A classmate of mine committed suicide today because of bullying - General

[QUOTE=BrQ;28820783]Both are selfish because taking your own life means probably a trauma for the one who sees you hanging in your room and lots of pain for the ones who love you. But when you murder someone, something similar applies (people see you murdering someone, very painful for family and friends of the victim and the murderer) so I don't really think you could call one more selfish than the other to be honest.[/QUOTE] Both cause grief for family and friends but one is taking the life of a consenting party and another is maliciously taking a life I don't see how you can say they are even remotely equal, if you think suicide is just as bad as murder you should get your priorities checked out

But suicide isn't really consenting because the chemical imbalance in the person's mind is making them kill themselves they don't have any control over it hurr

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28821453]But suicide isn't really consenting because the chemical imbalance in the person's mind is making them kill themselves they don't have any control over it hurr[/QUOTE] Mind telling me how this makes it comparable to murder

You tell me. This whole time I've been saying that suicide is a conscious choice the fearful make and you've been telling me that people have no control over how depression makes them feel. So apparently someone that would never consider killing themselves can have depression run in and take over their mind, making them do so. Hence, someone that commits suicide isn't really consenting to their life being taken. See? The whole concept that depression can control someone's thought process is retarded.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28821666]You tell me. This whole time I've been saying that suicide is a conscious choice the fearful make and you've been telling me that people have no control over how depression makes them feel. So apparently someone that would never consider killing themselves can have depression run in and take over their mind, making them do so. Hence, someone that commits suicide isn't really consenting to their life being taken. See? The whole concept that depression can control someone's thought process is retarded.[/QUOTE] An altered state of mind is what makes people kill themselves but the difference between suicide and murder is still easily apparent, suicide is said altered state of mind making a decision about itself and murder is making that decision about someone else. I never said suicide was the correct or rational choice Maverick, my beef was with your claim that it was weak/selfish.

I've never understood why gays commit suicide and stuff when all it takes to stop it is to at the very least pretend to fit in instead of wearing a bright pink ballerina tutu and announcing to the world how gay you are, you could actually NOT make yourself a target instead, problem solved while I'm not condoning bullying them because of how they dress or act or whatever suicide is a tremendous overreaction to being bullied because you're gay when you could have stopped the bullying AND kept your life, I feel hardly any sympathy for this guy

[QUOTE=Android phone;28821812]I've never understood why gays commit suicide and stuff when all it takes to stop it is to at the very least pretend to fit in instead of wearing a bright pink ballerina tutu and announcing to the world how gay you are, you could actually NOT make yourself a target instead, problem solved while I'm not condoning bullying them because of how they dress or act or whatever suicide is a tremendous overreaction to being bullied because you're gay when you could have stopped the bullying AND kept your life, I feel hardly any sympathy for this guy[/QUOTE] what in god's name is this mess of a post

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28821838]what in god's name is this mess of a post[/QUOTE] he's implying that many people do not like gays for whatever reason and therefore you should not make it clear that you're gay to avoid such things [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;28821423]Both cause grief for family and friends but one is taking the life of a consenting party and another is maliciously taking a life I don't see how you can say they are even remotely equal, if you think suicide is just as bad as murder you should get your priorities checked out[/QUOTE] I never said suicide is as bad as murder. I said both are very selfish moves.

stream of thought thing, my posts are probably all going to be horribly worded I'm saying why the living fuck would you kill yourself instead of just act like you're not gay, I've heard the "express your true feelings you truly believe be yourself" etc. shit before but is being completely honest worth suicide?

[QUOTE=BrQ;28821870]I never said suicide is as bad as murder. I said both are very selfish moves.[/QUOTE] we've already been over why suicide is NOT selfish please stop saying that shit

[QUOTE=Android phone;28821913]stream of thought thing, my posts are probably all going to be horribly worded I'm saying why the living fuck would you kill yourself instead of just act like you're not gay, I've heard the "express your true feelings you truly believe be yourself" etc. shit before but is being completely honest worth suicide?[/QUOTE] You implied that gay people all wear "bright pink ballerina tutus", illustrating just how badly society stereotypes LBGT people, and you wonder why sometimes gay kids kill themselves You're a bad person

