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[QUOTE=Talvy;52177784]Why can't I edit this one post? [T]http://i.imgur.com/MAAMaon.jpg[/T][/QUOTE] Because that's the rules of sponsored spam bots, you can edit it later today
So everything from page 2 onward has such delay? That's oddly specific. [editline]edit[/editline] My previous post there didn't have it.
[QUOTE=Talvy;52177922]So everything from page 2 onward has such delay? That's oddly specific.[/QUOTE] I don't think that's exactly it, but I won't say it's far off I'm thinking it's a time delay
Guys, I think were getting offtopic here... So how do we deal with the Tudd problem?
[QUOTE=Mr.Goodcat;52178196]Guys, I think were getting offtopic here... So how do we deal with the Tudd problem?[/QUOTE] Who's he blackmailing? We have to protect them if we're gonna get to Tudd.
Disclaimer: I don't care about Tudd one way or the other. He doesn't do anything others haven't done, so I don't think he should be banned, but I can see why he gets the reaction he gets. [QUOTE=Hezzy;52176256] Users are being banned because they're derailing threads. It's a debate section. If you don't have any constructive to say, then do not post. Simple as that. I would like to remind everybody that the ignore function exists and strongly encourage them to use it if their skin is so thin that they get upset about such trivial things.[/QUOTE] I don't think people are upset by the news he posts. I'm just guessing though. I could be wrong. [QUOTE=Hezzy;52176256]If Tudd was shit posting, he would have been banned by now. He's sharing his views, if you don't like them then don't read them. It really is as simple as that.[/QUOTE] As far as I can tell "shitposting" is more or less moderator discretion and since you think he is the MVP of SH the of course he isn't shitposting. Also the fact that you banned the guy who responded to someone posting an image macro for "shitposting", coincidently after he made a post you might find upsetting, makes me wary about what you yourself consider shitposting. [QUOTE=Hezzy;52176256]We're not favouring anybody. We carry out our duties with fairness and impartiality, or at least aspire to.[/QUOTE] Didn't you ban someone for flaming Trump. [QUOTE=Hezzy;52176256]Tudd isn't breaking any rules and contributes a great deal to SH. I would even wager if it wasn't for Tudd, SH would be a lot less active than it is now. Funny thing about debate sections is that they need opposing views otherwise it's not really a debate, is it?[/QUOTE] He contributes no more nor less than Judas does but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you disagree. Also I think the rub is that people don't get the impression that Tudd wants to talk about "opposing views" and really just wants to preach. Which is fair, people have been doing that for a long time on FP, but I think people have a limit for cynicism that Tudd breaches with practically every thread he posts. When someone who otherwise doesn't give a wit for local murders or assaults starts posting consecutive threads about someone who was killed or assaulted by an illegal immigrant, the impression other people get is that he is using the tragedy to leverage political influence. There is no opposing viewpoints in those threads. No one says illegal immigration is great. No one says murder and rape are great. Then you have to consider the tacit implication of a lot of his posts is that it is his burden to educate the leftist sheep of FP and you can start to understand why he gets an unprecedented level of flak. [QUOTE=Hezzy;52176256]People get banned because they're derailing threads and not responding constructively. By all means, call Tudd out on his apparent "bullshit" but do it in a manner that is appropriate for that section.[/QUOTE] What is the "matter appropriate for that section" because the rules change constantly. First no one was banned for "callouts". This was the way things were for kinda forever. Then a handful of posters wrote checks they couldn't cash when evangalizing the benefits of Trump and people rightfully wanted answers when he inevitably about-faced. This started happening so often that ya'll had to start banning for it. And while I think it's unnecessary (particularly if you are going to have the opinion that there are certain sanctified subforums that everyone should be serious about their convictions in) I can understand how some could see it as derailing. Whatever. But now people are being banned for callouts [I]in threads that Tudd has posted[/I]. Is it ok if you "call out Tudd's bullshit" and then explain why whatever he posted is wrong? [QUOTE=Hezzy;52176256]If people cannot read an internet forum without becoming "more enraged and prone to causing problems" then in my humble opinion, they should re-evaluate their lives. We're not catering to children, this isn't Club Penguin or Habbo Hotel. Grow up or get out.[/QUOTE] Wait I thought we divided up SH and Politics* because things were getting too serious. Now you want people to be super serious responsible debaters? I'm gettin some mixed messages here Hezzy. *I'd also like to take this time to say "told you so" regarding the whole split. [QUOTE=Hezzy;52176256]You are right, we are here to keep the peace. When have you seen Tudd lose it? I think I've banned him a grand total of one time for flaming. On the other hand, when have you seen people get banned for being rude, disrespectful and abusive towards him?[/QUOTE] A couple, who are rightfully banned for flaming or trolling. As for disrespect, is it disrespectful to assume the people you are talking to are thin skinned sheep who can't think for themselves? Because I know atleast one person who should be banned, were that the case. [QUOTE=Hezzy;52176256]We are keeping the peace. Tudd isn't the problem. People who cannot control themselves are the problem. [/QUOTE] I don't think Tudd is a problem, but other people are explicitly not the problem if this kind of drama is only occurring now that Tudd is proselytizing. I really can't help but notice that out of all the people you replied to you didn't touch the several replies touching on the fact that no one, not even farther right posters than Tudd, has seen this sort of pushback. [QUOTE=Hezzy;52176286]We live in the age of information where everything is already obsessively logged and archived. It isn't hard to find things if you're wanting to make a point.[/QUOTE] The search feature is really bad. I've had trouble finding posts made by someone just a week back if they post regularly. tl;dr Tudd is fine, but this bizarre cycle of victimization and hero worship needs to stop if you want to seem even somewhat impartial.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52177197]Yeah big avatars are a cancer to mobile users such as myself.[/QUOTE] It's not a problem with the unofficial app, unless you mean file size
