[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48278983]He's a bit of a cartoon villain in my mind. Stereotypical deranged narcissistic sociopath.[/QUOTE]Cartoonish? Well, maybe later, but he fit brilliantly into Kenneth Branagh's Thor which was going for this shakespearan vibe (and using classicly trained actor was another great choice). Too bad Marvel completely overused him in later films.
Why didn't they do Ant-Man before Avengers 2 and have Ant-Man in it?
[QUOTE=Joz;48282881]Cartoonish? Well, maybe later, but he fit brilliantly into Kenneth Branagh's Thor which was going for this shakespearan vibe (and using classicly trained actor was another great choice). Too bad Marvel completely overused him in later films.[/QUOTE]I guess it was Joss Whedon's idea to make him into a Ben10 character.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48283100]Why didn't they do Ant-Man before Avengers 2 and have Ant-Man in it?
I guess it was Joss Whedon's idea to make him into a Ben10 character.[/QUOTE]
Production problems maybe? It does seem like the Avengers movies are supposed to end the phases (that was the case with Phase 1). Though the Inhumans are slated to release after Infinity War
[QUOTE=halfer;48283109]Production problems maybe? It does seem like the Avengers movies are supposed to end the phases (that was the case with Phase 1). Though the Inhumans are slated to release after Infinity War[/QUOTE] That would make sense.
This is just me, but I'd have put the earth heros in phase 1 and Avengers 1 be against Hydra then have them create Ultron to combat Hydra. Then introduced Thor in phase 2 and have Loki fight the Avengers with Shield torn apart by Ultron and Hydra. But that's just me.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48283100]Why didn't they do Ant-Man before Avengers 2 and have Ant-Man in it?[/QUOTE]
Because of Edgar Wright?
Thought thats been clear for awhile now.
Yeah it was clear from back when they announced Ant Man for Phase 1 that Edgar Wright was vocal about how he wants his film to be stand alone.
Love Edgar Wright. Sure his Ant-man would've been incredible. But he was the wrong choice for the sort of franchise building film series that Marvel were building.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48283100]Why didn't they do Ant-Man before Avengers 2 and have Ant-Man in it?
I guess it was Joss Whedon's idea to make him into a Ben10 character.[/QUOTE]
It was.
[QUOTE=27X;48285788]It was.[/QUOTE]The way you quoted me makes it looks like I said Joss Whedon turned Antman into a Ben10 character.
He probably tried to before they pried the script from his hands.
Unpopular opinion: I liked IM3's Mandarin. It's nothing like the comic but I thought it was pretty clever to make him a puppet created to fulfill some people's agenda. And I think it was dumb to make that one-shot implying that the "real" Mandarin is yet to be revealed just because people bitched about it.
Also, unless they wanted to introduce magic on IM3, it would be really odd to see Stark fighting an asian Elton John with magic rings.
I think we've probably got very few Tony Stark Iron Man films left. At most 3, but I think 1 or 2 is more believable.
There's none in phase 3 and Downey will be 55 by the time we get to the point they're filming Phase 4. Granted it's usually not him doing all the action but I don't think he's going to want to be locked into these films for the rest of his life. You're not gonna get more than 1 or 2 in a phase and each phase is like roughly 5 years long.
I think we're closer to the end of Stark as Iron Man than we are the start. So I hope they bring this "real Mandarin" in soon so we can see him face off against Stark at least once.
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;48290103]Unpopular opinion: I liked IM3's Mandarin. It's nothing like the comic but I thought it was pretty clever to make him a puppet created to fulfill some people's agenda. And I think it was dumb to make that one-shot implying that the "real" Mandarin is yet to be revealed just because people bitched about it.
Also, unless they wanted to introduce magic on IM3, it would be really odd to see Stark fighting an asian Elton John with magic rings.[/QUOTE]Magic doesn't really belong in the MCU, it's advance tech or nothing. I mean Thor isn't a God, he's an advanced alien which makes more sense in a time when the audience is much better educated. Magic is annoying as it doesn't have strong enough believability behind it.
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;48290103]Unpopular opinion: I liked IM3's Mandarin. It's nothing like the comic but I thought it was pretty clever to make him a puppet created to fulfill some people's agenda. And I think it was dumb to make that one-shot implying that the "real" Mandarin is yet to be revealed just because people bitched about it.
