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[QUOTE=Captain;52174359]Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a time when Judas was told to stop making Trump threads for a week (or something) because he posted nothing but that?[/QUOTE]
I didn't know, but a quick google search about a similar discussion brought up this post.
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1549553&p=51705133&viewfull=1#post51705133[/url]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52174324]Is it impossible to avoid and ignore the threads?[/QUOTE]
You could ask the same about bad posting. "Is it impossible to just avoid and ignore [insert anything]?" Of course it's possible to just ignore it... But then you're just allowing shitty posting, and soon enough more shitty posters are gonna come along and that's how you get a shitty forum
The simple solution is to ban all immigration to the US so Tudd has no articles to post
[QUOTE=helpiminabox;52174355]Honestly it seems people don't actually have a problem with agenda pushing, but the agenda that's being pushed. I don't see people being terribly upset by Morgen's Elon Musk/environmentalism news (Sorry for using you as an example).[/QUOTE]
I believe a couple of people have actually called him out on that in the past. Plus he posts Musk stuff much less, at least as far as I've seen, than Tudd does with his stuff. I see only 1-2 Musk threads per week on average with about half of those being from Morgen. Meanwhile I see at least one anti-immigrant thread every couple of days or so with them nearly always being from Tudd.
[url]https://facepunch.com/search.php?do=finduser&userid=465554&starteronly=1&contenttype=vBForum_Thread[/url]
Approximately half of his last 50 created threads, spanning ~2 months, look to involve Tesla or one of Musk's other companies such as SpaceX. Most of these look to be unbiased news though, simply reporting facts with no actual underlying agenda. Considering the demographics of Facepunch I'd actually guess that if Morgen hadn't gotten to them first that a lot of these threads would have ended up being posted regardless.
[QUOTE=Mallow234;52174104]To me it seems like people want to disagree with Tudd out of principle[/QUOTE]
I don't care about Tudd either way (though there is a p brazen double standard between him and say, Judas) but the idea that it's just about his politics is simply dumb. no other far-right or conservative poster has attracted nearly as much flak as Tudd has in the history of FP.
I think you will find the overwhelming majority of my threads use the most moderate of news sources.
If you ban me for what content I post, you essentially are saying I'm posting wrongthink, because the news I post is real.
I also don't push for generalization, but objectiveity in these matters if anything. Sorry if that means I post news that is uncomfortable.
Also going to post it again: I am for legal immigration and see the benefits to it.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52174562]I think you will find the overwhelming majority of my threads use the most moderate of news sources.
If you ban me for what content I post, you essentially are saying I'm posting wrongthink, because the news I post is real.
I also don't push for generalization, but objectiveity in these matters if anything. Sorry if that means I post news that is uncomfortable.
Also going to post it again: I am for legal immigration and see the benefits to it.[/QUOTE]
You did a fantastic job ignoring every point people made in order to victimize yourself. Maybe you'd like to address the fact that out of all the conservative posters on this site (of which there are actually a fair few) you are the only one that causes such controversy? If it's merely a matter of wrongthink as you're claiming then why is it that these other posters don't cause the same controversy as you do?
The issues isn't that you post moderate sources, the issue is that you constantly post articles that are generally anti-immigrant (if if they have little to do with immigration), even if they are true.
The conundrum of this whole situation is that if you look at what Tudd and only Tudd posts, yeah it's pretty messed up that he only posts anti-immigrant stories. But I think the logic that people who want him here are going by is that [I]We Need Tudd[/I]™ because he's the only one who does it and he's the most tolerable person who can be posting it.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;52174612]You did a fantastic job ignoring every point people made in order to victimize yourself. Maybe you'd like to address the fact that out of all the conservative posters on this site (of which there are actually a fair few) you are the only one that causes such controversy? If it's merely a matter of wrongthink as you're claiming then why is it that these other posters don't cause the same controversy as you do?[/QUOTE]
I am a conservative registered republican voter with an NRA membership
party politics are stupid
[QUOTE=Alice3173;52174612]You did a fantastic job ignoring every point people made in order to victimize yourself. Maybe you'd like to address the fact that out of all the conservative posters on this site (of which there are actually a fair few) you are the only one that causes such controversy? If it's merely a matter of wrongthink as you're claiming then why is it that these other posters don't cause the same controversy as you do?[/QUOTE]
You have to only go see Nesto's recent thread on Antifa for this petty call out crap on display again with news that makes people uncomfortable. It happens a lot when a piece of news brings to light a contrary worldview.