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52178742]I'd rather not input code or download unofficial aps just because someone decides to have a huge or lewd avatar. Ignore list, as others have said, is easy and cross-device. But, none of those fix the source of the issue.[/QUOTE] I recommend the app over the browser version without Tudds avatar being a issue
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52178788]Oh, that good, huh? I may try it one day, but I'm pretty happy with using chrome on my phone.[/QUOTE] It had notification support Then cloudflare returned
[QUOTE=Mr.Goodcat;52178196]Guys, I think were getting offtopic here... So how do we deal with the Tudd problem?[/QUOTE] By not caring about what he posts and moving on. You know why Tudd is a problem? Because people allow themselves to get worked up over what he posts. This is an Internet Forum. You literally all have the option to just not read what he posts, and if you are that adamant about it there's a nice little feature called "Add to Ignore List" on the forum that lets you never see Tudd or any of his posts again.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52179579]By not caring about what he posts and moving on. You know why Tudd is a problem? Because people allow themselves to get worked up over what he posts. This is an Internet Forum. You literally all have the option to just not read what he posts, and if you are that adamant about it there's a nice little feature called "Add to Ignore List" on the forum that lets you never see Tudd or any of his posts again.[/QUOTE] "hey mods someone keeps posting goat porn all over the place" "literally just don't look at the goat porn, it's so easy" also, everyone has said this like thirty times, the ignore list isn't a solution because it doesn't work on threads and it doesn't really even hide anything, it just changes the post to "THIS PERSON IS ON YOUR IGNORE LIST"
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;52179596]"hey mods someone keeps posting goat porn all over the place" "literally just don't look at the goat porn, it's so easy" also, everyone has said this like thirty times, the ignore list isn't a solution because it doesn't work on threads and it doesn't really even hide anything, it just changes the post to "THIS PERSON IS ON YOUR IGNORE LIST"[/QUOTE] That must be how Sweb ended up liking goats on FB.
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;52179596]"hey mods someone keeps posting goat porn all over the place" "literally just don't look at the goat porn, it's so easy" also, everyone has said this like thirty times, the ignore list isn't a solution because it doesn't work on threads and it doesn't really even hide anything, it just changes the post to "THIS PERSON IS ON YOUR IGNORE LIST"[/QUOTE] But I have never posted Goat Porn. That be against the rules.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52179624]But I have never posted Goat Porn. That be against the rules.[/QUOTE] maybe you should start
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;52179596]"hey mods someone keeps posting goat porn all over the place" "literally just don't look at the goat porn, it's so easy" also, everyone has said this like thirty times, the ignore list isn't a solution because it doesn't work on threads and it doesn't really even hide anything, it just changes the post to "THIS PERSON IS ON YOUR IGNORE LIST"[/QUOTE] well this comparison between Tudd's posts and goat porn has left me more than amused
[QUOTE=Tudd;52179624]But I have never posted Goat Porn. That be against the rules.[/QUOTE] Lawrence Kohlberg would like to have a word with you.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52179624]But I have never posted Goat Porn. That be against the rules.[/QUOTE] Actually no, you can post goat porn where goat porn would be allowed. Like a goat porn thread, or just oify in general. Porn isn't fully prohibited, but it needs to be on topic Everyone would think you're a sicko though Hit me up with '2' porn threads in the oify
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;52179596]"hey mods someone keeps posting goat porn all over the place" "literally just don't look at the goat porn, it's so easy" also, everyone has said this like thirty times, the ignore list isn't a solution because it doesn't work on threads and it doesn't really even hide anything, it just changes the post to "THIS PERSON IS ON YOUR IGNORE LIST"[/QUOTE] There's a difference between goat porn and things you don't agree with, if I some how need to explain that please let me know. I don't agree with Tudd on many things, but what he's doing also isn't against the rules. So what are we to do? Lets say we could ban him, I'm sure everyone on the forum will be happy and sleep well at night knowing that they finally got some "justice" on [b]AN ONLINE FORUM[/b]. It sets a good precedence too, because now we would have the grounds to ban anyone who posts anything that goes against what the majority of facepunch thinks. That way no one has to see any opposing opinions or face someone who challenges their own. You all could argue his opinion, posting relevant and concise information supporting your own view so that other members can see why you disagree with his posts and argue your position. Of course everyone has a different opinion as to how well Tudd rebuts such disagreement, so whether or not that's worth the effort is entirely up to you. You all could just not respond. The only reason why he keeps coming up is because people keep posting in his threads, keep talking about him, and rant about how he's a problem. The only reason why people keep getting banned in his threads is because they can't respond like an adult. The sensationalism surrounding him was created by [b]YOU ALL[/b], and rather than let it die off like any other thing you've kept the circle jerk going. Once again, we're not going to ban people for having shit opinions. If you think Trump is a Nazi great, so long as you can post about it eloquently be my guest. If you think Hilary is a war monger more power to ya, just follow the rules and you'll be fine. If you think global warming is a hoax fantastic, so long as you can support it with some non-tabloid source be my guest. We're not the hurt feelings police, we're not going to pretend we're morally superior, and we're not going to ban people for shit opinions. (unless that opinion is "pedophilia is great" because then we will ban you because this is a forum filled with kids and that's creepy)
