Ukraine isn't that bad, it's like most post-soviet countries, be smart and you'll hopefully be alright. Also if it's anything like it was when my uncle was there, bring jeans and stuff, people there will sell you a car for a pair of jeans or something like that, he brought extra jeans to be prepared and sold all of them for like 400$ each, they were 40$ jeans.
[QUOTE=The one that is;33987170]Ukraine isn't that bad, it's like most post-soviet countries, be smart and you'll hopefully be alright. Also if it's anything like it was when my uncle was there, bring jeans and stuff, people there will sell you a car for a pair of jeans or something like that, he brought extra jeans to be prepared and sold all of them for like 400$ each, they were 40$ jeans.[/QUOTE]
That was back in the Cold War era where the importation of American goods was outlawed and punishable by death.
[QUOTE=The one that is;33987170]Ukraine isn't that bad, it's like most post-soviet countries, be smart and you'll hopefully be alright. Also if it's anything like it was when my uncle was there, bring jeans and stuff, people there will sell you a car for a pair of jeans or something like that, he brought extra jeans to be prepared and sold all of them for like 400$ each, they were 40$ jeans.[/QUOTE]
LOL we call it "dashing 90s". Criminals, mafia, daily murders, poor etc. Criminals are called now deputies, ie our president who have been to jail for 2 or 3 times. :v:
But still Ukraine is much MUCH better place to live than any other post-soviet country. It's hard to call this country poor when you're tired of seeing tons of fucking S600s, Bentleys, Porsches and other shit(which cost here twice much as in US).
Just have a look:
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Fun place to live, isn't it? :D
Can anything useful be gained from studying random nuclear mutations biologically?
[QUOTE=GVG-Vit;33987752]MUCH better place to live than any other post-soviet country.[/QUOTE]
thats what all post-soviet countries say.
How much radiation could you take before you felt the tingly needle like pain described earlier? I've had plenty of x-rays on various body parts and never felt anything before.
I'm guessing now that i've looked at the graph that an xray is probably not even in the ballpark of feeling something from radiation.
Alpha and beta radiation will cause skin burns. Gamma radiation will cause cancer, organ failure, etc. Alpha radiation is essentially ionized helium, and beta radiation is high-velocity electrons. If you're ever exposed to radioactive material, the worst thing you could do is inhale it. I imagine if you let enough hit your unshielded eyes, you would eventually be blinded, either by the intense energy of the gamma rays or by physical damage from alpha/beta radiation.
[QUOTE=Walrus.;33988928]How much radiation could you take before you felt the tingly needle like pain described earlier? I've had plenty of x-rays on various body parts and never felt anything before.
I'm guessing now that i've looked at the graph that an xray is probably not even in the ballpark of feeling something from radiation.[/QUOTE]
I don't remember how many Grays of Alpha radiation I was exposed to in the accident, but I'm assuming that medical X-Rays are much, much lower.
[QUOTE=DarkendSky;33989529]Alpha and beta radiation will cause skin burns. Gamma radiation will cause cancer, organ failure, etc. Alpha radiation is essentially ionized helium, and beta radiation is high-velocity electrons. If you're ever exposed to radioactive material, the worst thing you could do is inhale it. I imagine if you let enough hit your unshielded eyes, you would eventually be blinded, either by the intense energy of the gamma rays or by physical damage from alpha/beta radiation.[/QUOTE]
Beta radiation can cause radiation poisoning too.
[QUOTE=DarkendSky;33989529]Alpha and beta radiation will cause skin burns. Gamma radiation will cause cancer, organ failure, etc. Alpha radiation is essentially ionized helium, and beta radiation is high-velocity electrons. If you're ever exposed to radioactive material, the worst thing you could do is inhale it. I imagine if you let enough hit your unshielded eyes, you would eventually be blinded, either by the intense energy of the gamma rays or by physical damage from alpha/beta radiation.[/QUOTE]
Not true entirely, high energy electrons can go through the skin and are the basis of radiotherapy.
[QUOTE=The one that is;33987170]Ukraine isn't that bad, it's like most post-soviet countries, be smart and you'll hopefully be alright. Also if it's anything like it was when my uncle was there, bring jeans and stuff, people there will sell you a car for a pair of jeans or something like that, he brought extra jeans to be prepared and sold all of them for like 400$ each, they were 40$ jeans.[/QUOTE]
When the hell was that...? You make it sound like the post-soviet bloc is a cesspool of hooligans.
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;33988013]Can anything useful be gained from studying random nuclear mutations biologically?[/QUOTE]
The chances of a random mutation being beneficial are astronomically low. So probably not.
I don't know much about the subject on radiation but I'm going to be living in Okinawa, Japan for 3 years so I wonder how that will effect me.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33982545]So essentially it does nothing. If we're immune to it in a way that it does not harm us, then it's doing nothing to us,[/QUOTE]
Basically radiation itself doesn't kill you. It's not like a bullet wound for instance. What instead happens is that your cells are damaged and unable to function as a result.
That's what happens when you get large doses.
The second way it can kill you is by minor doses that don't kill cells outright but instead just damage them in such a way that they later on turn into cancer cells.
This is mostly dangerous with radiation exposure that sticks inside of your body, like radioactive iodine.
As a result - direct high dosage of radiation is a whole lot less dangerous in the long run then long term low dosage.
This is also the reason, why a reactor leak (like the chernobyl one, which was coupled with a fire etc) is a lot more dangerous than an atomic explosion.