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28822101]You implied that gay people all wear "bright pink ballerina tutus", illustrating just how badly society stereotypes LBGT people, and you wonder why sometimes gay kids kill themselves You're a bad person[/QUOTE] wow, one reason I don't like arguing with you, you take satire literally half the time and label anyone that disagrees with you as a racist/homophobe/other [img]http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7100000/Adam-lambert-Magnus-Bane-city-of-bones-7130082-300-400.jpg[/img] 1. if you dress like this you're making yourself a target 2. it was a joke, but every gay I know dresses differently than most people, not to an extreme like this but always bright-colored v-necks and skinny jeans I'm saying if you're being bullied for being gay, stop acting gay and you won't "need" to kill yourself [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] before you jump the gun again I'm not a homophobe, would I be anti-religious if I said "if you're being bullied for your religion just be more private about it"? if it's something you can change or act differently about why would you let yourself be bullied about it to the point of suicide

[QUOTE=Android phone;28822212]wow, one reason I don't like arguing with you, you take satire literally half the time and label anyone that disagrees with you as a racist/homophobe/other[/QUOTE] it's hard to read satire when only a third of someone's post contains it And people should be able to dress however they want without being discriminated against. Besides, everyone with an ounce of sense knows they're a target because they're gay not because of how they're dressed.

[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;28822441]Fuck man, why can't every single straight person stop kissing, hugging and holding hands? So fucking stupid, it's like they're asking for attention every single minute[/QUOTE] if society was predominantly gay and gays bullied straights into suicide I'd say act less straight and stop making yourself a target if you get bullied to where you're contemplating killing yourself because you wear glasses and people make fun of you for it, [b]wear fucking contacts[/b], problem solved

[QUOTE=Android phone;28822588]if society was predominantly gay and gays bullied straights into suicide I'd say act less straight and stop making yourself a target if you get bullied to where you're contemplating killing yourself because you wear glasses and people make fun of you for it, [b]wear fucking contacts[/b], problem solved[/QUOTE] "guys, if you're getting bullied then obviously it's YOUR fault, and YOU need to change." this is probably some of the worst advice I've ever heard on how to deal with bullying

[QUOTE=Android phone;28822588] if you get bullied to where you're contemplating killing yourself because you wear glasses and people make fun of you for it, [b]wear fucking contacts[/b], problem solved[/QUOTE] Having to placate the bigots is unacceptable

[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;28822638]So according to you, black people should paint them self white, gay people stop being gay and muslims stop going to the mosque?[/QUOTE] I already said "if it's something you can change or act differently about why would you let yourself be bullied about it to the point of suicide", obviously you can't help what color you are but if gays and muslims are being bullied into suicide they could make themselves less of a target instead of kill themselves, what part of that don't you understand [QUOTE=JDK721;28822663]"guys, if you're getting bullied then obviously it's YOUR fault, and YOU need to change." this is probably some of the worst advice I've ever heard on how to deal with bullying[/QUOTE] wow, is it? suicide is preferable to acting? you're seriously fucked up [QUOTE=Zeke129;28822681]Having to placate the bigots is unacceptable[/QUOTE] again, why is suicide preferable to blending in? I don't understand why you would chose to kill yourself instead of dress differently or act differently, and I have little to no sympathy for people that do

[QUOTE=Android phone;28822802]again, why is suicide preferable to blending in? I don't understand why you would chose to kill yourself instead of dress differently or act differently, and I have little to no sympathy for people that do[/QUOTE] The best option would be for minorities to fight back against people like you but hey, the social stigma created by folks like you really fucks up some people it's like water off a duck for me so I'll keep posting

[QUOTE=JDK721;28822663]"guys, if you're getting bullied then obviously it's YOUR fault, and YOU need to change." this is probably some of the worst advice I've ever heard on how to deal with bullying[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;28822441]Fuck man, why can't every single straight person stop kissing, hugging and holding hands? So fucking stupid, it's like they're asking for attention every single minute[/QUOTE] you guys are obviously missing his point. He says many people generally dislike gays, whether you like it or not and there's absolutely nothing you can do about their views. Because of this, you shouldn't for example dress like the picture Android phone showed, because that will trigger bigoted reactions from many and might eventually lead to depression or even suicide.

[QUOTE=BrQ;28822910]you guys are obviously missing his point. He says many people generally dislike gays, whether you like it or not and there's absolutely nothing you can do about their views. Because of this, you shouldn't for example dress like the picture Android phone showed, because that will trigger bigoted reactions from many and might eventually lead to depression or even suicide.[/QUOTE] I wonder if black people ever got depressed about having to sit at the back of the bus Glad to see they just went along with it and solved the problem that way

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28822835]The best option would be for minorities to fight back[/QUOTE] I agree that standing up is preferable to taking it, what I can't believe is that not just one person but [i]three[/i] people would sooner kill themselves over what they believe than just put up with it or make themselves less of a target, I'm having trouble understanding that [QUOTE=Zeke129;28822835]the social stigma created by folks like you really fucks up some people[/QUOTE] holy shit again with the "I can't fault his argument so I'll just call him racist/homophobic/other", what have I said that's even remotely homophobic or is this tactic just second nature for you by now [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;28822886]Implying being homosexual/bisexual/heterosexual is a choice you make[/QUOTE] why, why do you insist on misreading my posts on purpose? I'm going to stop replying to dipshit responses like this, you might as well stop posting now

