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[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;52175719]Hey Tudd, you may not get it, but with the way things are in American politics right now, making an anonymous statement about how things are looking bad is the only way people can save themselves from becoming victims of El Naranja Grande and his bought and paid for minions. I don't know about you, but people have to weigh the consequences of needing to do something for the sake of the truth and better governance, versus losing their jobs and being blacklisted from government service too. Have you seen how many people are being fired simply for disagreeing with the incumbent and his government, and is this not even a little alarming to you? On that note, don't forget that nobody needs to post false news about Trump because the majority of what gets posted is tweets he actually made, things he or his government have actually said, and terrible things they have actually done. Some of it might be rooted in sensationalism thanks to the news houses themselves, but the majority has come from reliable sources like BBC, CNN, Reuters, and other such news houses. As far as I've seen, only the Independent and sometimes CNN have exaggerated their claims occasionally, and nowhere near as partisan as trash like Fox, Breitbart, and Infowars have. Simply pretending that news isn't news just because they're being critical of the buffoon Trump isn't going to do any good.[/QUOTE] Oh I still stay aware of it, but I don't really take note or seriously articles that have some unnamed source saying they can't turn on a light switch. That and most of the things are just pushed to exaggerated levels of outcry, but I don't ignore any of it. Coming on here means I get a front row show, and atleast it isn't as bad as /politics on reddit. [editline]2nd May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;52175361] Just out of curiosity I went through Llamaguy's threads and the vast, vast majority of them are literally "Trump says X" or "Trump affiliate says Y" or "Sanders says Z" so I don't know where you are getting [/QUOTE] That is still kind of what I am getting at though. Alot of it is statements that we have to interpret for ourselves or officials commenting on a situation. Which is fine and is news by definition, but it is very subjective on how people react to those statements. I just think it is funny someone thinks that is more news than a event that has hard facts behind it. They are both news, but compare the one about a murder that undeniably happened, to what an unnamed official might have to say on white house administration, with no proof but his word, is hilarious to me. I hope that is understandable to a certain degree when put like that.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52173288]I don't mean to keep harping on about Tudd (this is the first time I've really brought it up) but in the past haven't users been warned to diversify/eventually banned for posting only articles that push a specific agenda? Rayhalo comes to mind first but there were other, less hilarious examples. If Tudd wants to keep posting exclusively news about immigrants committing crimes, I don't see why [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1562368&p=52173250&viewfull=1#post52173250"]other users should be banned for questioning his obvious agenda in doing so[/URL] when he seems to be exempt from the agenda-pushing rule.[/QUOTE] I don't have any knowledge of people being banned for posting articles that push a specific agenda. That is really stupid and I would not condone such behaviour. Users are being banned because they're derailing threads. It's a debate section. If you don't have any constructive to say, then do not post. Simple as that. I would like to remind everybody that the ignore function exists and strongly encourage them to use it if their skin is so thin that they get upset about such trivial things. [QUOTE=Waffle cones.;52173938]shitposting is ok if you're conservative we need to stop SH from being a liberal circlejerk :^)[/QUOTE] If Tudd was shit posting, he would have been banned by now. He's sharing his views, if you don't like them then don't read them. It really is as simple as that. [QUOTE=Grenadiac;52173974]Aside from the threats made with RAYHALO I can't think of any specific users. Sorry, there are thousands of posters on FP and I'm involved in enough subcommunities that I have to keep track of a lot of them, so it's tough to call up specific names from years past. They were pretty much massive retards across the board though.