While a nuke has a short burst of powerful radiotion, most of the radioactive matter is consumed so the area tends to be pretty safe afterwards.
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;33988013]Can anything useful be gained from studying random nuclear mutations biologically?[/QUOTE]
It's actually being done, but with plants instead of animals.
This is actually a really good method on the difference of the two.
Plants can be either sterilised with strong bursts of radiation. Or they're sometimes the target of lower dosages in breeding experiments.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;34016471]Basically radiation itself doesn't kill you. It's not like a bullet wound for instance. What instead happens is that your cells are damaged and unable to function as a result.
That's what happens when you get large doses.
The second way it can kill you is by minor doses that don't kill cells outright but instead just damage them in such a way that they later on turn into cancer cells.
This is mostly dangerous with radiation exposure that sticks inside of your body, like radioactive iodine.
As a result - direct high dosage of radiation is a whole lot less dangerous in the long run then long term low dosage.
This is also the reason, why a reactor leak (like the chernobyl one, which was coupled with a fire etc) is a lot more dangerous than an atomic explosion.
While a nuke has a short burst of powerful radiotion, most of the radioactive matter is consumed so the area tends to be pretty safe afterwards.
It's actually being done, but with plants instead of animals.
This is actually a really good method on the difference of the two.
Plants can be either sterilised with strong bursts of radiation. Or they're sometimes the target of lower dosages in breeding experiments.[/QUOTE]
It harms us by ripping us apart on a molecular level, that's why you get radiation burns, because it is effectively ripping your skin cells to pieces, and in most cases, the DNA of those cells.
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[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;34015651]I don't know much about the subject on radiation but I'm going to be living in Okinawa, Japan for 3 years so I wonder how that will effect me.[/QUOTE]
Probably no serious effects, just a slight increase in your annual radiation dose. However, I can't believe they built a nuclear power plant on a fault line.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;33985095][img]http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/radiation.png[/img][/QUOTE]
How is the SRV-171 projectile even multy attachable to the viral core at the 22s.
[QUOTE=TtIiVv;34019072]Probably no serious effects, just a slight increase in your annual radiation dose. However, I can't believe they built a nuclear power plant on a fault line.[/QUOTE]
It would have been fine if they had actually kept it up to safety requirements, but Fukushima was nearly as old as Chernobyl IIRC, and wasn't made to modern safety standards. If it had been decomissioned and made to the correct modern standards, it would have probably stood both the tsunami and the earthquake.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;33985095][IMG]http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/radiation.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
So, eating 800,000,000 bananas is a fatal dose of Radiation, even with treatment...
Direct DNA ionisation is actually not the main cause of cell death and cancer. For that to happen you'd need a double strand break with one interaction or 2 single strand breaks that happen close enough. Not to mention that hitting a DNA string in a cell is not the easiest target. What happens a lot more is radiolysis of water, i.e. radiation ionising water molecules. These can split into free radicals and it's these radicals that can react with the DNA. After that it depends if the cell can still function (if not, it dies) or if any tumor-supressing genes have been hit. In the last case, the cell can continue to grow yet it might have been altered.
[QUOTE=Skellyhell;34033912]So, eating 800,000,000 bananas is a fatal dose of Radiation, even with treatment...[/QUOTE]
799,999,997 more to go.
Quite a few people have been injured when the material they've been working with has gone critical and exposed them to massive doses of radiation. Read [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticality_accident[/url], most of them sound pretty horrible - imagine dropping a piece of metal in the wrong place, seeing a blue flash of light and knowing that you're probably going to die in the next couple of hours/days.
[QUOTE=Kirth;33983340]Interesting thought there. For a while the U.S. Military did tests on chimps to determine how far a bomber pilot could fly, and if he could manage to complete the mission objective when operating in a contaminated area.
Amusingly enough though, they managed to forget one important thing: humans are not chimps (well most aren't). I can imagine any pilot recognizing acute radiation syndrome will flip the fuck out and fuck up regardless of how well the chimps preformed.[/QUOTE]
It should also be noted that chimps cannot fly aircraft.
[QUOTE=Spycrabz;33986846]I've been exposed to radiation, and it kinda felt like that, albeit mine was a relatively small dose so it might vary at larger exposure levels. Best way to describe it is that kinda tingling/stinging you get when you've been out in the sun for way too long, but you aren't quite burnt yet.[/QUOTE]
Let me guess, You were bit by a radioactive lizard?
[QUOTE=GVG-Vit;33987752]LOL we call it "dashing 90s". Criminals, mafia, daily murders, poor etc. Criminals are called now deputies, ie our president who have been to jail for 2 or 3 times. :v:
But still Ukraine is much MUCH better place to live than any other post-soviet country. It's hard to call this country poor when you're tired of seeing tons of fucking S600s, Bentleys, Porsches and other shit(which cost here twice much as in US).
Just have a look:
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Fun place to live, isn't it? :D[/QUOTE]
I've been to Ukraine for two weeks.
To be honest, it's shittier than Estonia from my point of view.
[QUOTE=Second-gear-of-mgear;34044900]799,999,997 more to go.[/QUOTE]
If youre really serious, eat the full 5,000,000,000 bananas and tell people you were there when chernobyl blew.
That's completely true, I only look 17!
I once got slighty irradiated. I just got a bit dizzy.
[QUOTE=FPKawaii;34067908]I once got slighty irradiated. I just got a bit dizzy.[/QUOTE]
How did that happen
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