Do College Students Hate Free Speech? Let's Ask Them. - General

[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;49384543]My black godfather referred to me as "articulate" all the time, but that's probably because I dressed like a scruff and my accent is on a permanent walking tour of the british working class[/QUOTE] There's a cultural difference with you being in Britain as opposed to the US. "Articulate" is a word with a lot of history, specifically used to refer to educated black people for a long period in the US. There's absolutely an implication in this country by using the word "articulate" that other black people aren't articulate. It's like telling a blonde person over and over that they're not as dumb as you expected - that wouldn't be very offensive to a brunette because they don't fall into the "blondes are dumb" stereotype. The same goes for "articulate" - it plays off a stereotype that black people are inarticulate, and that stereotype doesn't exist for white people. That's why it's exclusively offensive to black people and not an offensive thing to say to white people.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49383272]In Germany and many other European states they have laws that limit speech in order to protect peoples feelings. What the people in the OP video probably want in America, or at least at their college.[/QUOTE] When it comes to racial sensitivity, believe me, Europe isn't worse (well that probably depends on your definition). This was pumped out on national television just about ten years back and it's still hilarious: [video=youtube;UT_q8u17Yxs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT_q8u17Yxs[/video] I have friends who study in the US (and the UK, where the same trend is gaining a foothold), and from what I can tell it's "worse". I haven't met anyone here in Denmark that would actually take the term "microaggression" completely seriously.

Microaggression is blown out of proportion a lot of the time. It's just asking for people to be aware of the stereotypes they're invoking when they saying things like "oh you're so beautiful for a black girl!" or telling a black guy "oh you're basically white haha." As usual, some people take it too far and make it a huge deal that oppresses other people. In reality it's just a way to be polite and avoid insulting someone's entire race in an attempt to compliment them.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49384584]Microaggression is blown out of proportion a lot of the time. It's just asking for people to be aware of the stereotypes they're invoking when they saying things like "oh you're so beautiful for a black girl!" or telling a black guy "oh you're basically white haha." As usual, some people take it too far and make it a huge deal that oppresses other people. In reality it's just a way to be polite and avoid insulting someone's entire race in an attempt to compliment them.[/QUOTE] So far I've only seen it being used in a context that's more offensive than the supposed "microagression" it was addressing. With is the problem with it, because you replace the "good intention gone awry" with a even bigger one, which result in that it were better to not address it at all.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49384529]Would you call a white person "articulate?" It implies that black people aren't articulate, and that an articulate black person is unusual enough to comment on. It's one "micro-aggression" that can easily be understood compared to the stretches some other ones make - this one honestly implies that black people are dumb simply by asking the question.[/QUOTE] In 2015, it's now a race hate crime to compliment someone on how smart and punctual they are with their words. What is happening?

[QUOTE=haloguy234;49385146]In 2015, it's now a race hate crime to compliment someone on how smart and punctual they are with their words. What is happening?[/QUOTE] Let's go arrest Biden. He called Obama the most articulate black guy he's ever met.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49384572]There's a cultural difference with you being in Britain as opposed to the US. "Articulate" is a word with a lot of history, [B]specifically used to refer to educated black people for a long period in the US[/B]. There's absolutely an implication in this country by using the word "articulate" that other black people aren't articulate. It's like telling a blonde person over and over that they're not as dumb as you expected - that wouldn't be very offensive to a brunette because they don't fall into the "blondes are dumb" stereotype. The same goes for "articulate" - it plays off a stereotype that black people are inarticulate, and that stereotype doesn't exist for white people. That's why it's exclusively offensive to black people and not an offensive thing to say to white people.[/QUOTE] Well fuck this is news to me

[QUOTE=cdr248;49385191]Well fuck this is news to me[/QUOTE] Because it's absolute BS. People get called articulate all the time in the US. It's a fairly common word with a well known, established, meaning.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49384584]Microaggression is blown out of proportion a lot of the time. It's just asking for people to be aware of the stereotypes they're invoking when they saying things like "oh you're so beautiful for a black girl!" or telling a black guy "oh you're basically white haha." As usual, some people take it too far and make it a huge deal that oppresses other people. In reality it's just a way to be polite and avoid insulting someone's entire race in an attempt to compliment them.[/QUOTE] but just the same as you shouldn't say "you're beautiful for an asian girl" or "you're articulate for a black dude", you should be able to say "you're beautiful" or "you're articulate". the only thing that implies any form of aggression in your statements is the claim that the race or other group they're a part of does not typically hold the characteristic you're complimenting them for [editline]24th December 2015[/editline] not to say I'm trying to argue with you, more just in disbelief with the idea of "microaggressions" in general. they're hurtfully presumptuous