And if it really isn't the news that bothers you, but just the fact that I posted it, then great! You don't have to like me, but I recommend you stop with the petty call outs that detract from the news at hand. There are places like here where that is more appropriate.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52174837]You have to only go see Nesto's recent thread on Antifa for this petty call out crap on display again with news that makes people uncomfortable. It happens a lot when a piece of news brings to light a contrary worldview.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't happen very often unless it's you. There's the one time with Nesto (I think that person also had been banned for doing it once before), there's been at least one time with Judas, I think a bit more than that though before they got banned for it, and the aforementioned stuff with Morgen from the previous page. So it's clearly not a partisan issue when it does happen seeing as the only available examples I can think of are pretty neatly separated into two widely disparate groupings.
So the issue is demonstrably [I]not[/I] one of wrongthink thus your victimization at the top of the page is false. So now maybe you can actually address the issues instead of trying to deflect away from them?
[QUOTE=Alice3173;52174864]It doesn't happen very often unless it's you. There's the one time with Nesto (I think that person also had been banned for doing it once before), there's been at least one time with Judas, I think a bit more than that though before they got banned for it, and the aforementioned stuff with Morgen from the previous page. So it's clearly not a partisan issue when it does happen seeing as the only available examples I can think of are pretty neatly separated into two widely disparate groupings.
So the issue is demonstrably [I]not[/I] one of wrongthink thus your victimization at the top of the page is false. So now maybe you can actually address the issues instead of trying to deflect away from them?[/QUOTE]
Quite a few users post garbage from left leaning sources that contribute little news and only serve these same posting patterns you call agendas.
I mean just go look at LLamaguy's thread history. I know I am complaining about it now, but since we're talking about why I'm such a special case, let me point out how there are agenda posters on both sides of the political spectrum, and you don't see me saying llamaguy shouldn't be able to do what he is doing.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52174868]I mean just go look at LLamaguy's thread history. I know I am complaining about it now, but since we're talking about why I'm such a special case, let me point out how there are agenda posters on both sides of the political spectrum, and you don't see me saying llamaguy shouldn't be able to do what he is doing.[/QUOTE]
I would disagree with you on this. I'm not familiar with Llamaguy other than being vaguely aware that they're a user I've seen at some point but I don't think pushing an agenda should be allowed in a section for discussing news.
Pushing an agenda doesn't serve any actual purpose. You're far more likely to accomplish the exact opposite by even doing so unless the general userbase already leans that way to begin with. I can't speak for your example of Llamaguy (being left-leaning myself it'd admittedly be easier for another left-leaning poster who is trying to push an agenda to slip under my radar) but with you in particular it's always very clear. You post an article that seems innocuous but without fail the article inevitably is centered around the fact that some illegal immigrant somewhere did something bad, at times even ignoring the fact that the illegal immigrant wasn't the sole perpetrator and that the others were legal citizens. And you do this with seemingly little regard for any victims as well. Surely you can see why this particular detail would get people up in arms?
[QUOTE=Tudd;52174868]Quite a few users post garbage from left leaning sources that contribute little news and only serve these same posting patterns you call agendas.