[QUOTE=Android phone;28822944]holy shit again with the "I can't fault his argument so I'll just call him racist/homophobic/other", what have I said that's even remotely homophobic or is this tactic just second nature for you by now[/QUOTE] [b]You're telling gay people to stop acting gay[/b], how can you not see the homophobia? This isn't a tactic, I quite literally see homophobia in every fifth thread on this fucking forum

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28822965][b]You're telling gay people to stop acting gay[/b], how can you not see the homophobia? This isn't a tactic, I quite literally see homophobia in every fifth thread on this fucking forum[/QUOTE] Call it homophobia all you want, but when you 'act' gay, people will comment on this which might eventually lead to cases like this

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28822940]I wonder if black people ever got depressed about having to sit at the back of the bus[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Android phone;28822802]if it's something you can change or act differently about why would you let yourself be bullied about it to the point of suicide[/QUOTE] [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;28822965][b]You're telling gay people to stop acting gay[/b], how can you not see the homophobia? This isn't a tactic, I quite literally see homophobia in every fifth thread on this fucking forum[/QUOTE] stop acting gay if that's the cause of suicidal thoughts, yes stop wearing glasses if you're bullied to suicide because of it, am I a bigot against people with poor vision now? stop eating meat if you're targeted by vegetarians and beginning to want to kill yourself, am I suddenly a militant card-carrying PETA member? there are any number of things you could replace gay with in my argument and any rational person would agree with it, why do you three keep misreading my posts?

Homosexuality isn't a choice, eating meat and wearing glasses are - although nobody should be targeted for either of the latter either. Good god the last half of that sentence was messy

[QUOTE=Android phone;28823011] stop wearing glasses if you're bullied to suicide because of it, am I a bigot against people with poor vision now? stop eating meat if you're targeted by vegetarians and beginning to want to kill yourself, am I suddenly a militant card-carrying PETA member?[B] there are any number of things you could replace gay with in my argument and any rational person would agree with it[/B], why do you three keep misreading my posts?[/QUOTE] Black people should stop being black. I'm rational and I think your argument is irrational.

[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;28823126]I for one "misread" them because you're being a bigot and I'm not going to stop being bisexual because some shitheads find that shit dumb.[/QUOTE] there is literally no logical argument in your post, I honestly think you've only read the first five words of each of my posts and skipped straight to yelling "HOMOPHOBE" [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Domokun;28823147]Oh yea black people should stop being black.[/QUOTE] do I really need to cover this a third time? [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;28823145]Homosexuality isn't a choice, eating meat and wearing glasses are - although nobody should be targeted for either of the latter either. Good god the last half of that sentence was messy[/QUOTE] acting gay is a choice and again, sorry if I'm hard to understand, english isn't my first language and I'm doing a ton of stuff right now

wow, you really need to emotionally remove yourself from the argument, your hostility is just making your posts unintelligible and generally stupid yes, acting gay is a choice, it really doesn't take much to pretend you're interested in girls and to dress like a straight person, what part of this do you not understand? but you know what, fuck it, you haven't even read beyond "emotionally" and I'm wasting my time trying to present a reasonable argument to you

[QUOTE=Android phone;28823158]acting gay is a choice [/QUOTE] Pretty much what prussel already said, if I want to walk down the street with a boyfriend I should be able to without some smartass like you saying anything [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Android phone;28823286]it really doesn't take much to pretend you're interested in girls[/QUOTE] get your posts the fuck out of my face right now

[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;28823238]Acting gay is a choice? Excuse me pally but for fuck's sake, why are straights kissing and holding hands and touching each other up in public then? Wow, they should just keep that shit in their room, no way they should show shit like that in public. So what if a guy acts feminine or a girl as a tomboy? Is that a problem for [B]you[/B]? Holy shit, man, it's not like I try to fuck you in the ass if I wear a scarf and tight jeans, is it?[/QUOTE] oh my god, you're not getting it do you acting gay is a choice. many people [b]DO NOT LIKE THIS[/b] and there is nothing you can do about it. straights kissing and holding hands is not what most people hate because people find it okay to be straight. [b]when you act gay, people will make a lot of nasty comments about this. this is the whole point and if you do not like it when people do this, you should not act gay because thats the only thing you can do[/b]