[/QUOTE] So the answer is really "nobody" [QUOTE=Alice3173;52174220]I think the reason Tudd continues to be so controversial is specifically because the mods are fairly blatantly favoring him and refusing to deal with the problem, instead opting to ban anyone calling Tudd out on his bullshit which only causes people who oppose Tudd to become more enraged and prone to causing problems. And also causing people who would otherwise just ignore Tudd, such as myself, to actually speak out against him because it's really getting tiring to see.[/QUOTE] We're not favouring anybody. We carry out our duties with fairness and impartiality, or at least aspire to. Tudd isn't breaking any rules and contributes a great deal to SH. I would even wager if it wasn't for Tudd, SH would be a lot less active than it is now. Funny thing about debate sections is that they need opposing views otherwise it's not really a debate, is it? People get banned because they're derailing threads and not responding constructively. By all means, call Tudd out on his apparent "bullshit" but do it in a manner that is appropriate for that section. As for your point about how people "become more enraged", that is their problem. Again, I would like to point out that the ignore function exists. If people cannot read an internet forum without becoming "more enraged and prone to causing problems" then in my humble opinion, they should re-evaluate their lives. We're not catering to children, this isn't Club Penguin or Habbo Hotel. Grow up or get out. [QUOTE=Alice3173;52174295]No, the source is his blatant agenda pushing. Do you think if he was posting all sorts of threads and some of them just happened to involve illegal immigrants, for example, that people would be getting so up in arms over his threads? No. Because it's his blatant (and admitted) agenda pushing that's the problem. If he quit that shit then the issue would go away because [I]that[/I] is the source of the problem. And either way the mods are here to keep the peace. Clearly their methods are failing to keep the peace so rather than trying to bullheadedly continue handling the problem the way they currently are they should try something different that might actually work.[/QUOTE] You are right, we are here to keep the peace. When have you seen Tudd lose it? I think I've banned him a grand total of one time for flaming. On the other hand, when have you seen people get banned for being rude, disrespectful and abusive towards him? We are keeping the peace. Tudd isn't the problem. People who cannot control themselves are the problem. [QUOTE=Alice3173;52174338]That's just ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away. Why, if someone is causing problems, should the mods not deal with said problem? They're clearly able and willing to take care of the symptoms of the problem so why not the problem itself?[/QUOTE] You keep regarding Tudd as a "problem". Do you know who else made similar determinations? Hitler. He thought the Jews were a problem. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6PRyiBt.jpg[/IMG]
Yeah. If I can't remember their names, they never existed. That sure makes FP a small place.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52176271]Yeah. If I can't remember their names, they never existed. That sure makes FP a small place.[/QUOTE] That's Hezzy's goto answer any time someone doesn't happen to obsessively log every thing they might ever reference in the future in a debate or discussion.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;52176281]That's Hezzy's goto answer any time someone doesn't happen to obsessively log every thing they might ever reference in the future in a debate or discussion.[/QUOTE] We live in the age of information where everything is already obsessively logged and archived. It isn't hard to find things if you're wanting to make a point.
Why is it so hard to just not look at his threads
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52176290]Why is it so hard to just not look at his threads[/QUOTE] because not clicking on his threads or just ignoring him is too hard for some people need to get angry about something after all
[QUOTE=Hezzy;52176286]We live in the age of information where everything is already obsessively logged and archived. It isn't hard to find things if you're wanting to make a point.[/QUOTE] We're talking about digging up individual posts where a user was warned to diversify their threads in SH from years past. I don't know of any logging function in VB that tracks such warnings.
