Do College Students Hate Free Speech? Let's Ask Them. - General

[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49381717]Yeah that is also what I have been thinking.[/QUOTE] Like, destabilizing the whole world to take it over.

[QUOTE=Robber;49381331]I've never seen anything like this outside of America. Western civilization is just fine. It's the US that should be worried about their next generation.[/QUOTE] i studied briefly at an incredibly small university and even there it was full of these kinds of people it's not just this, the new attitude the west has to education, free speech, religion, criticism, logic and politics are all degenerating over time and it's incredibly hurtful that the young academics (you know, the future of our societies) are often completely incompetent, lazy marxists whom are spending years reading worthless subjects like gender studies and other garbage. these people in turn will be your future prime minister and presidents

I dunno, I think there's some overreacting going on here. These are tiny samples of entire generations. Every generation has always said the next would undo everything yet lo and behold, here we are. These people are fucking stupid, but stupid people have always existed. What [I]is[/I] somewhat worrying though is how easily the administration is bending to the will of the students. Actually acknowledging and reinforcing this retardation is what'll cause longterm damage.

I can't even take "microaggression" seriously. It's like one of those made up words in some dystopian book

I'm a high schooler about to be a college resident and where I'm from we don't have these bullshit PC rules. I'm pretty worried about how things will look when I get to a college campus. I feel like it's going to turn into me not even wanting to speak because saying a simple statement like "they were the most qualified for the job" will get me BTFO. Side note, the people in the video have no fucking clue how a business works if they say, "wellllll.... people should look at more than qualifications while hiring." What the shit are you talking about? I guess just hire the most racially diverse group of people that have no work ethic at all for the sake of being a "good human being"? [editline]24th December 2015[/editline] I feel like social media has made everyone hyper analytical on how others perceive them, and now people want to do everything in their power to try and make everyone happy.

the "most qualified" thing made me so mad "if they are white then thats racist" [editline]24th December 2015[/editline] why are college kids so fucking sensitive

[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;49379302]Americans are fucking nuts[/QUOTE] America may have this type of thing happening across campuses, but much of Europe already has laws on the books against offensive speech. The idea of being convicted as a racist by the state is unheard of in America, but does happen across western Europe right now.

[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49380055]So much hypocrisy in this video. Has this world turned into a Monty Python sketch or something? I feel like the people in this video have their hearts in the right place, they are just going about trying to do things the wrong way.[/QUOTE] "Road to hell is paved with good intentions" is how I personally summarize the train of thought of those of them that ain't gaming the PC craze for personal benefit. [editline]24th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;49382763]America may have this type of thing happening across campuses, but much of Europe already has laws on the books against offensive speech. The idea of being convicted as a racist by the state is unheard of in America, but has happened multiple times in western Europe.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say western, deffo in some eastern parts, but that's to silence criticism

[QUOTE=Van-man;49382777]"Road to hell is paved with good intentions" is how I personally summarize the train of thought of those of them that ain't [b]gaming the PC [/b]craze for personal benefit.[/QUOTE] You did that on purpose.

[QUOTE=Van-man;49382777]I wouldn't say western, deffo in some eastern parts, but that's to silence criticism[/QUOTE] It's happened in France, Nordic countries, etc. The laws are in the books across most of western Europe. Here's an analysis of it if you're interested: [URL]http://www.middlebury.edu/media/view/477359/original/bleich_2014_jems_high_court_hate_speech_us_europe.pdf[/URL] The conclusion states: "Regulating racist hate speech, however, remains one area where they are worlds apart. In most European countries, it is against the law to assert in public that a racial, ethnic or religious group is to be feared or hated, and in many countries illegal to say that the Holocaust never happened. European courts have backed these steps as a logical part of efforts to curb pernicious forms of racism. American courts would strike down these provisions as an unwarranted and even dangerous infringement on the fundamental right of freedom of expression." In France, for example, you can be legally convicted for saying racist comments in a private setting and be forced to pay a fine for it.

