[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;44482733]wow it's almost like every other superhero movie out there is in their own universe and not a part of a larger scheme like the mcu or the dccu.
weird huh?[/QUOTE]
except that every standalone marvel movie acts like, well, a standalone movie. cap, the hulk, thor or iron man don't mention each other in their movies. the concept of "super heroes" only pops up in the avengers. i have nothing against you liking man of steel, but please don't pretend that it's actually unique
If we are arguing bout superhero movies, then I'll say Dark Knight Rises ending was terrible.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;44457677][sp]I thought Zola being dedicated to Hydra like that was a huge surprise. He struck me in the first film as not dedicated to Hydra but a scientist with no morals. But I'm not huge on the background for Marvel films. I was also surprised that they blew up the bunker, I would of thought him a coward instead of sacrificing what remained of him in order to keep Cap busy.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I have a feeling that we [sp]haven't seen the last of Dr. Zola. He's clearly smart enough that it'd be worth it for HYDRA to back him up somewhere.[/sp]
But really, I just want [sp]him walking around in a big dumb robot body.[/sp]
[editline]7th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dr McNinja;44473263]I really liked CA2. There were quite a few things I noticed.
[sp]They mentioned Stephen Strange at one point as well as "some high school valedictorian" when Nick Fury originally explained who all they were looking into. I'm also really curious if there are any other interesting characters thrown in there when the computer was showing everyone that's being targeted towards the end.[/sp]
Overall it was a really cool movie. Really violent but definitely fit the tone.[/QUOTE]
I just realized that it's entirely possible that the [sp]"high school valedectorian" was an unnamed Peter Parker[/sp].
Goddamn I want Marvel to get the rights back already.
[editline]7th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;44473757][sp]yeah surely they aren't stupid enough to just shoot banner, knowing it won't kill him at all but it will kill basically everyone within his vicinity[/sp][/QUOTE]
That's one thing I always wondered with [sp]Banner. Like, what if you just randomly destroy him? He's just walking along, totally calm, then a sniper gets him right in the head. Would he die because he doesn't have enough time to Hulk out?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44482764]except that every standalone marvel movie acts like, well, a standalone movie. cap, the hulk, thor or iron man don't mention each other in their movies. the concept of "super heroes" only pops up in the avengers. i have nothing against you liking man of steel, but please don't pretend that it's actually unique[/QUOTE]
congratulations on misunderstanding my post, or did you just simply ignore the fact that i said "not a part of a larger scheme like the mcu or the dccu"
i'm talking about the x-men movies being in their own universe, fantastic four being in their own universe, daredevil, ghost rider, punisher, green lantern, spiderman, nolan batman trilogy.
I thought Man of Steel was fine but Lois Lane and the dad was absolutely awful.
also the reason why thor doesn't show up in iron man movies or cap doesn't show up in thor movies is because most of the events are happening concurrently and they're dealing with their own shit.
[editline]8th April 2014[/editline]
like, the first thor movie, iron man 2, and the incredible hulk all occurs simultaneously within a weeks worth of time right before the avengers.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;44482855]congratulations on misunderstanding my post, or did you just simply ignore the fact that i said "not a part of a larger scheme like the mcu or the dccu"
i'm talking about the x-men movies being in their own universe, fantastic four being in their own universe, daredevil, ghost rider, punisher, green lantern, spiderman, nolan batman trilogy.[/QUOTE]
you also misunderstood my post but whatever
how does that make it unique is what you still haven't explained. they're in different universes, what's new about that
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44474756]ok so, according to that article, the [spoilers to other marvel movies, not specifically cap2] [sp]thing at the end of loki's staff is the mind gem. we already know the tesseract is the space gem, and the aether is the power gem. how would they even portray the other gems, i wonder? especially the soul gem, since they haven't exactly mentioned any sort of afterlife except for in that one AoS episode[/sp][/QUOTE]
The [sp]thingy in GotG is supposedly going to be the Time Gem. I remember hearing a rumor that Red Skull has a cameo.[/sp]
If Doctor Strange is in Phase 3, they could easily [sp]introduce the Soul Gem[/sp] there in some way.
As for the [sp]Reality Gem[/sp], that could show up in literally anything (maybe that's what [sp]HYDRA wanted Scarlet Witch for?[/sp]).
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;44482879]also the reason why thor doesn't show up in iron man movies or cap doesn't show up in thor movies is because most of the events are happening concurrently and they're dealing with their own shit.
[editline]8th April 2014[/editline]
like, the first thor movie, iron man 2, and the incredible hulk all occurs simultaneously within a weeks worth of time right before the avengers.[/QUOTE]
no shit? my point still stands
it does not matter that they're part of a bigger universe, because outside of the avengers movies, they do not affect each other AT ALL
Man of Steel was [i]okay[/i].