I mean just go look at LLamaguy's thread history. I know I am complaining about it now, but since we're talking about why I'm such a special case, let me point out how there are agenda posters on both sides of the political spectrum, and you don't see me saying llamaguy shouldn't be able to do what he is doing.[/QUOTE]
The thing about llamaguy and other "agenda posters" is that they're posting a lot more [I]news[/I] than you are. Updates and statements made by actual officials in government, rather than isolated incidents across the entire USA. There's no conclusions to be drawn from any of the immigration stories you post, it's just "immigrant does bad thing".
[QUOTE=Tudd;52174868]Quite a few users post garbage from left leaning sources that contribute little news and only serve these same posting patterns you call agendas.
I mean just go look at LLamaguy's thread history. I know I am complaining about it now, but since we're talking about why I'm such a special case, let me point out how there are agenda posters on both sides of the political spectrum, and you don't see me saying llamaguy shouldn't be able to do what he is doing.[/QUOTE]
Not that I don't disagree with the idea that plenty of other users use Polidicks/SH as their own personal soapbox but llamaguy is sort of a bad example since most of the threads he makes is shitting on the Democrats.
A better comparison would probably be Judas.
[editline]1st May 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Beetle179;52174938]The thing about llamaguy and other "agenda posters" is that they're posting a lot more [I]news[/I] than you are. Updates and statements made by actual officials in government, rather than isolated incidents across the entire USA. There's no conclusions to be drawn from any of the immigration stories you post, it's just "immigrant does bad thing".[/QUOTE]
And yeah, it's sort of disingenuous to equivocate "President of the United States does X" or "Democratic leadership says Y" with "Illegal immigrant killed someone".
If you want to convince more people to believe your point of view and switch to the right, maybe start posting more positive news about Trump or the Republicans.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52174562]I also don't push for generalization, but objectiveity in these matters if anything.[/QUOTE]
This is particularly funny coming from [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1560835&p=52126020&viewfull=1#post52126020]Tudd "the blacks are genetically predisposed to basketball" Fudders[/url]
"the other guy also sucks" has never been a good excuse for your own actions.
[QUOTE=Beetle179;52174938]The thing about llamaguy and other "agenda posters" is that they're posting a lot more [I]news[/I] than you are. Updates and statements made by actual officials in government, rather than isolated incidents across the entire USA. There's no conclusions to be drawn from any of the immigration stories you post, it's just "immigrant does bad thing".[/QUOTE]
You do realize that speculation and statements from politicians or unnamed official sources is usually more self-serving right? It is very easy to find a host of articles with such statements and string together what seems like an overall consensus that turns out to be completely untrue or utter crap.
Just go look at how much the media focused on unnamed experts or politicians making statements on the Trump/Russia Collusion scandal, and then look at how much were talking about that post-syria chemical attack.
Like, you don't see me posting half the garbage on Fox or from the right leaning sources that delve into this crap. It is also a huge reason why I stay away from these threads because they are rooted on nothing solid.
I just find it utterly hilarious you think that stuff is more actual "news" to you.
[editline]1st May 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Reds;52174985]"the other guy also sucks" has never been a good excuse for your own actions.[/QUOTE]
Hence why I don't care to make it usually, but it has to be said if were going to argue I should be banned on how I post rather than me breaking an actual rule.
I find it hilarious that people keep getting banned for tuddposting.
I don't endorse or discourage his actions no matter how subtle they are but why is it so hard to follow the advice of the mods?
[QUOTE=Paramud;52174969]This is particularly funny coming from [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1560835&p=52126020&viewfull=1#post52126020]Tudd "the blacks are genetically predisposed to basketball" Fudders[/url][/QUOTE]
And ironically if you read the post, it is me clarifying an objective position on the issue, not generalizing at all.
Also scientists and studies support my position so have fun reconciling with that.
Can we have an OEmbed tag?
[QUOTE=Tudd;52174994]You do realize that speculation and statements from politicians or unnamed official sources is usually more self-serving right? It is very easy to find a host of articles with such statements and string together what seems like an overall consensus that turns out to be completely untrue or utter crap.