[QUOTE=Van-man;49382777] I wouldn't say western, deffo in some eastern parts, but that's to silence criticism[/QUOTE] I've heard things about Germany and Sweden silencing any sort of criticism or evidence that would break their narrative.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49382791]It's happened in France, Nordic countries, etc. The laws are in the books across most of western Europe. Here's an analysis of it if you're interested: [URL]http://www.middlebury.edu/media/view/477359/original/bleich_2014_jems_high_court_hate_speech_us_europe.pdf[/URL] The conclusion states: "Regulating racist hate speech, however, remains one area where they are worlds apart. In most European countries, it is against the law to assert in public that a racial, ethnic or religious group is to be feared or hated, and in many countries illegal to say that the Holocaust never happened. European courts have backed these steps as a logical part of efforts to curb pernicious forms of racism. American courts would strike down these provisions as an unwarranted and even dangerous infringement on the fundamental right of freedom of expression." In France, for example, you can be legally convicted for saying racist comments in a private setting and be forced to pay a fine for it.[/QUOTE] Oh Those, they're definitely knee-jerk reaction laws, but AFAIK there hasn't been any noteworthy case where they've been used. Gonna be interesting when.a case hits the court over them, but it's honestly dumb you can get dragged to court for saying "X people are idiots", since I've only seem them used as additional shit tacked onto some nutters sentence. [QUOTE=AaronM202;49382786]You did that on purpose.[/QUOTE] Only realized it when proof-reading, but kept it for shits&giggles :v:

[QUOTE=Van-man;49382888]Oh Those, they're definitely knee-jerk reaction laws, but AFAIK there hasn't been any noteworthy case where they've been used. Gonna be interesting when.a case hits the court over them, but it's honestly dumb you can get dragged to court for saying "X people are idiots", since I've only seem them used as additional shit tacked onto some nutters sentence.[/QUOTE] IDK, there are a quite a few examples of politicians being convicted of racism, and only racism. Jean-Marie Le Pen was convicted 6 times for racism, having to pay over $1,000,000 francs in fines for, quoted from the court in question, "minimizing the holocaust." *NOTE* For the idealogues out there, I am not defending Le Pen's comments. I'm simply pointing out an example of this type of law being used.

I legit lost IQ by listening to some of these girls. Never coming to USA, no thanks.

[QUOTE=Supacasey;49382422]Only move at that point is to walk away, there's no point in further debate if their definition of racism is anything other than one (any) race being perceived as superior to another - they're incapable of seeing their basic argument is corrupt. You could try citing the dictionary definition of racism for them, but they'd probably just say it was written by the oppressive white regime v:v:v[/QUOTE] I imagine that this hypothetical lefty college student that you're giving such an intellectual thrashing to would likely dismiss you right back as a narrow-minded linguistic perscriptivist.

[QUOTE=cdr248;49381744]I can see how some of these phrases could be microagressions, but it depends on the context and a lot of people just don't even consider that. I can ask a asian person where they're from or call a black person articulate and not mean anything by it, but there are definitely people that can say those in a way that come off as racist. These people don't seem to know the difference between calling a minority articulate and ironically calling a minority articulate. Which isn't very hard because if you've met my family you can fucking see how harmless phrases get turned into something that's [I]really [/I]offensive.[/QUOTE] Because normally Black People are out taking one for the hood and Asian people are being good at maths. By commenting on something that isn't related to what you're commenting, beside the fact that the subject (a black person) is also stereotyped as being in a gang or something dumb. Making this comment means you are validating the stereotype by noting that this black person is different. Or something fucking dumb, that's probably what they'd say.

[QUOTE=Robber;49381331]I've never seen anything like this outside of America. Western civilization is just fine. It's the US that should be worried about their next generation.[/QUOTE] Its worse in Europe. [video=youtube;3KSJY0c8QWw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw[/video]

