Post Your Guns V3. Ak's and M4's as usual edition - General

The US Army should adopt the 10mm Auto in like a SIG or CZ or something.

[IMG]http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/426942_321128751262666_100000966310476_813214_1985710518_n.jpg[/IMG] Repost for content, still needs the SR-7, and since then the white board has been made the same color as the wall behind it. There's also a CA sportline M4 and a internal-less Firepower XM-8 out of frame. The KWA Glock is a friend of mine's.

[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/DSC003191.JPG[/img] [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/DSC00320.JPG[/img] These pics are so horribad, I'll take good ones tomorrow.

[IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/moe_use_the_smaller_one_dumbass.jpg[/IMG] Magpul done right imo. Most of the time its gets called a gaycr. holy shit thats a big image my bad. fixed

put it in [t] tags

Or we could just go back to he 1911.

[QUOTE=MOS1371;35448129]Or we could just go back to he 1911.[/QUOTE] This is an interesting subject to me but this debate doesn't belong here, so I'm responding in the Airsoft Chat thread if you don't mind.

I see things like this: handguns are for small areas where rifles are too cumbersome. It doesn't really matter whether it's 9mm or .45ACP, you will kill someone just as good no matter what. With the 9mm, however, you have the advantage of having a (usually) higher capacity, which means more bullets to shoot with. Whereas a single-stack 1911 only has 7+1, a Beretta M92 has a 15+1 capacity. Sometimes a higher volume of fire is better, especially in a CQB environment.

I fired a 1911 before it's hard to rapid fire because the recoil kicks the gun everywhere I fired a p226 9mm fun as hell, I think I can follow up shots better and it never seems to run low on ammunition

I just went shooting today, and fired a .45 sig, 1911, and a .38 revolver.

[QUOTE=Kill001;35459383]I fired a 1911 before it's hard to rapid fire because the recoil kicks the gun everywhere I fired a p226 9mm fun as hell, I think I can follow up shots better and it never seems to run low on ammunition[/QUOTE] .40s are great, their so controllable but about the size of a .45.

I always felt that the 1911 had lower recoil than the M9 when I shot them. .45 being a subsonic round might be a good reason as to why lol.

[QUOTE=FPKawaii;35459694].40s are great, their so controllable but about the size of a .45.[/QUOTE] In terms of recoil they're pretty close to the .45, and in terms of damage the .45, .40, and 9mm are all very similar. Personally I'm in the 9mm camp as the lessened recoil means higher first-round hit probability and more follow-up shots. I think the problem with the way the military is using 9mm handguns is in issuing hot FMJ ammo with higher recoil and more of a tendency to go out the back of the target, inflicting minimal damage. Standard-power (or even +p) hollowpoint loads, on the other hand, are extremely effective for civilian and police use, but the Hague Convention prohibits their use in war so some compromise would need to be found.

[QUOTE=FPKawaii;35459694].40s are great, their so controllable but about the size of a .45.[/QUOTE] I used a .40 p226 but the recoil is somewhat snappy compared to the 9mm

[QUOTE=Kill001;35461150]I used a .40 p226 but the recoil is somewhat snappy compared to the 9mm[/QUOTE] It's a different feel, but imo overall easier to handle.

[QUOTE=TaiwanesePrick;35461094]I always felt that the 1911 had lower recoil than the M9 when I shot them. .45 being a subsonic round might be a good reason as to why lol.[/QUOTE] It's because the 1911 has a very heavy slide while the M9 is toylike by comparison. The 1911 absorbs recoil better which means less felt over successive rounds, but still suffers in terms of accuracy because, felt or not, the muzzle goes wherever it wants when you pull the trigger. It could also be the ammunition. I've fired +p+ 9mm FMJ loads that definitely had higher recoil than standard .45s.

[QUOTE=catbarf;35461147]In terms of recoil they're pretty close to the .45, and in terms of damage the .45, .40, and 9mm are all very similar. Personally I'm in the 9mm camp as the lessened recoil means higher first-round hit probability and more follow-up shots. I think the problem with the way the military is using 9mm handguns is in issuing hot FMJ ammo with higher recoil and more of a tendency to go out the back of the target, inflicting minimal damage. Standard-power (or even +p) hollowpoint loads, on the other hand, are extremely effective for civilian and police use, but the Hague Convention prohibits their use in war so some compromise would need to be found.[/QUOTE] Prohibits from using in which situations exactly?

[QUOTE=dass;35462950]Prohibits from using in which situations exactly?[/QUOTE] IIRC the Hague Convention specifically bans projectiles designed to expand on impact in war, so hollowpoints aren't allowed, and NATO adheres to that rule. We use them against civilians, in police actions, but we don't use them against hostile combatants. Go figure.