Just go look at how much the media focused on unnamed experts or politicians making statements on the Trump/Russia Collusion scandal, and then look at how much were talking about that post-syria chemical attack.
Like, you don't see me posting half the garbage on Fox or from the right leaning sources that delve into this crap. It is also a huge reason why I stay away from these threads because they are rooted on nothing solid.
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I just find it utterly hilarious you think that stuff is more actual "news" to you.[/B]
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News doesn't stop being news when it's critical of your favorite politician, friend.
[editline]2nd May 2017[/editline]
Just out of curiosity I went through Llamaguy's threads and the vast, vast majority of them are literally "Trump says X" or "Trump affiliate says Y" or "Sanders says Z" so I don't know where you are getting
[QUOTE]an overall consensus that turns out to be completely untrue or utter crap [/QUOTE]
or
[QUOTE]rooted in nothing solid[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tudd;52174994]You do realize that speculation and statements from politicians or unnamed official sources is usually more self-serving right? It is very easy to find a host of articles with such statements and string together what seems like an overall consensus that turns out to be completely untrue or utter crap.
Just go look at how much the media focused on unnamed experts or politicians making statements on the Trump/Russia Collusion scandal, and then look at how much were talking about that post-syria chemical attack.
Like, you don't see me posting half the garbage on Fox or from the right leaning sources that delve into this crap. It is also a huge reason why I stay away from these threads because they are rooted on nothing solid.
I just find it utterly hilarious you think that stuff is more actual "news" to you.
[editline]1st May 2017[/editline]
Hence why I don't care to make it usually, but it has to be said if were going to argue I should be banned on how I post rather than me breaking an actual rule.[/QUOTE]
Hey Tudd, you may not get it, but with the way things are in American politics right now, making an anonymous statement about how things are looking bad is the only way people can save themselves from becoming victims of El Naranja Grande and his bought and paid for minions. I don't know about you, but people have to weigh the consequences of needing to do something for the sake of the truth and better governance, versus losing their jobs and being blacklisted from government service too. Have you seen how many people are being fired simply for disagreeing with the incumbent and his government, and is this not even a little alarming to you?
On that note, don't forget that nobody needs to post false news about Trump because the majority of what gets posted is tweets he actually made, things he or his government have actually said, and terrible things they have actually done. Some of it might be rooted in sensationalism thanks to the news houses themselves, but the majority has come from reliable sources like BBC, CNN, Reuters, and other such news houses. As far as I've seen, only the Independent and sometimes CNN have exaggerated their claims occasionally, and nowhere near as partisan as trash like Fox, Breitbart, and Infowars have.
Simply pretending that news isn't news just because they're being critical of the buffoon Trump isn't going to do any good.
Tudd this, Tudd that. When are you bringing back the Facewound section?
Meh. Just ignore Tudd's threads and he'll eventually go away, guys. It's certainly made everything much easier for me.
I forgot to bring this up, but why do moderator[del]s[/del] want people to make a Tudd thread? Isn't that just a little too much, and is here a bad place for it?
i thought this [I]was[/I] the tudd thread???
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52175743]Meh. Just ignore Tudd's threads and he'll eventually go away, guys. It's certainly made everything much easier for me.[/QUOTE]
The problem with this approach is that it allows the agenda to slowly accumulate drips and drops of recruits, and eventually it becomes big enough to push forward a giant orange president.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52175729]Tudd this, Tudd that. When are you bringing back the Facewound section?[/QUOTE]Arc asking the real, hard-hitting questions that affect real people. The people demand an answer Garry!
[QUOTE=Paramud;52176030]The problem with this approach is that it allows the agenda to slowly accumulate drips and drops of recruits, and eventually it becomes big enough to push forward a giant orange president.[/QUOTE]
But this is a forum. And its clear that nobody is convinced of Tudds shite.
Im just saying that imo hes doing it for attention.
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