[QUOTE=Bynine;49385337]but just the same as you shouldn't say "you're beautiful for an asian girl" or "you're articulate for a black dude", you should be able to say "you're beautiful" or "you're articulate". the only thing that implies any form of aggression in your statements is the claim that the race or other group they're a part of does not typically hold the characteristic you're complimenting them for [editline]24th December 2015[/editline] not to say I'm trying to argue with you, more just in disbelief with the idea of "microaggressions" in general. they're hurtfully presumptuous[/QUOTE] You're misrepresenting what they are, or at least what they were to the people in the video. They aren't "you're articulate for a black dude", they're calling a guy articulate and people getting offended because that person happens to be black.

The weirdo people who live on the west coast are the ones who exhibit this most often. The rest of the nation is usually a lot more normal.

I think this is compete garbage by people who have been pampered their entire lives. The good of free speech does come with the bad of stupid people saying stupid things, it's an ideal that America has tried very hard to keep. Unfortunately these left PC nazis aren't it, there is also the Fox News 'murica right that want things their way as well. At least life can give them a good kick in the nuts to make them normal. :P

[QUOTE=articqatar;49385717]I think this is compete garbage by people who have been pampered their entire lives. The good of free speech does come with the bad of stupid people saying stupid things, it's an ideal that America has tried very hard to keep. Unfortunately these left PC nazis aren't it, there is also the Fox News 'murica right that want things their way as well. At least life can give them a good kick in the nuts to make them normal. :P[/QUOTE] I think most of this boils down to a misunderstanding. Nobody is saying "ban people from saying the word articulate," they're saying "be aware of the connotations that calling a black person articulate has and how they might respond." Some people have taken it too far and think it should be punished and prohibited, which is absurd, but the vast majority of people just think you should realize the connotations of phrases that seem innocent (like "articulate" or "exotic") and try to avoid using them in certain contexts to avoid accidentally annoying or insulting other people when it isn't necessary. There is nothing wrong with the words or even using the words - it's just about being aware of how others might interpret what you're saying. If you say "you're so articulate" to a black person and they get offended because they've interpreted what you're saying as "you're so articulate [for a black person]," you should be aware of that connotation instead of angrily going "IT'S A COMPLIMENT FUCK YOU" and being a cunt about it.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49385850]There is nothing wrong with the words or even using the words - it's just about being aware of how others might interpret what you're saying. If you say "you're so articulate" to a black person and they get offended because they've interpreted what you're saying as "you're so articulate [for a black person]," you should be aware of that connotation instead of angrily going "IT'S A COMPLIMENT FUCK YOU" and being a cunt about it.[/QUOTE] Is the same expectation held for the black person to not assume a racist connotation? It seems like you're giving a total pass for the black guy and putting all the onus on the white guy. Generally, when people make quick assumptions about other people that lead to false conclusions we put the fault on the person making those false assumptions, not the person being misrepresented. Also, no one is claiming that saying, "IT'S A COMPLIMENT FUCK YOU" is the correct response. So that's just a strawman.

My cousin went to class with one of these types. She honest to god quit college after she failed to force everyone to replace normal milk with soy-milk. She was just used to being such a special snow-flake. A social innovator (or rather not ever told to shut the fuck up and mind her constant wreckage of personal barriers.) in her social circles at home, that she just couldn't stop trying to impose her bullshit on others. It went further than that, but it was honest to god the soy-milk incident that blasted her "safe space" into orbit and obliterated it. [editline]25th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=haloguy234;49385146]In 2015, it's now a race hate crime to compliment someone on how smart and punctual they are with their words. What is happening?[/QUOTE] Everyone's been getting medals and high grades for shutting their mouths while breathing at earlier and earlier ages. Apparently that makes them feel warranted to show the rest of us "the way to a better society." Meanwhile, they're also getting aneurisms every time they get shown what a real achievement in personal progress is. and all we're seeing is an extensive exercise in how to get away with being a massive bigot AND inverse-bigot at the same time. The scary thing about these SJW's is that they abuse and promote the most derogatory stereotypes in their attempt at taking control of your thinking pattern. The SJW is always the biggest racist, sexist or just general bigot in the room. People have been complimenting them for merely existing so long that they just broke. I don't even know that these people can be saved.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49384529]Would you call a white person "articulate?" It implies that black people aren't articulate, and that an articulate black person is unusual enough to comment on. It's one "micro-aggression" that can easily be understood compared to the stretches some other ones make - this one honestly implies that black people are dumb simply by asking the question.[/QUOTE] Actually, you seem way more racist than anyone who says a black guy is articulate because you're acting and implying that the basis must be that they aren't. I think that's an unfair assumption both about the speaker and to apply to black people

