[QUOTE=scotty1;32102010]I'll pick an l96 so i can quickscope with it.
Like in black ops[/QUOTE]
i honestly wonder what treyarch was thinking. "hey guys, our game is in the 60's, lets put in a bunch of guns and gear that wasnt made or even designed until the 70's, 80's, and upwards of 90's!" "Yeah, sounds good to me."
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;32102404]i honestly wonder what treyarch was thinking. "hey guys, our game is in the 60's, lets put in a bunch of guns and gear that wasnt made or even designed until the 70's, 80's, and upwards of 90's!" "Yeah, sounds good to me."[/QUOTE]
Soviet soldiers wearing Flora 6B13s over Afghankas in the campaign and shooting at you with AUGs.
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;32099700]I understand the hipster AK bias on here, but if my life were on the line, I would trust it to an AR-type weapon.[/QUOTE]
If my life were on the line, I would trust it to a weapon that I absolutely know would work. In most situations it's more important to have a weapon that will never FTF than one with pinpoint accuracy or lighter weight. My father hated the AR-15 platform, as while it worked fine in training, the decade-old weapons in a storeroom in Tanzania had an alarming tendency to jam or fail mechanically. If you're looking for a state-of-the-art high-tech weapon to equip an army with, and can count on that army keeping their weapons in perfect condition, an AR-15 is fine. But if you're looking for a weapon you can keep in an armory for years on end in hostile environments, or store in a safe place to be used at a moment's notice, or use to equip an insurgent or civilian who can't be trusted to keep it in tip-top shape, an AK is simply a better weapon.
Wait, wait. So not wanting to use an M4 makes you a hipster? I have a SCAR and a T91. Does that make me a hipster?
Plus there's much less of a learning curve in terms of cleaning and caring for an AK.
It took 3 of us (all gun freaks) to put my friends M4 back together properly the first time
[QUOTE=felix the cat;32103245]Plus there's much less of a learning curve in terms of cleaning and caring for an AK.
It took 3 of us (all gun freaks) to put my friends M4 back together properly the first time[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;irykjLjuKo8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irykjLjuKo8[/video]
TT^TT
I said the first time. She's obviously done it before.
Also, we took it completely apart, down to the last screw/spring/nut/whatever
[QUOTE=felix the cat;32103316]I said the first time. She's obviously done it before.
Also, we took it completely apart, down to the last screw/spring/nut/whatever[/QUOTE]
My dad has not one, but several AR-15s. I can't put any of them together that quickly.... not that I can put together an AK quickly, but eh.
EDIT: Forrest Gump still holds the record time for assembling and disassembling the M14. GO GO GO GUYS BEAT HIM.
[QUOTE=TaiwanesePrick;32103218]Wait, wait. So not wanting to use an M4 makes you a hipster? I have a SCAR and a T91. Does that make me a hipster?[/QUOTE]
The SCAR isn't hipster at all but the T91 is hipster as fuck.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;32103370]The SCAR isn't hipster at all but the T91 is hipster as fuck.[/QUOTE]
T91 I haven't gotten to skirmish yet. Maybe I will sometime this winter. School/Marching Band takes up too much time.
The SCAR was Ender's old SCAR. That's gotta amount to something. If I ask him to sign it for me...
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;32099700]I have fired a few ARs and I gotta say they are extremely comfortable weapons. I understand the hipster AK bias on here, but if my life were on the line, I would trust it to an AR-type weapon.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/17600000/z25-guns-17686497-778-584.jpg[/img]
I'd rather use this if my life was on the line.
[QUOTE=ShadoWxAssassiN;32103493][img]http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/17600000/z25-guns-17686497-778-584.jpg[/img]
I'd rather use this if my life was on the line.[/QUOTE]
I've held a real C9A2, which is Canada's version of the Minimi Para. That's not something you want to be lugging around for several hours, it weighs at least 15 pounds unloaded with an ELCAN scope, PEQ-2 and vertical grip attached. So now add 200 rounds of 5.56 plus the box onto that and all your extra ammo and all your gear.
[QUOTE=TaiwanesePrick;32103342]My dad has not one, but several AR-15s. I can't put any of them together that quickly.... not that I can put together an AK quickly, but eh.
EDIT: Forrest Gump still holds the record time for assembling and disassembling the M14. GO GO GO GUYS BEAT HIM.[/QUOTE]
GUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMP WHY DID YOU PUT THAT WEAPON TOGETHER SO QUICKLY GUMP?
[editline]4th September 2011[/editline]
Fun fact: My father looked EXACTLY like Forrest Gump when he was in the Army.
