A classmate of mine committed suicide today because of bullying - General

I don't care really, and I don't feel bad for him. I don't know him, and I don't like gay's either, so I was still in my poker face mode after reading the thread. And I didn't know gay's have a good mental health since that classmate of your's killed himself. No offense, don't be offended.

I hate when people call me homophobic. I just say, "Homophobic, me? No, you're just heterophobic."

[QUOTE=plazzydan;28756401]Fag.[/QUOTE] fag means gay lololollo. ITs like a swear.

[QUOTE=Paravin;28761778]Natural ice right there, man.[/QUOTE] natural ice is actually a really shitty beer and i wouldnt buy it again

[QUOTE=gudman;28762822]Because being hetero sexual is, you know, common thing? And, dare I say, statistically normal? [/QUOTE] congratulations you missed the point entirely

was he all up in their face if so pretty easy for them to bully him. spread the word my fellow eagle children

[quote=gerbile5;28756629]no they were right gays murdered my family very true story they must all die [highlight](user was banned for this post ("trolling/dumb reply" - starpluck))[/highlight][/quote] .... *facepalm

[QUOTE=Ghost656;28763176]I don't care really, and I don't feel bad for him. I don't know him, and I don't like gay's either, so I was still in my poker face mode after reading the thread. And I didn't know gay's have a good mental health since that classmate of your's killed himself. No offense, don't be offended.[/QUOTE] I'm ghost65, and I'm a complete fucking asshole and you all must know this! [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=KeenanM.;28763177]I hate when people call me homophobic. I just say, "Homophobic, me? No, you're just heterophobic."[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming." - Seiteki))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;28762186]yeah because hetero sexuals aren't up in their face all the time or anything you make me sick.[/QUOTE] imo if either sexuality is shoving their stuff up their faces then they are both pretty bad. But this isn't the case for this guy. You can say that you're gay/straight/etc and I won't care, just don't flaunt it around like a pervert.

[editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28763476]I'm ghost65, and I'm a complete fucking asshole and you all must know this! [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] What the fuck are you talking about?[/QUOTE] I am local flavor, and I am a dumbass and can't read. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming." - Seiteki))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28762244]I shitpost and get hundreds of funnies, I goodpost and nobody reads[/QUOTE]I read it, was a very good post. When I read stories about people who killed themselves, I am often just as angry at the replies as I am sad at the story itself - it's really tragic when someone dies, but it's almost as ignorant to label the person who committed suicide a coward or a weak person or something. People who kill themselves (generally) have either some kind of mental disease or extreme trauma they can't handle. They don't kill themselves because they were too lazy to live life or something. They instead needed help and didn't get it, which caused them to kill themselves. Of course you can blame the person for taking the action of killing himself, but instead of totally denigrating on and pissing on the memory of that person, it would be fairer to remember the context he was placed in and why he killed himself. See it more of the tragic event of "guy gets mental tramua/has mental disease, can't handle it, didn't get help and killed himself" than "guy has problem, too lazy to deal with so he killed himself."