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;52179596]the ignore list isn't a solution because it doesn't work on threads and it doesn't really even hide anything, it just changes the post to "THIS PERSON IS ON YOUR IGNORE LIST"[/QUOTE] so really you're just getting mad over the fact that Tudd posts on facepunch ???
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;52179596]"hey mods someone keeps posting goat porn all over the place" "literally just don't look at the goat porn, it's so easy" also, everyone has said this like thirty times, the ignore list isn't a solution because it doesn't work on threads and it doesn't really even hide anything, it just changes the post to "THIS PERSON IS ON YOUR IGNORE LIST"[/QUOTE] It's a bit like going into the goat porn thread and complaining about the goat porn Also humans process images way faster than text so it isn't a fair comparison. It be more like complaining about goat erotica when you know you see the giant ass frog avatar that you can just not read it. Or use the ignore list. Goat erotica is easier to ignore than goat porn images
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52179722]There's a difference between goat porn and things you don't agree with, if I some how need to explain that please let me know. I don't agree with Tudd on many things, but what he's doing also isn't against the rules. So what are we to do? Lets say we could ban him, I'm sure everyone on the forum will be happy and sleep well at night knowing that they finally got some "justice" on [b]AN ONLINE FORUM[/b]. It sets a good precedence too, because now we would have the grounds to ban anyone who posts anything that goes against what the majority of facepunch thinks. That way no one has to see any opposing opinions or face someone who challenges their own. You all could argue his opinion, posting relevant and concise information supporting your own view so that other members can see why you disagree with his posts and argue your position. Of course everyone has a different opinion as to how well Tudd rebuts such disagreement, so whether or not that's worth the effort is entirely up to you. You all could just not respond. The only reason why he keeps coming up is because people keep posting in his threads, keep talking about him, and rant about how he's a problem. The only reason why people keep getting banned in his threads is because they can't respond like an adult. The sensationalism surrounding him was created by [b]YOU ALL[/b], and rather than let it die off like any other thing you've kept the circle jerk going. Once again, we're not going to ban people for having shit opinions. If you think Trump is a Nazi great, so long as you can post about it eloquently be my guest. If you think Hilary is a war monger more power to ya, just follow the rules and you'll be fine. If you think global warming is a hoax fantastic, so long as you can support it with some non-tabloid source be my guest. We're not the hurt feelings police, we're not going to pretend we're morally superior, and we're not going to ban people for shit opinions. (unless that opinion is "pedophilia is great" because then we will ban you because this is a forum filled with kids and that's creepy)[/QUOTE] obviously there's a difference between goat porn and tudd's posts, i'm just saying that "don't look at them" is a shitty solution. they're there, i'm browsing the forums, i have to at the very least look at the thread titles. i'm not saying you should ban tudd, i'm just saying that "don't look at the posts" is not sufficient, especially since the tool you propose to aid in not looking at his posts doesn't work [QUOTE=Arc Nova;52179756]so really you're just getting mad over the fact that Tudd posts on facepunch ???[/QUOTE] where did i say that? all i said is that the ignore tool doesn't work very well, which is true. at most, tudd's posts annoy me slightly, and then i roll my eyes before clicking on a less bad thread i don't want tudd to be banned, i just want to be able to ignore him better. is that a crime
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;52179953]obviously there's a difference between goat porn and tudd's posts, i'm just saying that "don't look at them" is a shitty solution. they're there, i'm browsing the forums, i have to at the very least look at the thread titles. i'm not saying you should ban tudd, i'm just saying that "don't look at the posts" is not sufficient, especially since the tool you propose to aid in not looking at his posts doesn't work where did i say that? all i said is that the ignore tool doesn't work very well, which is true. at most, tudd's posts annoy me slightly, and then i roll my eyes before clicking on a less bad thread i don't want tudd to be banned, i just want to be able to ignore him better. is that a crime[/QUOTE] not looking at them is a perfectly valid response to the situation unless you're so fragile that seeing them causes you actual pan
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;52179953]obviously there's a difference between goat porn and tudd's posts, i'm just saying that "don't look at them" is a shitty solution. they're there, i'm browsing the forums, i have to at the very least look at the thread titles. i'm not saying you should ban tudd, i'm just saying that "don't look at the posts" is not sufficient, especially since the tool you propose to aid in not looking at his posts doesn't work where did i say that? all i said is that the ignore tool doesn't work very well, which is true. at most, tudd's posts annoy me slightly, and then i roll my eyes before clicking on a less bad thread i don't want tudd to be banned, i just want to be able to ignore him better. is that a crime[/QUOTE] Well I can't help you if the problem is having to see a sentence worth of text on an online forum or a giant meme frog avatar. That's a personal problem, one that's not for the forum to solve.