I mean, it was either cool or shitty, no in-between.
That whole scene with him turning himself over to the military?
Awesome.
Kissing Lois while the ashes of dead people rained down around them?
Shit.
Pa Kent telling Clark "no matter what, you're gonna change the world someday"?
Awesome.
Pa Kent saying "maybe" when asked if he should have let those kids drown?
Shit.
Superman fighting Zod in a huge fight that levels more than half of Metropolis, giving people like Lex Luthor a reason to distrust Superman?
Awesome.
Superman just killing Zod instead of doing something awesome (like maybe putting his hands over Zod's eyes, beating him into unconsciousness, and imprisoning him in a room full of red sunlight)?
Shit.
It had problems, but I feel like it wasn't irredeemably bad. Remember, it wasn't until Avengers that the Hulk was done REALLY REALLY well.
I'm hoping they understand what people disliked about the first one and make things better in the sequel. Or even better, take those faults and turn them into strengths. Superman killing Zod could be used to establish his "there's always another way" mentality. Make it so that he's NOT perfect, but, after taking a life, he STRIVES to be, so that he never has to kill again. Use Pa Kent's lame death to increase tension between Supes and Bats (I swear, Batman needs to end an argument with "you could have saved your father, I didn't have a choice"). Use the destruction of Metropolis to make Lex a villain with a strong, understandable motive.
The fact that the script is being re-written by the dude who did Argo is a good sign.
Superman's costume undergoing a change (I'm hoping they either make it brighter (so he seems less alien in the eyes of the public) or make the shield black (in mourning for those lost in Metropolis)) is a good sign.
The ship isn't totally sunk. Granted, Marvel's ship is zooming fucking circles around DC's, but there's still hope for the franchise if they make some smart decisions and take feedback and criticism seriously.
tl;dr
Man of Steel was okay, had its problems, but it wasn't irredeemable. There's a chance that World's Finest (I hate the title "Batman vs Superman") will be way better, despite the flaws of the first movie.
[QUOTE=mark6789;44482871]the dad was absolutely awful.[/QUOTE]
STOP, MY INVINCIBLE SON!
I wish people would stop casting a sack of molding potatoes (aka kevin costner) in movies
All-in-all, if you want a good Superman film, try Superman vs The Elite.
my favorite thing about man of steel was the omnipresent amateur cameraman
them out-of-focus zoom-ins, man, it's really all you want during an action scene
I liked Man of Steel because things blew up. It was the final act of the Avengers but with none of the characterisation or characters I care about to get in the way and confuse my simplistic brain.
Hey is The Avengers: Earth's Mightest Heroes any good?
[QUOTE=Joz;44480136]If Superman, from the very beginning would be all like "I have very strong moral compass and scout's honor I'll never do harm to any living human being", the main complaint would be that he's old-fashioned and totally unfitted to the current times. Because why would he be like that? Because he's good inside? Sorry, it's not the sixties, nobody's gonna buy that crap. So when instead writers give us a solid foundation to believe that yeah, he has a reason to not kill anybody - he did once, had no choice, felt awful afterwards, end of story, then people like you refuse seeing the bigger picture and complain "But he doesn't kill, end of story". Think about it like about Batman - his character would be rather confusing and messed up without the story about killing his parents in the back alley. Fuck, even complaining that they stole this plotline from Batman makes more sense than such whining.[/QUOTE]
Um what? I'm sorry that I'm butting into to this late discussion in a Marvel thread but really, do people need a reason to think that killing is bad? Does someone need to actually kill first to adopt a no-kill policy? "Because he's good inside?" I'm sorry, but if you can't see that the majority if not all of Superman's humanity comes from how good he is inside (plus the Kents) then I'm not sure if you really get Superman. Hell, the majority of the great comics about Superman we have today are centered around Superman's 'super-morality'. If you really wanted to get into this "no-killing-rule" thing then you would have known Superman has had that policy years before the 1960s.
And really, comparing 'Superman killing Zod/someone important makes him realise that killing is bad and then adopts a no kill policy' to 'Batman's parents getting killed in an alley' is completely silly. Batman's parents getting killed is Batman's most famous piece of origin and came from his creators, Finger and Kane. Superman killing Zod and etc came from John Byrne after DC did a huge retcon that made everything Siegel and Shuster ever wrote non-canon. One of them is something that was always intended by the creators to be the major or even the sole reason their character becomes a superhero and the other one is something that was added in after DC did a dick move and never a thing that was even hinted at during the time where Siegel and Shuster worked or lived. See the difference?