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28761761]Would you like me not to? Okay, here comes the viewpoints train Anyone who says the following phrases is an idiot: - "Suicide is selfish" - "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" You're probably wondering [b]why[/b] those phrases are idiotic. It's a very simple reason: they are always uttered by people who are not suicidal and have never been suicidal. People who have no right speaking to the mindset of someone who is. "But what makes you qualified to do just that, Zeke?" is what you may be asking. Good question! It may surprise (or in the case of MaverickIB, delight) you to learn that I had a rather lengthy period of my life where I was suicidal and actually attempted it once. For anyone who has never had any type of mental problem before, imagine the worst pain of your life. You're probably thinking of a broken bone or maybe you got stabbed or something. And yeah, those are terrible. But they're understandable. Your mind knows where the pain is coming from and why. Nerve endings are sending pain signals to the brain which is interpreting it as "jeeze pal, you should get [injury location here] checked out soon". That's how physical pain works. Mental pain is different. (I'll speak only to depression here, but many people have other issues (I did) that I won't be getting into) Instead of it being a centralized thing, it's more of your mind itself being engulfed by _____ (I don't have a word for it). A religious person might interpret it something to the effect of their soul being injured instead of their body. A facepuncher will draw a blank because it really is something that doesn't have english words to describe. In addition to the fact that [i]it fucking sucks[/i] and completely takes your life away from you, it actively prevents you from trying to get rid of it. It's easy to say "just go to a shrink" but there are numerous factors at play that make this a challenge: - Depression steals your motivation to do anything beyond the bare minimum needed to survive and function at a minimal level. (Eat, sleep, drink, shit, shower) - Western and Asian societies (read: the majority of the world) stigmatize people with mental health problems. - Because it is unlike anything you've ever felt before, it's impossible not to believe that your situation is unique and you end up feeling like nobody will be [i]able[/i] to help you. This runs nicely into why the phrase "permanent solution to a temporary problem" is idiotic. To someone who is suicidal, it does not feel temporary. [b]By nature of the condition[/b] it's nearly impossible to believe otherwise. This goes for depression developed by bullying, by a shitty job, or just randomly. (I'm going to say that bullying makes it worse because it means that you have that many more people out there who have no interest in helping you) Now that you know why [i]that[/i] phrase is dumb (and you'll stop using it), let's look at the other one: "It's selfish". And to that I ask, is it selfish to wish to die if you're suffering from chronic physical pain? I think most facepunchers here are for euthanasia in those kinds of situations, right? So why should this be different? We've already established that depression: - is extremely painful - gives the illusion of permanence so would it not be selfish to expect someone in this situation to remain alive just so you don't have to feel bad? Aren't people entitled to be relieved of their pain if they so choose? Hopefully now you'll stop using this phrase, as well. There's my post take it or leave it[/QUOTE] [B]EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD! READ THIS FUCKING POST YOU BLABBERING IDIOTS. [/B] I think my blood pressure shot through the fucking roof while reading this thread. My fucking god, facepunch is really filled to the fucking brims with idiotic kids and the like my god.

Kind of off topic, but someone who went to my high school here in Australia moved back to Scotland (where I'm from too, incidentally). A while later we got word that he had been murdered one night because he had witnessed a rape at a party and whoever did it didn't want any 'loose ends' (or something along those lines). [url]http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Murdered-teenager-may-have-been.5118337.jp[/url] It left me with this really, weird feeling. It felt so surreal. I only actually really talked to him the once, but it got me thinking about causality, chaos theory, all of that kind of stuff. It's weird to think that had the one single conversation he and I ever shared together been about something slightly differently how it could have set off some huge chain of events that eventually led to him not dying (maybe, perhaps, something small that I, or someone else said to him could have prevented him from moving back for example). It's... I dunno... bizarre. I sort of understand what it's like to hear the news that someone who went to school with you died, even if you didn't really know them.

I'm amazed how some people hate gays for no good reason at all. It's insane that you even can get killed in some african countries for being gay. [editline]23rd March 2011[/editline] Why is gayness handled like a fucking crime :frown:

This is just awful :(

It really enrages me how schools say they are all promoting anti-bullying. But, when kids try to get actual help, they do absolutely nothing to help.

[QUOTE=Cosmicmeet;28756567]I know 2 guys at my school who are gay, they're pretty cool. But they aren't being bullied.[/QUOTE] Woah so you mean like, gay people are normal people too? Fuck dude that's astonishing.

[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;28756292]Everyone is wearing purple tomorrow to remember him and get at those who bullied him. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm sure he would've wanted you to wear purple to spite the bullies. Anyways, sorry about your loss.

And whats better? Seperation of church and state in America is ever dwindling.. A year from now, it will be worse.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28762342]If someone kills themselves as a result of bullying can the bullies be prosecuted? I don't know how US law works in this regard[/QUOTE] It depends on a lot of shit. All I know is my friends are dead and the pricks who did it got off scott free and still go to my school.

Really strange thing about my former high school, gays generally weren't bullied to their face as far as I could tell. One of them aspired to get breast implants and stuff, and he was a massive jerk that was full of himself. In fact, more people said things about him being a prick than him actually being gay. Probably had something to do with the fact that all the gay kids there are pretty big and have large groups of friends to back them up, but plenty was said behind their backs.

[QUOTE=Bllasae;28764485]Yeah, I'm sure he would've wanted you to wear purple to spite the bullies. Anyways, sorry about your loss.[/QUOTE]This is an amazing job of totally missing the point. The whole purple thing is multi-faceted: it helps some of those grieving, and it helps other gay people in his position feel less alone and alienated.