Also, unless they wanted to introduce magic on IM3, it would be really odd to see Stark fighting an asian Elton John with magic rings.[/QUOTE]
I got mad at it when IM3 came out but now I realize I was just being a total nerd
The twist was alright and the symbolism/political satire behind it was really good HOWEVER
I still didn't like [sp]Guy Pearce being the real Mandarin[/sp]. He was one of the weaker Marvel villains but what made it jarring was that we had Ben Kingsley's amazing performance in the same film
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48289247]The way you quoted me makes it looks like I said Joss Whedon turned Antman into a Ben10 character.[/QUOTE]
What the hell is a Ben10 character
I've noticed that each phase is slightly more insane than the next, in a good way.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48290742]What the hell is a Ben10 character[/QUOTE]It's a character from a cartoon my cousin used to watch. It has typical 2D character development.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48290470]Magic doesn't really belong in the MCU, it's advance tech or nothing. I mean Thor isn't a God, he's an advanced alien which makes more sense in a time when the audience is much better educated. Magic is annoying as it doesn't have strong enough believability behind it.[/QUOTE]
Magic exists in the Marvel universe. Like it or not it's going into the MCU with things like Dr Strange and the Infinity Gems.
Loads of characters in the MCU use magic. Scarlet Witch, Dr Strange and Nico Minoru are just a couple that spring to mind.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;48291008]Magic exists in the Marvel universe. Like it or not it's going into the MCU with things like Dr Strange and the Infinity Gems.
Loads of characters in the MCU use magic. Scarlet Witch, Dr Strange and Nico Minoru are just a couple that spring to mind.[/QUOTE]In the comics magic exists sure, Thor is also a real God in the comics, just not in the MCU. Scarlet Witch doesn't use magic in the Cinematic Universe, it's just complex science.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48291063]In the comics magic exists sure, Thor is also a real God in the comics, just not in the MCU. Scarlet Witch doesn't use magic in the Cinematic Universe, it's just complex science.[/QUOTE]
If the MCU is suppose to be the comics on the big screen, then magic has to be introduced at some point.
We already have an established magician in MCU. His name is Loki and he specialises in illusions.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48291108]If the MCU is suppose to be the comics on the big screen, then magic has to be introduced at some point.[/QUOTE]Just use the advanced science explanation. I don't see much difference anyway, one can be explained away with techno babble, the other 'Just is', which is annoying.
[editline]26th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Damjen;48291149]We already have an established magician in MCU. His name is Loki and he specialises in illusions.[/QUOTE]He's an alien using advanced science.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48291166]Just use the advanced science explanation. I don't see much difference anyway, one can be explained away with techno babble, the other 'Just is', which is annoying.
[editline]26th July 2015[/editline]
He's an alien.[/QUOTE]
And? He still uses magic, hell, it was called as such on atleast two separate occasions.
For me the idea with Asgardians was that they use magic so advanced that it's indistinguishable from technology.
[editline]July 25th[/editline]
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48291201]When was it called magic?[/QUOTE]
Thor: Dark World
[QUOTE=Damjen;48291194]And? He still uses magic, hell, it was called as such on atleast two separate occasions.[/QUOTE]When was it called magic? I do recall a lot of the "Magic" in 'Thor 2' being called science by other characters. "Magic is just a term people from Asgard use, like Realms.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48291201]When was it called magic? I do recall a lot of the "Magic" in 'Thor 2' being called science by other characters. "Magic is just a term people from Asgard use, like Realms.[/QUOTE]
Loki can snap his fingers and his clothes change, he can disguise himself as an Asgardian, he can create illusions without any technological or chemical help, he is literally called "master of magicks" among Asgardians. It's magic, Asgardians clearly know the difference between technology and magic, their magic just works on the same principles as technology once it starts actually working, that doesn't mean it's not magic.
Just look at the freaking Mjolnir, Odin talks to it and suddenly only the worthy can use it.
[QUOTE=Damjen;48291269]Loki can snap his fingers and his clothes change, he can disguise himself as an Asgardian, he can create illusions without any technological or chemical help, he is literally called "master of magicks" among Asgardians. It's magic, Asgardians clearly know the difference between technology and magic, the magic just works on the same principles as technology.[/QUOTE] No it's all part of Asguardian technology that he has researched and knows how to use to his advantage, like that Destroyer robot from the first Thor movie which Shield used to make a gun. I don't think they'd have reverse engineered magic into a gun. Lady Sif also says they are millennia more advanced than Earth humans. Mjolnir can also be Asguardian technology.