HOLY SHIT YOUR DAD IS TOM HANKS
[QUOTE=catbarf;32103157]-Lots of words-[/QUOTE]
ARs really aren't that bad when it comes to jamming. If you make sure to check and (if need be) clean it on a weekly basis, in addition to using good mags, you don't really have to worry about jamming. Of course, I wouldn't be able to shoot while underwater or if I decide to become mud-man, but I find those circumstances a bit extreme.
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;32103674]clean it on a weekly basis[/QUOTE]
ARs need to be cleaned much more than that son. Really you should clean ANY gun once a day depending on usage
[editline]4th September 2011[/editline]
soldiers are kinda shit outta luck on the mag issue. The issued STANAGs are shit mags, and good ones (I mean really good ones) can cost upwards of $60
[QUOTE=felix the cat;32103700]ARs need to be cleaned much more than that son. Really you should clean ANY gun once a day depending on usage[/QUOTE]
Oh well ya if you are dropping-bodies every day then you should be cleaning it a lot more than once a week. I'm really talking about my experiences with ARs at shooting ranges. I find that the whole jamming argument is a bit overblown.
Well you're also not shooting your gun every single day and in a very dirty and dusty environment, while other people are shooting at you, and you're diving into the dirt to avoid getting shot, disregarding gun maintenance in order to save your own life
[QUOTE=felix the cat;32103700]ARs need to be cleaned much more than that son. Really you should clean ANY gun once a day depending on usage
[editline]4th September 2011[/editline]
soldiers are kinda shit outta luck on the mag issue. The issued STANAGs are shit mags, and good ones (I mean really good ones) can cost upwards of $60[/QUOTE]
uh a good mag like the pmag is cheaper than the airsoft ones
pmags still suffer the follower nosedive like the regular STANAGs
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;32103674]ARs really aren't that bad when it comes to jamming. If you make sure to check and (if need be) clean it on a weekly basis, in addition to using good mags, you don't really have to worry about jamming. Of course, I wouldn't be able to shoot while underwater or if I decide to become mud-man, but I find those circumstances a bit extreme. [/QUOTE]
That's true, but even with proper maintenance, AR-15 derivatives just don't have the same rock-solid reliability as AKs. ARs aren't bad guns, and they definitely beat even modern AKs in accuracy, but if I were to choose one weapon to trust my life to, it would be one that will simply always work.
Overseas, my family's emergency bug-out kit never, ever included an AR-15. A weapon that needs to be stripped and cleaned frequently is simply not a weapon well-suited to civilian use, emergency use, or operation in damaging environments for long periods of time with no access to repair tools or replacement parts.
[editline]4th September 2011[/editline]
It's not just about whether it can shoot after being dropped in the mud once, it's about whether it can still shoot after sitting in a storage room for years, being carried through dusty savanna or humid lowlands for days or weeks, and having a couple of magazines' worth of similarly old cartridges put through it in 105 degree heat, all without access to more than a rag for maintenance.
It takes an exceptionally good design to work under such conditions, and while the AR platform isn't a bad design by any means, the AK is the one that sets the bar.
[QUOTE=felix the cat;32103912]pmags still suffer the follower nosedive like the regular STANAGs[/QUOTE]
they have anti tilt followers
which the new usgi with the tan follower copies
The follower isn't the problem. it's the curvature of the magazine
uh even with that curvature the entire point of an anti tilt follower is to not nosedive
it's like the main draw of the pmag
pmags have their own loading issues
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/PMAG_002.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=catbarf]
Overseas, my family's emergency bug-out kit[/QUOTE]
what
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;32104322]what[/QUOTE]
I lived overseas. My family had to be prepared to leave in a hurry, possibly in danger from the local populace, so we kept a bug-out kit. What's confusing?
so catbarf lived in overseas shitholes
[QUOTE=iFail;32104695]so catbarf lived in overseas shitholes[/QUOTE]
Eight years in Nairobi (Kenya), Dar-Es-Salaam (Tanzania), and Tbilisi (Georgia, the country). My mother worked for the State Department and my father for the CIA. So yeah, a bunch of overseas shitholes. If you look in the AK thread, in the first pic I posted you can see a little bit of the zebra skin that adorns one of my walls, a little souvenir of hunting for meat in Kenya.
I readily admit that I'm biased in regards to weapon durability and reliability. Tanzanian savannah is not very forgiving on mechanical reliability. The fact that AKs worked flawlessly in such situations is what endears them to me.
Catbarf, don't you live in PA now? I could have sworn i saw you post somewhere before saying that.
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