Whining about 'Superman has never killed!' is silly, yes because he totally has killed or caused the death of people several times in the comics but there're so far and few between it's not really important. If we're talking about the Golden Age (the one thing people would always bring up with a Superman that 'kills'), that Superman has nothing in common with the MOSman. Really if the original Golden Age Superman (prior to when his no-kill policy was added) was in MOS, then the whole end fight would have ended 20 minutes earlier with Superman snapping Zod's neck and then dusting his hands off, he would say "A well deserved fate!".
dat faora tho
[QUOTE=Joz;44479633]It works well as a comedy:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20K6Tq3Q3W0[/media]
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as soon as the song started i cringed
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44483611]Hey is The Avengers: Earth's Mightest Heroes any good?[/QUOTE]
It's amazing.
Takes a bit to get going, but once it does, it's more or less on-par with the DCAU.
Just stay away from Avengers Assemble.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44483611]Hey is The Avengers: Earth's Mightest Heroes any good?[/QUOTE]
It's alright. Not nearly as good as Justice League, but it's respectable. Certainly worth a look.
Might as well give it a chance, not watched anything TV related in ages and I'm back on the superheroes again.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44483611]Hey is The Avengers: Earth's Mightest Heroes any good?[/QUOTE]
It had an episode with the Guardians of the Galaxy one time.
That was pretty good.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44483416]my favorite thing about man of steel was the omnipresent amateur cameraman
them out-of-focus zoom-ins, man, it's really all you want during an action scene[/QUOTE]
it's so dense
every shot has so many things going on
I forgot this was the Man of Steel thread, thought this for a separate company's movies for a second, whoops silly me
One thing I didn't like about Avengers: EMH was that they made Captain America a massive mary sue.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44482918]no shit? my point still stands
it does not matter that they're part of a bigger universe, because outside of the avengers movies, they do not affect each other AT ALL[/QUOTE]
uuuuuh
The events of Captain America are kicked off by Schmidt/Red Skull finding the tesseract that was left there by Odin at the start of Thor, is that not a pretty significant link? Tony Stark's father is a lead in Captain America, and was assassinated by Hydra? Does that not pretty strongly link Captain America to Iron Man? The whole plot of The Incredible Hulk occurred because Bruce was trying to re-create the supersoldier formula used in Captain America, is that not a link between those films?
I really don't see how you could say they don't effect each other at all, they all reference events of the other films in some way (even in Iron Man 1 Tony mentions how Howard helped to defeat the Nazis) and most of them are heavily influenced by the things that have occurred in the other films. There is no single film you could remove that wouldn't open up holes in the others.
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;44487186]uuuuuh
The events of Captain America are kicked off by Schmidt/Red Skull finding the tesseract that was left there by Odin at the start of Thor, is that not a pretty significant link? Tony Stark's father is a lead in Captain America, and was assassinated by Hydra? Does that not pretty strongly link Captain America to Iron Man? The whole plot of The Incredible Hulk occurred because Bruce was trying to re-create the supersoldier formula used in Captain America, is that not a link between those films?
I really don't see how you could say they don't effect each other at all, they all reference events of the other films in some way (even in Iron Man 1 Tony mentions how Howard helped to defeat the Nazis) and most of them are heavily influenced by the things that have occurred in the other films. There is no single film you could remove that wouldn't open up holes in the others.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say they weren't related, or that they didn't have strong links to each other. My point is this: even though you'll only FULLY understand the universe surrounding the Marvel movies if you watch all of them, you don't NEED to do so in order to understand said films.
Howard Stark worked with Cap, yes, but that doesn't affect the Iron Man films in the slightest (Howard does affect the IM series, but not because of his link with CA). Odin left the cosmic cube on earth, but that only explains how the Red Skull got it, it doesn't actually change the plot in any significant way (if the cube had been left there by Jay Leno's omnipotent cousin, the movie would've still been the same)
Wow, do they really not know the answers or are they just joking?
[url]http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/1027687/marvel-quiz-what-does-shield-stand-for.jhtml#id=1725569[/url]
[url]http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/1027688/marvel-quiz-what-does-the-j-stand-for-in-nicholas-j-fury.jhtml#id=1725569[/url]
So Marvel characters have been confirmed for Disney Infinity:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RknsxFhHEU[/media]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44487482]I didn't say they weren't related, or that they didn't have strong links to each other. My point is this: even though you'll only FULLY understand the universe surrounding the Marvel movies if you watch all of them, you don't NEED to do so in order to understand said films.
Howard Stark worked with Cap, yes, but that doesn't affect the Iron Man films in the slightest (Howard does affect the IM series, but not because of his link with CA). Odin left the cosmic cube on earth, but that only explains how the Red Skull got it, it doesn't actually change the plot in any significant way (if the cube had been left there by Jay Leno's omnipotent cousin, the movie would've still been the same)[/QUOTE]
Except making it like that would be confusing
I mean yes, chances are that if you've seen the Avengers you've seen the other Marvel movies but Marvel Studios caters to the average movie-goer at the same time. Excluding a large portion of the audience because they haven't seen Thor is just bad business
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