings on people that deserve it. I am a changed man.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lebowski;28769134]Of course it does, but it did not have a sudden traumatic cause, or some insidious creeping issue, and wasn't a chemical imbalance. He knew the cause, and he knew how to defeat it. The cause was cancer, and to defeat his depression he had to defeat his cancer. They can go side-by-side, but they are not synonymous.[/QUOTE] Actually he probably didn't know how to defeat his cancer. He went through a bunch of operations if I recall correctly when Maverick posted in Love Advice. I would definitely understand if he would commit suicide, he pulled it through by hope and reason. You're ovecomplicating it.

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boatman;28768792]look up depression in an encyclopedia then come back when you've managed to push your brains back into your skull[/QUOTE] Regardless of the claim that he was most likely depressed, It's still a waste. You know i could bet 100$ that you've forgot about him in a year. People die everyday, Some in horrible horrible ways. Now when you look at this situation from my perspective, You notice that theres this group of people who offs themselves, and a group of people who die. Both groups will die, which group dies for nothing? The suiciders of course, Because they are able to choose to end their lives. And most of them do not end it for any "valid" reason. They just do it because its the first time lifes giving them lemons, and theyre stupid enough to go to lemonparty.org or some idiotic shit like that. Either way, Look at this world. Look, Look around you. You see people mourning all day? Even you aren't on your knees yelling "WHY!? WHY DID YOU END YOUR LIFE YOU GAY PERSON THAT I DIDNT KNOW BUT FEEL SORRY FOR OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY!?", You've not done it even once. If you were, you might aswell cry for all the dying babies and those who are dead already, Mostly the ones starving to death but also for the rest. Comeon. The world doesnt give a shit, And it's the truth.

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boatman;28769126]what's making you jump to these conclusions, champ? did you get a boner and all the blood flowed straight from your brain and into your dick? they both hurt, just in different ways. depression makes you feel like there's nothing left to live for, it makes you feel like you're carrying the world on your shoulders and there's no way out. saying only pussies are affected by depression is like saying only babies are affected by cancer.[/QUOTE] I never said only pussies are affected by depression, cool guy. I said only weak willed people let depression control them to the point of suicide. Strong willed people get depressed, yes, but they realize that they are depressed and seek help. I'm not saying they can just will it away, but they can find the strength to keep pushing forward until they get through it.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28769192]I never said only pussies are affected by depression, cool guy. I said only weak willed people let depression control them to the point of suicide. Strong willed people get depressed, yes, but they realize that they are depressed and seek help. I'm not saying they can just will it away, but they can find the strength to keep pushing forward until they get through it.[/QUOTE] But some people who can be considered 'strong' will not find the strenght and some weak will find the strenght to carry through. I don't really see how you can be stronger or weaker when it comes to a thing such as this.

[QUOTE=Fhenexx;28769158]It's sad that his loss will be forgotten within the span of a few weeks, and I agree, suicide [i]is[/i] selfish, but the point is [b]it is not his fault[/b]. You see, this man probably suffered from clinical depression, which is a mental disorder. Now, think about mental disorders you might have seen people with. Let's use schizophrenia as an example (and let me just note that if I do offend someone, I mean no offense to anyone who has this condition). Now, people who have schizophrenia can have weird delusions and hallucinations, both visual and auditory, and this, compounded with other symptoms of schizophrenia, can make a person act outside of how a normal, healthy human being may act. It is to say that having schizophrenia causes a person to act unnatural. Now, how does this pertain to clinical depression? Clinical depression is also a mental disorder, which means the person will usually act in a way unnatural to a normal human being. Naturally, humans will usually not harm themselves, especially to the point to death, on purpose, even in the face of adversity. However, because clinical depression affects cognition skills such as, but not limited to, problem solving, people who have it will often think irrationally (at least to the point of view of a normal person). Therefore, their mind usually considers suicide as a viable option to solve the problem they have. Of course, some people will try to fight this notion, but the effects of depression are so debilitating that such actions are futile in some cases. Because their minds believe that suicide is the most viable option, the people who have depression might end up taking their lives. This is why people with depression take their lives. It's because their mental state has been changed and thus they will act unnaturally (compared to other normal people) to stresses, such as bullying. Yes, suicide is selfish, I agree, but we should never blame the person who took his or her own life for giving all the people that he or she loved for the crosses they would then have to bear. It's still the bully's fault in the very end.[/QUOTE] And thus being horny is also a sickness, Thus we should not punish rapists for their deeds because its not their fault and definetly not their choice to do such a thing.