I don't know why you're so keen on called it "Magic" anyway, the only difference in movie terms is techno babble.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48291315]No it's all part of Asguardian technology that he has researched and knows how to use to his advantage, like that Destroyer robot from the first Thor movie which Shield used to make a gun. I don't think they'd have reverse engineered magic into a gun. Lady Sif also says they are millennia more advanced than Earth humans.[/QUOTE]
The gun is clearly much less powerful than the Destroyer himself because surprise surprise, he's made with both magic and technology. If Loki used technology to conjure the illusions they would take it away from him when he was imprisoned (in Asgardian prison no less, where they would definitely know if he's using technology), simple as that. Asgardians use freaking magic, just ask people who worked on Thor movies.
[editline]July 25th[/editline]
[QUOTE]I don't know why you're so keen on called it "Magic" anyway, the only difference in movie terms is techno babble.[/QUOTE]
Magic can be used to achieve stuff that is literally impossible to explain with science (like creating stuff from thin air). It also works on separate set of rules that will be explained atleast in part in the Doctor Strange movie.
[QUOTE=Damjen;48291336]The gun is clearly much less powerful than the Destroyer himself because surprise surprise, he's made with both magic and technology. If Loki used technology to conjure the illusions they would take it away from him when he was imprisoned.[/QUOTE]It's millennia more advanced so yeah, I don't think they'd have known exactly how it works or how Loki is able to do what he does. It'd be like showing a smart phone to a Roman, to them it's "Magic". Also which people who worked on the film said that?
[QUOTE]Magic can be used to achieve stuff that is literally impossible to explain with science (like creating stuff from thin air). It also works on separate set of rules that will be explained atleast in part in the Doctor Strange movie.[/QUOTE] Hmm, you seem pretty sure of that, I hope you aren't breaching an NDAs. Also I don't know why you're so hung up on magic anyway, it's like the "we couldn't think of an explanation" excuse in every story it's in.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48291201]When was it called magic? I do recall a lot of the "Magic" in 'Thor 2' being called science by other characters. "Magic is just a term people from Asgard use, like Realms.[/QUOTE]
Thor 1, the big blonde hammer down mother fucker himself explicitly says "Where I come from, magic and science are one in the same" this states that his people know explicitly the difference between the do, and that they use both, so they use both.
Also, His hammer is fucking magic, and Loki's tricks are magic, you honestly cant argue against that. Theres no science that will let you whisper into a hammer and then all that hammer deems worthy to be able to pick it up.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48291358]It's millennia more advanced so yeah, I don't think they'd have known exactly how it works or how Loki is able to do what he does. It'd be like showing a smart phone to a Roman, to them it's "Magic". Also which people who worked on the film said that?[/QUOTE]
Be that as it may, Thor's hammer isnt a smart phone. It doesnt have buttons. It also has physically impossible properties that defy the laws of physics just as hard as pym particles.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48291358]Hmm, you seem pretty sure of that, I hope you aren't breaching an NDAs. Also I don't know why you're so hung up on magic anyway, it's like the "we couldn't think of an explanation" excuse in every story it's in.[/QUOTE]
Or common sense based on what he knows of the comic book character?
Do you ever pay attention when you're arguing in any of these movie threads.
[editline]25th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48291315]No it's all part of Asguardian technology that he has researched and knows how to use to his advantage, like that Destroyer robot from the first Thor movie which Shield used to make a gun. I don't think they'd have reverse engineered magic into a gun. Lady Sif also says they are millennia more advanced than Earth humans. Mjolnir can also be Asguardian technology.
I don't know why you're so keen on called it "Magic" anyway, the only difference in movie terms is techno babble.[/QUOTE]
They managed to reverse engineer an impossible cube that can do literally anything into a power source for weaponry and the arc reactor. If they can do that, reverse engineering the face blast from the Destroyer would be easy.
Also, look at the destroyer again, where would the electronics be? or anything? You cant just have shit appear from thin air without an explanation for where it comes from. That doesnt work.
[URL="http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2014/03/13/kevin-feige-explains-how-magic-will-work-in-doctor-strange"]Kevin Feige himself says Dr Strange will introduce magic into the MCU.[/URL]
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;48291063]In the comics magic exists sure, Thor is also a real God in the comics, just not in the MCU. Scarlet Witch doesn't use magic in the Cinematic Universe, it's just complex science.[/QUOTE]
Thor can cast down lightning from the sky, and not only that, but direct it at a target and have it course through his body without any ill effects. Thats exactly how he is in the comics.
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