To the people talking about it being a coward's way out, that they weren't thinking... That's just absolute bullshit, even if you claim to have been depressed, you've never been depressed enough to consider it. Two weeks ago I attempted to commit suicide by overdose during a manic depression attack. It is unlike any feeling you can imagine, to want and to try to kill yourself. Depression is an all encompassing filter that changes how you see everything. The longer you live with it, the harder it becomes to differentiate between the depression and who you truly are. You reach a point where you literally cannot handle anything, you're frozen besides the main basic functions. You make no progress, and this makes the depression worse. It's like digging a ditch and tossing the shovel out, so you have to really try hard to scramble out. So before you go calling anyone idiotic, or cowardly for taking the horrid way out, they probably literally saw no value in themselves, what they did, their life; all with no way out. To them, they were truly meaningless and did not deserve existence.

I think it's silly how people believe their depression was/is worse than everyone else's. I've been depressed too. Suicidal? No, because I'm not a little girl. I felt like shit and didn't have any motive to keep moving forward, but I was a smart enough individual to realize that I was depressed and life wasn't really as bad as I was perceiving it. With that in mind, I just kept forcing myself to get out of bed until it went away over time. Depression sucks, yes, but it does not justify suicide. You can spew bullshit about how I don't understand what it's like and blah blah blah, but I do. Suicide is for the weak of heart, suicide is for the weak of mind.

A guy I knew at my old highschool came in one day with a gun and shot himself. He had a pretty rough household if I remember correctly.

What people seem to forget is that depression doesn't last forever. Even in my darkest hour I knew that better days would come eventually, and that all I had to do was keep trudging forward. I'll spare you the sob story, but I've lived through much worse than bullying. I feel terrible for all parties involved: bullies included. Most bullies are just kids caught up in bad social situations, pushed and egged on by their peers. Stupid kids doing stupid things, and often host to a wealth of their own problems and insecurities as well. Most bullies, once free of high school and given the room to actually grow and think for themselves in a much bigger environment, realize and regret their mistakes. While that may not necessarily excuse their actions in high school, it is, at least, an understandable and relateable mistake. Everybody's been caught up in the flow of [i]something[/i] before, and it can often lead to you making decisions that you wouldn't normally and leave you blind to their consequences. But now these kids have to bear the guilt of a suicide on their shoulders for the rest of their lives. That's not a fair burden to place on a couple of stupid kids who were just caught up in the social rigmarole of high school.

How did he kill himself?

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;28764952]I think it's silly how people believe their depression was/is worse than everyone else's. I've been depressed too. Suicidal? No, because I'm not a little girl. I felt like shit and didn't have any motive to keep moving forward, but I was a smart enough individual to realize that I was depressed and life wasn't really as bad as I was perceiving it. With that in mind, I just kept forcing myself to get out of bed until it went away over time. Depression sucks, yes, but it does not justify suicide. You can spew bullshit about how I don't understand what it's like and blah blah blah, but I do. Suicide is for the weak of heart, suicide is for the weak of mind.[/QUOTE] Shut up you massive prick it's not like everyone's the same, some people can take an almost intolerable amount of shit and others snap like tooth picks, just because you're fortunate enough to be the former does not mean the latter are dumb - chances are you've never went through the same crap this kid did, at least without deserving it.

snip This is a waste of time, I don't want to be involved.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;28765122] I feel terrible for all parties involved: bullies included. Most bullies are just kids caught up in bad social situations, pushed and egged on by their peers. Stupid kids doing stupid things, and often host to a wealth of their own problems and insecurities as well. Most bullies, once free of high school and given the room to actually grow and think for themselves in a much bigger environment, realize and regret their mistakes. While that may not necessarily excuse their actions in high school, it is, at least, an understandable and relateable mistake. Everybody's been caught up in the flow of [i]something[/i] before, and it can often lead to you making decisions that you wouldn't normally and leave you blind to their consequences. But now these kids have to bear the guilt of a suicide on their shoulders for the rest of their lives. That's not a fair burden to place on a couple of stupid kids who were just caught up in the social rigmarole of high school.[/QUOTE] homophobia is not restricted to bullying in schools, this kid was pretty much about to go through a life of homophobic intolerant retards