[QUOTE=papu2;28769251]And thus being horny is also a sickness, Thus we should not punish rapists for their deeds because its not their fault and definetly not their choice to do such a thing.[/QUOTE] We should punish rapists to give them consequenses. Those who commit suicide have already suffered the consequenses. [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] They're dead.

[QUOTE=papu2;28769251]And thus being horny is also a sickness, Thus we should not punish rapists for their deeds because its not their fault and definetly not their choice to do such a thing.[/QUOTE] We shouldn't punish rapists. We shouldn't punish pedophiles. These should already not exist in our society, and those who do exist currently should be rehabilitated and watched. Those who have been proven to be permanently fucked are the ones who should be locked away.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;28769173]Actually he probably didn't know how to defeat his cancer. He went through a bunch of operations if I recall correctly when Maverick posted in Love Advice. I would definitely understand if he would commit suicide, he pulled it through by hope and reason. You're ovecomplicating it.[/QUOTE] Exactly. He didn't know how to defeat his cancer. It ended up killing him. However, he kept fighting through it and his depression because he was strong willed and smart. Chemicals in the brain can influence your decisions, but in the end, you must be the one to make them.

[QUOTE=Jiyoon;28756607]nope, theyre the superior ones. the evil ones are those goddamned darkies![/QUOTE] You racist.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28769299]Exactly. He didn't know how to defeat his cancer. It ended up killing him. However, he kept fighting through it and his depression because he was strong willed and smart. Chemicals in the brain can influence your decisions, but in the end, you must be the one to make them.[/QUOTE] And in the end the chemicals in the brain basically are you. Depression can affect you more or less. So yeah, you're the one deciding to commit suicide, but it's not necessarily your fault that you get so down that you commit suicide.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;28769276]We should punish rapists to give them consequenses. Those who commit suicide have already suffered the consequenses. [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] They're dead.[/QUOTE] Actually its illegal to commit suicide in most of the countries. But unfortunely we lack the technology to travel into whatever-afterlife-land to punish them. I suppose we'll be able to do that in 2020, I mean they've been developing this technology since the 80s.

[QUOTE=Cosmicmeet;28756328]If you're different, you are looked down upon.[/QUOTE] Only if you are above average. No one ever teases the below average people, because if someone does people stick up for them. Society fucking sucks.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28769299]Exactly. He didn't know how to defeat his cancer. It ended up killing him. However, he kept fighting through it and his depression because he was strong willed and smart. Chemicals in the brain can influence your decisions, but in the end, you must be the one to make them.[/QUOTE] wat Chemicals in the brain are the stuff the make all your decisions.

[QUOTE=Lebowski;28769292]We shouldn't punish rapists. We shouldn't punish pedophiles. These should already not exist in our society, and those who do exist currently should be rehabilitated and watched. Those who have been proven to be permanently fucked are the ones who should be locked away.[/QUOTE] damn you're naive

[QUOTE=papu2;28769359]Actually its illegal to commit suicide in most of the countries. But unfortunely we lack the technology to travel into whatever-afterlife-land to punish them. I suppose we'll be able to do that in 2020, I mean they've been developing this technology since the 80s.[/QUOTE] I know that it is illegal, that is why people still say "[B]Commit[/B] suicide" while the correct term should be "end" or "take their life". Being dead is a consequense.

[QUOTE=Atokniro;28769379]Only if you are above average. No one ever teases the below average people, because if someone does people stick up for them. Society fucking sucks.[/QUOTE] case in point: almost everybody who's posted in this thread

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28769299]Exactly. He didn't know how to defeat his cancer. It ended up killing him. However, he kept fighting through it and his depression because he was strong willed and smart. Chemicals in the brain can influence your decisions, but in the end, you must be the one to make them.[/QUOTE] Have you ever been depressed? Not sad for a few days, but serious depression. That shit makes you irrational. Depression is not just something you can shrug off.

So sad that he is burning in hell right now for his actions in life. I wish he could've been saved before he took his own life. Shame on the bullies though, now they must live with the guilt of basically killing another human being.