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[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52595548]I feel like every post of Clovis' I've seen has been complaining about the moderators and trying to convince everyone rumor has it everyone hates the new mods
weren't you doing this in this thread a few weeks ago[/QUOTE]
To be honest I've seen pretty similar sentiment being thrown around regarding a few mods, even from people who used to get along with them. the last couple of waves before this seemed to be fairly well received
[QUOTE=Samiam22;52595671]Sure, I can agree that Kiwi's post was clearly a joke, but so was the HookerVomit ban on that 4th link, and I don't doubt for a second that if someone, for example I, decided to call someone a "fucked up degenerate" even in an obviously joking manner, I would be banned.[/QUOTE]
We're playing a game of guessing the context or having lack of
because I approved HookerVomit's ban from becoming a week or perma for what she edited out, and what was seemed to us what was going on, which none of you can see, but if you did it would change a lot.
Speaking from experience from other arenas and platforms, the attitude things usually loosen up after a while. Getting admin for a community I became a no-nonsense asshole for a long time before realizing I was just a member with additional permissions.
I think the new mods needs to keep in mind that they are pretty much that. They also shouldn't be afraid to criticize the rules they themselves enforce, which a lot forget in general.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;52595671]Sure, I can agree that Kiwi's post was clearly a joke, but so was the HookerVomit ban on that 4th link[/QUOTE]
cba responding to the rest, but for that part i don't really agree lol. niney rated hookervomit dumb, hookervomit responded by editing the post to say "fuck you niney you insufferable pleeb", niney replied saying "way to overreact". Nowhere in there is it obvious to us they're just joking but if it really was just a joke between the two of them it could've been cleared up in 2 seconds in the RC. But it wasn't nor did Niney say anything sooo o well
[QUOTE=Samiam22;52595671]Sure, I can agree that Kiwi's post was clearly a joke, but so was the HookerVomit ban on that 4th link, and I don't doubt for a second that if someone, for example I, decided to call someone a "fucked up degenerate" even in an obviously joking manner, I would be banned.[/QUOTE]
hookervomit's post was not a joke and the original context of it had no place in wayt
[QUOTE=Craptasket;52595682]because I approved HookerVomit's ban from becoming a week or perma for what she edited out, and what was seemed to us what was going on, which none of you can see, but if you did it would change a lot.[/QUOTE]
Then understand that it won't do anything to change my perception if I cannot actually [I]see[/I] what is it that would allegedly change my perception. Otherwise, all I have is the word of moderators who I am accusing of overstepping their bounds, and the reply I am getting to that is "No we're not, trust us".
I know that you can completely disregard what I think about mods whatsoever because I can't actually make any impact, but the notion of mods being hypocrites that just do what they want because they are untouchable isn't going to go away when I am told to change my perception rather than actually being given the evidence to change it myself.
Your perception sucks ass and you all seem way too uptight over it
[editline]21st August 2017[/editline]
hows that?
[QUOTE=Craptasket;52595704]Your perception sucks ass and you all seem way too uptight over it
[editline]21st August 2017[/editline]
hows that?[/QUOTE]
That unambiguously proves my point.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;52595709]That unambiguously proves my point.[/QUOTE]
Are you going to screencap that and have people take it out of context?
[QUOTE=Samiam22;52595671]Sure, I can agree that Kiwi's post was clearly a joke, but so was the HookerVomit ban on that 4th link, and I don't doubt for a second that if someone, for example I, decided to call someone a "fucked up degenerate" even in an obviously joking manner, I would be banned.[/QUOTE]
No it wasn't
It's starting to stink in here
He who smelt it, dealt it.
Well, I started this fire, so I may as well fan it, so incoming wall of text on my view of the current mods.
I definitely think there's a general air of moderators basically being able to ban for whatever they want and not necessarily needing to follow their own rules (even at the risk of beating a dead horse, the best example of this is the "hey how's it hanging" debacle, but other things like Jimmema's "anyone who uses bold from this point on will be banned" is also good), and while I know this has pretty much always been the case, it's getting to the point where some bans look really arbitrary. For instance, Oicani Gonzales' recent ban for adding "ree" at the end of his post, which apparently violated the "no memes" rule. The only place you can actually find the "no memes" rule is the tiny little link at the very bottom of the main page that leads to an outdated (it still recommends filesmelt as an image host) list of rules; regarding memes, all it says is "This isn't 4chan. Refrain from posting them here".
Oicani's ban, to me, seems like dogmatically abiding by a rule rather than actually banning someone for a reason. If you actually read his post, it was not about a meme per se. It was him adding three letters at the very end of a much longer post expressing frustration. Him being banned for something no one seems to have cared about or noticed reflects a bit poorly on what a ban should actually be given out for. I think a relatively uncontroversial reason for a ban, in general and for any service, would be because that individual is intentionally worsening the environment in some way, for example by harassing other users or disrupting discussions. I, personally, don't think that Oicani was making things worse for anyone involved by just appending "ree" to the end of his post.
It is reflective of a general lack of clarity of what someone will actually be banned for. It honestly looks like certain users, most especially Judas and HumanAbyss, get banned because the mods don't like them, where others like you-know-who are not banned, despite being hugely disruptive, because of literal favouritism (which I confirmed because I asked Kiwi about it personally). Even with going back to banning for memes, are [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1574809&p=52566839&highlight=#post52566839]here's how Bernie can still win[/url] and [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1561877&p=52566673&highlight=#post52566673]fuck you, it's forever[/url] just not considered bannable memes? What does constitute a bannable meme? Why is a 3-letter word at the end of a post about something else entirely deemed bannable while a post consisting of just "Here's how Bernie can still win" not?