[QUOTE=Hezzy;52176286]We live in the age of information where everything is already obsessively logged and archived. It isn't hard to find things if you're wanting to make a point.[/QUOTE] I don't know if you've gone and tried searching for something that doesn't have exact terms but it's not exactly half as easy as you're making it out to be. At the very least it would be an enormous time sink. [editline]2nd May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52176290]Why is it so hard to just not look at his threads[/QUOTE] Have you read the past couple pages of discussion? Cause people have addressed that idea.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52176290]Why is it so hard to just not look at his threads[/QUOTE] because I'm starting to get repetitive strain injury in my eyes for every time I roll my eyes after seeing one of Tudd's threads
[QUOTE=Alice3173;52176294]I don't know if you've gone and tried searching for something that doesn't have exact terms but it's not exactly half as easy as you're making it out to be. At the very least it would be an enormous time sink.[/QUOTE] Maybe long enough to notice that putting that much effort to go after a user you will never meet on a forum is kinda fuckin petty
[QUOTE=The Genie;52176349]It feels like people just wanted Tudd banned by acclamation and, to me at least, that seems like it would set a dangerous precedent.[/QUOTE] I don't want Tudd banned. Repeating over and over that you [I]feel[/I] like I do isn't going to make it the case.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52176381]I don't want Tudd banned. Repeating over and over that you [I]feel[/I] like I do isn't going to make it the case.[/QUOTE] Notice how he didn't mention you at all in his post
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52176383]Notice how he didn't mention you at all in his post[/QUOTE] We're only on this topic because [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1561877&p=52173312&viewfull=1#post52173312]I brought up making Tudd diversify his news selection[/url], which is what was being discussed, not banning Tudd. Nobody wants Tudd banned. Stop victimizing him.
I'm not victimizing him. I just think it's really annoying and kinda lame that people can't just not go into the thread. It's really not difficult [editline]2nd May 2017[/editline] if you disagree with him so much just debate him don't try to make him stop posting things. It's not spam and no rules are being broken. If you don't like the threads he makes, find articles that dispute his side. It's really not hard
Before I get to the main point of my argument, [QUOTE=Hezzy;52176256] Tudd isn't breaking any rules and contributes a great deal to SH. I would even wager if it wasn't for Tudd, SH would be a lot less active than it is now.[I] Funny thing about debate sections is that they need opposing views otherwise it's not really a debate, is it?[/I] [/QUOTE] That's not how debates work. I promise you, I can make a very active thread on SH if I go in there and claim that climate change inst real. having people be contrarian just for the sake of it doesn't make it a good debate, It just results in one side trying to establish facts whilst the others ignore it. What DOES make debates work is when both sides make constructive posts (and yes, single liner posts accusing tudd of something do not fall under this category, something you said which I agree with). Anyways, We know that tudd hasnt [I]technically [/I]broken any rules. To be fair, hes by far not the first to often debate poorly (as in, lacking evidence to his points) or hold some bias (everyone has them, myself included). People are annoyed because tudd clearly breaks the "spirit" of the rules. Failing to defend donald trump in all the threads of trump failing as a president (ill just point out trump's historic low approval rating, I have no intention in bring politics here, if you wish to debate, go to SH of PD), tudd now pretty much sticks to posting threads of "refugee/immigrant does something bad" and avoids threads where his views may be challenged (admitably he spruced things up a bit recently, still a big pattern though). Again, Tudd was not, is not, and will not be the only person to do this. Tudd was just the first to become a meme, for some reason. Please understand that in todays world, with rising ethnic and political tensions, where LGBT rights , abortion rights, and rights in general seem to be under threat, SH and PH are going to be damn heated, and that those people really dislike underhanded debate tactics. It really seems like you are just blowing it off or don't understand this (though I could be wrong) when you make posts like this. As for: [QUOTE=Hezzy;52176256] You keep regarding Tudd as a "problem". Do you know who else made similar determinations? Hitler. He thought the Jews were a problem. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6PRyiBt.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Did you really make such a dumb joke within the same post telling others not to make dumb posts? I find this weekly discussion about tudd in GD annoying as well, but really now. Tl;Dr: One liner snipers against tudd (or anyone) should remain bannable, but tudd isnt a repressed conservative guy on FP, he just can't argue fairly
[QUOTE=Hezzy;52176256]Tudd isn't breaking any rules and contributes a great deal to SH. I would even wager if it wasn't for Tudd, SH would be a lot less active than it is now. Funny thing about debate sections is that they need opposing views otherwise it's not really a debate, is it?[/QUOTE] Tudd is an extremely poor debater and he rarely presents any argument backing up his racist sentiments in the threads he posts. People have debunked or refuted all of his ideas time and time again so there's no point "debating" him anymore when he's mastered the art of selectively ignoring anyone he knows he can't beat, and relentlessly circlejerking anyone who agrees with him. So you're right, it's not really a debate, but that's because Tudd is often the only one representing his perspective and he refuses to bring anything new to the table after having been served so many times.