The problem with 9mm is that it over-penetrates (as catbarf stated already) and it's specifically troublesome for hostage situations, because you definitely don't want the round to go through the combatant and into a hostage... iirc, the army is considering something chambered in .40 S&W as the replacement for the M9

Everybody should just go back to like .357 repeaters and revolvers and stuff.

The M1861 Navy should be the new standard issue sidearm of the United States Armed Forces. [t]http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1861_navy_civil_brass_lg.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=catbarf;35463680]IIRC the Hague Convention specifically bans projectiles designed to expand on impact in war, so hollowpoints aren't allowed, and NATO adheres to that rule. We use them against civilians, in police actions, but we don't use them against hostile combatants. Go figure.[/QUOTE] That doesn't makes any fucking sense. I thought in a war, you were supposed to kill the other side, and even if medics could have complications extracting the round, that would be... well, good, right? A little more of a win right? Why would you not use a round that does that much ammount of damage in a fucking war, but you would use it against civilians where it would be a huge overkill? Hence why I asked. It sounds so retarded that I thought my question would also sound retarded, thinking there would be a sound explanation that I didn't know of.

[QUOTE=dass;35471686]I thought in a war, you were supposed to kill the other side, and even if medics could have complications extracting the round, that would be... well, good, right? A little more of a win right?[/QUOTE] Well, that was the reasoning behind using mustard gas and deliberately shelling trenches so that whole companies of soldiers would slowly, agonizingly die over the course of months, causing them to waste vast amounts of resources (by remaining alive and needing medical care) and hinder the efforts of their military. Then it got labeled a war crime, and the rules of war were revised to further spell out that the point of war is to win via killing, but unnecessary suffering of the soldiers involved is to be avoided. If it seems arbitrary, it is- the Germans petitioned for shotguns to be banned in WW1, for example, since a spray of buckshot is even more traumatic and difficult to remove than an expanded hollowpoint, but were overruled and so shotguns have always been legal. Yeah, it's ridiculous that hollowpoints of all things are banned and yeah, it's a bit retarded that we can use them against our own citizens but not against foreign combatants but IMO it's better to follow the rules than devolve into a no-holds-barred kill-em-any-way-you-can bloodbath which never goes well.

[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/20120407181553458.jpg/][IMG]http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9213/20120407181553458.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Just finished switching the stocks on these two. <3

[QUOTE=catbarf;35472195]Well, that was the reasoning behind using mustard gas and deliberately shelling trenches so that whole companies of soldiers would slowly, agonizingly die over the course of months, causing them to waste vast amounts of resources (by remaining alive and needing medical care) and hinder the efforts of their military. Then it got labeled a war crime, and the rules of war were revised to further spell out that the point of war is to win via killing, but unnecessary suffering of the soldiers involved is to be avoided. If it seems arbitrary, it is- the Germans petitioned for shotguns to be banned in WW1, for example, since a spray of buckshot is even more traumatic and difficult to remove than an expanded hollowpoint, but were overruled and so shotguns have always been legal. Yeah, it's ridiculous that hollowpoints of all things are banned and yeah, it's a bit retarded that we can use them against our own citizens but not against foreign combatants but IMO it's better to follow the rules than devolve into a no-holds-barred kill-em-any-way-you-can bloodbath which never goes well.[/QUOTE] In short, you can kill as long as they die... Civilized war? Kinda sounds like changing NASCAR car for electric cars only but ok I guess... War isn't exactly the pretiest of things already, and some of those that come back don't quite come back right with a few fucked up wounds to traumatize them.

And it's not like the terrorists are following the laws of warfare... [editline]8th April 2012[/editline] Unrelated, but dass, whenever I see your name I read "dat ass" for some reason :v:

[QUOTE=felix the cat;35481509]And it's not like the terrorists are following the laws of warfare... [editline]8th April 2012[/editline] Unrelated, but dass, whenever I see your name I read "dat ass" for some reason :v:[/QUOTE] Sort of looks like it. Its actually short for "fodasse" which is portuguese for "fuck" or "damn".

My guns! [IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9492989/Photo%20Apr%2025%2C%207%2038%2054%20PM.jpg[/IMG] Hooray! (can I play wit chu guis?)

Which of those are actually airsoft 'hay guys im come play wit my real guns n kill u' has been posted so many times and has never been funny Airsoft or not those are mostly some pretty cool guns, just keep it to the firearms thread.

Nice Saiga. [editline]8th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=FloaterTWO;35482703]Which of those are actually airsoft 'hay guys im come play wit my real guns n kill u' has been posted so many times and has never been funny Airsoft or not those are mostly some pretty cool guns, just keep it to the firearms thread.[/QUOTE] Nivek is cool, chill.