[QUOTE=Clovis;52595715]Well, it sucks. Cause whenever an issue is raised regarding moderation there is never closure. All I've gotten out of the responses are 'well we are mods anyways so deal with it'[/QUOTE]
I'll give you a quickie
- no mods have ban quotas
- new mods often feel like they need to ban everything in sight, its natrual.
- bans are not always clear cut, even if the post and ban reason are the same.
- Bans are still being approved by older mods (almost all examples were approved before hand).
- as things were happening i asked a small sample size of mods if they would have banned kiwi (it was 3/4 nay for ban)
- For unpaid babysitting god forbid one of us fucks up. We really do try considering we're not robots.
[QUOTE=Clovis;52595715]Well, it sucks. Cause whenever an issue is raised regarding moderation there is never closure. All I've gotten out of the responses are 'well we are mods anyways so deal with it'[/QUOTE]
Curious, when was the last time it happened?
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52595260][url]https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=387119[/url]
Enforced title limit[/QUOTE]
kiwi can i get a title that breaks my user page, too
[editline]21st August 2017[/editline]
actually can i get a title that breaks any page that i post on tia
[QUOTE=Clovis;52595691][url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1545045&p=52589568&viewfull=1#post52589568]this guy[/url] seems SOOO serious, man he's literally flaming everyone by saying someone with an opinion is an idiot. this may be bannable cause its a shit post, but this isnt really flaming, its a sarcastic remark. saying people who like halo 5 are idiots is in a different ballpark to calling someone a fucked up degenerate? well yeah, you said it. Calling someone a fucked up degenerate is on a completely different level. But its okay cause it wasn't really serious right? But if you're not a mod, you're banned whether its serious or not. How can moderation be taken seriously when you just break the rules you enforce[/QUOTE]
you're just totally ignoring the context of both posts lol. A guy requested a model, that other guy shoots it down by saying only idiots would want that model or anything else from that game. That's rude as fuck and incomparable to kiwi's silly post. yes kiwi called someone a degenerate, but if you really couldn't tell if Kiwi was being serious or not the fact he's a mod alone should be enough to clue you in. We're not just gonna start flaming people in random threads lol. But even if he wasn't a mod I wouldn't have banned him for that post given what the thread was about and the fact he was replying to someone that was also jokingly having a go at him.
->context matters<-
[QUOTE=Clovis;52595715]Well, it sucks. Cause whenever an issue is raised regarding moderation there is never closure. All I've gotten out of the responses are 'well we are mods anyways so deal with it'[/QUOTE]
it'll be discussed between the mods, like it always is when there's any issues people bring up. and idk what you mean by 'never closure', we've done stuff like reverting mod decisions loads of times. it's just that most of the discussion takes place over mod chat rooms.
Furious discussion happening in mod chat right now, I can guarantee a solution will be brought out.
[QUOTE=Clovis;52595755] Outside of actual appeals ive never seen a moderator admit to a mistake or agree that something thats been called out is actually justified to be called out on.[/QUOTE]
from 4 weeks ago
[QUOTE=icemaz;52493975][QUOTE=jackteam54;52493895]I think the bans were unnecessary as well and it borderlines on entrapment, people noticed that ratings were being changed[/QUOTE]I wanted to give people some room to chill out in, and actually discuss, but I was a bit heavy handed with a few of the bans so I apologise for that![/QUOTE]
:thinking:
do we need a mod court stenographer that releases transcripts of mod action proceedings because i can type fast. my evidence is that i've beaten a couple of levels of typing of the dead on my friend's dreamcast
[QUOTE=Clovis;52595778]How do I know? How am I to believe whatever they're saying is okay just because theyre mod?[/quote]
because again ~context~. he was replying to someone that was having a go at him in a thread largely for silly posts, does it really need further debate that he was also joking around right back at him?
[quote]If anyone who wasnt a mod posted that, they'd probably be banned.[/QUOTE]
maybe by a new mod where it'd then be quickly overturned once other mods saw it and took into account that magical lil thing called context.
*reads people bitching about degeneracy jokes*
*looks at avatars*
*thinks*
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52595807]*reads people bitching about degeneracy jokes*
*looks at avatars*
*thinks*[/QUOTE]
What avatars?
[editline]21st August 2017[/editline]
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so how about that tudd guy eh
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52595835]so how about that tudd guy eh[/QUOTE]
TUDD ANSWER US
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[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52595835]so how about that tudd guy eh[/QUOTE]
who
Just gonna take an opportunity to throw my 5c into the ring about mods banning for shit they do often.
I'm gonna say this: We have how many mods? 15? 20? Something like that? How many users do we have? Lots. So I think its quite fair to say that the mods don't have time to debate each and every case, nor do they have the patience to remain a shining example of good forum etiquette at all times. They make mistakes, and if they became a serious problem, garry would rise from his grave and lay down a pimp slap.
I liked having mods responsible for each section although I guess that's not really practical.
Just wondering, genuine question, at what point are posts considered flaming or jokes? Like in [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1574407&p=52552818&viewfull=1#post52552818"]this post[/URL] (from the RC).
[img]http://i.imgur.com/FsUDKQt.png[/img]
Fruxo's joke got him banned (for 1 week) for flaming a moderator even though Kiwi knew it was a joke. For further context since this in the RC, fruxo was initially banned by icemaz, this post was made in response to Kiwi's unrelated comment.
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