I feel like you get over this type of sensitivity once you are out of college and into the 'real' world. Young students are pretty naive, and I mean it makes sense, you learn through experience. That high school bubble has to get popped, you know, that attitude you had in high school that you can change the world if you [I]just[/I] believe in yourself; that the school you were in probably fostered a very simple culture that you grew accustomed to and think the rest of the world is like that or revolves around it. Then you go to uni, and class is pretty easy, you really like this one professor that is a little too entrenched in their own field and political view and being the impressionable youth you are you eat it up. I feel like most of the people in the video are just regurgitating something they saw online, heard from a professor, or what have you. They didn't take the time to really think about PC and thus look stupid when asked to apply it to a unique scenario. I feel like its more of a problem of just taking in shit at face value. On the surface political correctness sounds like it could never be wrong. Oh you mean this idea is about making sure people don't accidentally offend each other and practice a sense of common decency and sensitivity to other's problems or issues, cool that sounds alright. Oh wait, shit, if I really think about applying this to EVERYTHING then some people get completely burned while others get a overzealous step up with no effort on their part. I feel like it's just a learning process of critical thinking, how some things are ok some of the time, you have to be smart enough to pick and choose what's appropriate. And sometimes people just fucking suck at critical thinking. Once you are closing in on the end of your college journey you realize the real struggles in life, like trying to get a job, dealing with long term relationships (friends/lovers/co-workers/bosses), getting insurance, dealing with taxes, monitoring your finances, and so on. All of these new challenges make that term paper and class shit small fry, and you care less about stupid shit like people saying Bless you when you sneeze or some shit.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49383146]Its worse in Europe. [video=youtube;3KSJY0c8QWw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw[/video][/QUOTE] not really

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49383167]not really[/QUOTE] In Germany and many other European states they have laws that limit speech in order to protect peoples feelings. What the people in the OP video probably want in America, or at least at their college.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49383272]In Germany and many other European states they have laws that limit speech in order to protect peoples feelings. What the people in the OP video probably want in America, or at least at their college.[/QUOTE] whatever those laws are, they aren't reinforcing them

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49383281]whatever those laws are, they aren't reinforcing them[/QUOTE] Except for exceptionally loud idiots, who often are politicians. Honestly that's the only cases I've been able to dig up, and the tolerance is in most cases surprisingly high considered how much of a deal there's made over them. Otherwise I know a handful of national politicians who would've kept their mouth shut. Those laws are dumb though, but they seem to be used against even dumber people who go against any logic, so there's bigger shit to deal with before those.

These fuckers came through my school's library chanting their dumb shit. As a very involved student, I can tell you I've seen none of their faces at the appropriate offices and meetings to solve these kinds of problems. (excluding racial stuff) Problems which I frankly dont think need solving nor need solutions. Microaggressions are stupid. Police brutality isn't happening on campus, why the fuck do they need to disrupt people studying for this shit? And do white people not realize they're whitewashing BLM by protesting for it when they have no fucking idea what it means, they just want to be seen as progressive? EDIT: fuck the college aged liberal I'm transferring.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49383272]In Germany and many other European states they have laws that limit speech in order to protect peoples feelings.[/QUOTE] That's bullshit. It's not about "protecting peoples feelings". It's about punishing people [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#Germany"]who are inciting hate[/URL], aka "kill all [Insert minority here]". No one is going to arrest you here if you make a joke about a minority.

Calling someone else a fucking jew. Or retarded Christian. Or calling Muslims sand niggers for example isn't a hate crime. Are they stupid? It's racist but it's not a crime. Now punching someone or acting on those thought in a negative way can be interpreted as one. I hate these oversensitive pc people. They are just annoying af

This video is physically painful to watch.

[QUOTE=NoOneKnowsMe;49383539]That's bullshit. It's not about "protecting peoples feelings". It's about punishing people [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#Germany"]who are inciting hate[/URL], aka "kill all [Insert minority here]". No one is going to arrest you here if you make a joke about a minority.[/QUOTE] , The laws are a bit too vague, but it's pretty clear they're meant against public and actually serious "gas all kikes, racewar now" type of comments

Fucking hell, I hope this doesn't spread too much to Sweden. People are already super sensitive, but at least we don't have dumb protesters yet.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;49380705]How is calling a black person 'articulate' supposed to be a microagression? Like, I can wrap my head around the rest (in a vague sense) but that one just makes no sense.[/QUOTE] Would you call a white person "articulate?" It implies that black people aren't articulate, and that an articulate black person is unusual enough to comment on. It's one "micro-aggression" that can easily be understood compared to the stretches some other ones make - this one honestly implies that black people are dumb simply by asking the question.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49384529]Would you call a white person "articulate?" It implies that black people aren't articulate, and that an articulate black person is unusual enough to comment on. It's one "micro-aggression" that can easily be understood compared to the stretches some other ones make - this one honestly implies that black people are dumb simply by asking the question.[/QUOTE] My black godfather referred to me as "articulate" all the time, but that's probably because I dressed like a scruff and my accent is on a permanent walking tour of the british working class