I honestly wonder how much of this is exacerbated by Tudds huge avatar. It makes it much harder to not see him, you can't just scroll past like any other post. Not suggesting anything here, just curious.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52179961]Well I can't help you if the problem is having to see a sentence worth of text on an online forum or a giant meme frog avatar. That's a personal problem, one that's not for the forum to solve.[/QUOTE] well i mean, my main point is that the ignore list feature sucks, which kinda is a problem for the forum to solve. [editline]fart[/editline] i hope people realize that i'm not really uspet about this or anything. i'd like a better way to not see his threads, sure - but at the end of the day, i don't care [I]that [/I]much.
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;52179970]well i mean, my main point is that the ignore list feature sucks, which kinda is a problem for the forum to solve.[/QUOTE] There's really no sense in doing so. It would be a feature you would see for all of x amount of months until new punch gets rolled out. Not to mention its something that's been seldom asked for. Seriously man, if just seeing his thread titles boils your blood or something you need to take a step back and realize what this is. We aren't deciding the fate of some country or writing laws. This is a forum full of kids and young adults. I've been here longer than some kids playing rust have been alive. If I've learned anything over almost a decade and a half is to not take things on here too seriously.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52179988]There's really no sense in doing so. It would be a feature you would see for all of x amount of months until new punch gets rolled out. Not to mention its something that's been seldom asked for. Seriously man, if just seeing his thread titles boils your blood or something you need to take a step back and realize what this is. We aren't deciding the fate of some country or writing laws. This is a forum full of kids and young adults. I've been here longer than some kids playing rust have been alive. If I've learned anything over almost a decade and a half is to not take things on here too seriously.[/QUOTE] i've said like three times that i'm not upset about it, why do you (and others) keep claiming that i am. my only point was that i wanted a better ignore feature. i don't care what tudd posts, and he shouldn't be banned for posting it, but i don't come on facepunch to engage in serious political debate about a topic i know i won't change my mind on. i come to talk about video games and look at dumb pictures in lmao pics. seeing tudd's threads in the read threads/popular section doesn't "boil my blood", it's just a tad obnoxious. i know it's not something within your power specifically to change the ignore feature, and i understand that it's a low priority. i'm mostly posting this hoping that when/if the feature gets added to newpunch, it works a bit better. that's it.
So let me just understand here. If I were to post every article I could find of cherry-picked incidents of, say, bearded people committing crimes, and included a "just wanted to share this with you guys, just want to balance out the forums to show what bearded people can do in our modern society" in every OP, would I get banned? It's legitimate news articles just like Tudd posts, but over-representing a particular group of people as far as crimes go and implying a causative factor without actually providing evidence, just like Tudd's doing.
[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;52180093]So let me just understand here. If I were to post every article I could find of cherry-picked incidents of, say, bearded people committing crimes, and included a "just wanted to share this with you guys, just want to balance out the forums to show what bearded people can do in our modern society" in every OP, would I get banned? It's legitimate news articles just like Tudd posts, but over-representing a particular group of people as far as crimes go and implying a causative factor without actually providing evidence, just like Tudd's doing.[/QUOTE] If that's what you truly believe be my guest, though just like anyone else regardless of content if all you do is thread after thread after thread you'll get banned for spamming. Also you need to take into account the news sources that you use as outline in the SH rules.
This reminds me of when wicked was posting a bunch of different news threads in SH involving babies dying and he got banned :v: I'm really confused as to why he did it in general though
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