Tudd is an awful poster who makes terrible posts and can't debate to save his life but he doesn't go and do things like give up and tell people to go fuck themselves and that's the only part that matters as far as bans go.
I still maintain my belief that tudd is actually an account abandoned long ago by its user and is now being puppetted by postal to mess with the users and other mods /s
The biggest problem I see is that some people here are easily baited and IMO Tudd has found a way to word what he says to where he can bait but claim he isn't so he can get away with not being banned. While at the same time being able to share what he thinks. And it adds fuel to the fire when some people are told to stop posting certain types of threads when Tudd is allowed to keep posting "Hey look at how bad Illegal Immigrants and Democrats are" threads nonstop.
Hi, since we're supposed to just ignore tudd, but ignoring in vB does practically nothing, I'd like to drop a [URL="https://github.com/lordhomogay/FP-Fixer/blob/master/fp-fixer.user.js"]link to a script[/URL] I made that fixes that. [t]http://horobox.co.uk/u/X3SGwG.png[/t] [t]http://horobox.co.uk/u/dxrCd.png[/t] [vid]http://horobox.co.uk/u/Ult55M.webm[/vid] note: this script does not block tudd. it scrapes your ignore list, and uses anyone found on it. It does not single out any one specific user.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52176523]Hi, since we're supposed to just ignore tudd, but ignoring in vB does practically nothing, I'd like to drop a [URL="https://github.com/lordhomogay/FP-Fixer/blob/master/fp-fixer.user.js"]link to a script[/URL] I made that fixes that. [t]http://horobox.co.uk/u/X3SGwG.png[/t] [t]http://horobox.co.uk/u/dxrCd.png[/t] [vid]http://horobox.co.uk/u/Ult55M.webm[/vid] note: this script does not block tudd. it scrapes your ignore list, and uses anyone found on it. It does not single out any one specific user.[/QUOTE] Thank god people don't have to see (or barely see) such abhorrent threads like explosions happening in Toronto from bad sewage piping. :v: If my opinions or threads really cause you so much mental anguish that you have to put me on an ignore list, wait till you go out into the real world and meet someone who truly is full conservative.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52176523]Hi, since we're supposed to just ignore tudd, but ignoring in vB does practically nothing, I'd like to drop a [URL="https://github.com/lordhomogay/FP-Fixer/blob/master/fp-fixer.user.js"]link to a script[/URL] I made that fixes that. note: this script does not block tudd. it scrapes your ignore list, and uses anyone found on it. It does not single out any one specific user.[/QUOTE] All this does is that it just fades out the posts half way, it's pretty much the same going by the pictures would be better if it actually just completely removes the posts/threads
[QUOTE=Tudd;52176562]Thank god people don't have to see (or barely see) such abhorrent threads like explosions happening in Toronto from bad sewage piping. :v: If my [B]opinions [/B]or threads really cause you so much mental anguish that you have to put me on an ignore list, wait till you go out into the real world and meet someone who truly is full conservative.[/QUOTE] case in point. multiple posts before yours were about its how you cannot argue at all that is annoying, not whatever opinions you hold. guess what? you arent the only "alt right" or conservative or whatever guy on facepunch. Yet you are the only one who creates this attention. Its not about what views you hold, it is that you refuse to debate honestly
[QUOTE=Tudd;52176562] If my opinions or threads really cause you so much mental anguish that you have to put me on an ignore list, wait till you go out into the real world and meet someone who truly is full conservative.[/QUOTE] Tudd is a set of training wheels, preparing people for the big bad world of the internet. He's like a vaccine, give people a small enough dose of alt right (alt light if you will) and they'll be put off of it forever. The problem with your threads Tudd, is they invariably try to create a misleading narrative to push an agenda (the same agenda which often uses tragic events for its own gain). It's tiresome mostly.
Oh hey 100 new posts did someone find something bi- Oh.
[QUOTE=Beetle179;52176478]Tudd is an extremely poor debater and he rarely presents any argument backing up his racist sentiments in the threads he posts. People have debunked or refuted all of his ideas time and time again so there's no point "debating" him anymore when he's mastered the art of selectively ignoring anyone he knows he can't beat, and relentlessly circlejerking anyone who agrees with him. So you're right, it's not really a debate, but that's because Tudd is often the only one representing his perspective and he refuses to bring anything new to the table after having been served so many times.[/QUOTE] How'd tudd racist? He's a little bit of a silly billy on quite a few issues but i wouldn't call him racist. Hell that's what does make him better than a lot of the other trump posters that come and get banned
[QUOTE=Reagy;52176588]Oh hey 100 new posts did someone find something bi- Oh.[/QUOTE] Tudd discussion v2. 1
[QUOTE=da space core;52176583]case in point. multiple posts before yours were about its how you cannot argue at all that is annoying, not whatever opinions you hold. guess what? you arent the only "alt right" or conservative or whatever guy on facepunch. Yet you are the only one who creates this attention. Its not about what views you hold, it is that you refuse to debate honestly[/QUOTE] Call my debating horrible all you want, but I think most users I debate with are pretty awful in general with few exceptions, so that is a two way street. Either way, I ain't calling for them to be banned, but just accept it as part of an internet forum thing. And yes I do hold debates until they reach a certain amount of toxicity. Just go look at the transphobic bus thread, and see the same users saying I don't debate, telling me to stop arguing my points. Alot of the times I engage in a debate, but have to answer the same question or get multiple users asking the same thing in various different ways, so I have to pick and choose one person to reply to and try to be comprehensive in my answer. I am ignoring certain users for sure (mostly cause their replies/questions are the most pointless), but it usually to keep my sanity since the volume of replies I get are pretty high compared to your average user. And yes while I am not the only conservative guy, I don't exactly get the luxury of many people supporting my arguments or getting to let someone else take the reins when I rather tap out for abit. I am also not alt-right. I think center right is my current orientation, but I don't identify as Alt-right. Anyone who is truly part of the alt-right as the media portrays it believes in racial identity being the biggest factor for their political views, and I simply do not believe in that. If the green frog avatar makes you think that is official membership, then I will tell you that you are wrong.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52176613]Call my debating horrible all you want, but I think most users I debate with are pretty awful in general with few exceptions, so that is a two way street. Either way, I ain't calling for them to be banned, but just accept it as part of an internet forum thing. And yes I do hold debates until they reach a certain amount of toxicity. Just go look at the transphobic bus thread, and see the same users saying I don't debate, telling me to stop arguing my points. Alot of the times I engage in a debate, but have to answer the same question or get multiple users asking the same thing in various different ways, so I have to pick and choose one person to reply to and try to be comprehensive in my answer. I am ignoring certain users for sure (mostly cause their replies/questions are the most pointless), but it usually to keep my sanity since the volume of replies I get are pretty high. I am also not alt-right. [B]I think center right is my current orientation[/B], but I don't identify as Alt-right. Anyone who is truly part of the alt-right as the media portrays it [B]believes in racial identity[/B] being the biggest factor for their political views, and I simply do not believe in that. If the green frog avatar makes you think that is official membership, then I will tell you that you are wrong.[/QUOTE] I don't see how you can call yourself centre in the slightest. I'm not trying to be mean here; I see you actively, actively supporting Donald Trump - who is no-where near the even the American centre, which is fairly right of the rest of the Western World. And what does believing in ""racial identity"" even mean? I think it'd be great if you named those who you think are awful debaters myself.
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