I have called many people of all races articulate having never intended any negative implications whatsoever. I, white male CIS scum, have been called articulate on occasion. I have literally never heard of any "history" behind the phrase "articulate" before this thread. It's horse shit.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49386142]Actually, you seem way more racist than anyone who says a black guy is articulate because you're acting and implying that the basis must be that they aren't. I think that's an unfair assumption both about the speaker and to apply to black people[/QUOTE] Acknowledging a stereotype's existence = racism? Seriously? Is it racist that I recognize that the stereotype that black people like watermelon is a thing? Is it racist that I recognize that stereotype and decide not to go up to a black guy at a party and say "dude you should have this watermelon, you seem like the type of guy that would love it!" My own mother has called my ex-girlfriend and my sister's current boyfriend, both black, "super articulate," yet she's never once called any of our white friends "articulate." We've called her on it and she has the same reaction as most people in this thread - it's just a word and I'm making the racist assumption. Yet she's never once called any white person we bring home "articulate," because it's assumed that white people are articulate and black people are less so. It's a stereotype. All that people are saying with microaggressions is to be aware of these stereotypes and avoid acting on them unless you want to risk looking like an ass.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49386192]Acknowledging a stereotype's existence = racism? Seriously? Is it racist that I recognize that the stereotype that black people like watermelon is a thing? Is it racist that I recognize that stereotype and decide not to go up to a black guy at a party and say "dude you should have this watermelon, you seem like the type of guy that would love it!" My own mother has called my ex-girlfriend and my sister's current boyfriend, both black, "super articulate," yet she's never once called any of our white friends "articulate." We've called her on it and she has the same reaction as most people in this thread - it's just a word and I'm making the racist assumption. Yet she's never once called any white person we bring home "articulate," because it's assumed that white people are articulate and black people are less so. It's a stereotype. All that people are saying with microaggressions is to be aware of these stereotypes and avoid acting on them unless you want to risk looking like an ass.[/QUOTE] So your only evidence is an anecdote?

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49386192]Acknowledging a stereotype's existence = racism? Seriously? Is it racist that I recognize that the stereotype that black people like watermelon is a thing? Is it racist that I recognize that stereotype and decide not to go up to a black guy at a party and say "dude you should have this watermelon, you seem like the type of guy that would love it!" My own mother has called my ex-girlfriend and my sister's current boyfriend, both black, "super articulate," yet she's never once called any of our white friends "articulate." We've called her on it and she has the same reaction as most people in this thread - it's just a word and I'm making the racist assumption. Yet she's never once called any white person we bring home "articulate," because it's assumed that white people are articulate and black people are less so. It's a stereotype. All that people are saying with microaggressions is to be aware of these stereotypes and avoid acting on them unless you want to risk looking like an ass.[/QUOTE] I seriously have never been exposed to that and I went to extremely culturally diverse schools. [editline]25th December 2015[/editline] I'm white and I've been called articulate by a number of people in my life, I'm just not seeing what you do.

Who would immediately assume someone calling someone "articulate" is implying that the person thinks all black people are stupid? IMO its actually really ignorant to assume that out of someone who you probably don't know, and imo you'd probably need to be a pretty big closet racist to make the connection that calling someone articulate means they think all blacks are idiots.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49386192]Acknowledging a stereotype's existence = racism? Seriously? Is it racist that I recognize that the stereotype that black people like watermelon is a thing? Is it racist that I recognize that stereotype and decide not to go up to a black guy at a party and say "dude you should have this watermelon, you seem like the type of guy that would love it!" My own mother has called my ex-girlfriend and my sister's current boyfriend, both black, "super articulate," yet she's never once called any of our white friends "articulate." We've called her on it and she has the same reaction as most people in this thread - it's just a word and I'm making the racist assumption. Yet she's never once called any white person we bring home "articulate," because it's assumed that white people are articulate and black people are less so. It's a stereotype. All that people are saying with microaggressions is to be aware of these stereotypes and avoid acting on them unless you want to risk looking like an ass.[/QUOTE] The racism comes in assuming that any white person who calls you (a black person) articulate is racist on the basis of their skin color. Any person who automatically makes that assumption without good reason is just being a racist towards white people.

Guys.......lets do it.......lets fund a rocket together and fuck off this planet, honestly that's it i can't take this shit anymore.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49386269] I'm white and I've been called articulate by a number of people in my life, I'm just not seeing what you do.[/QUOTE] A lot of these micro-aggressions are so dependant on context that you can't really read them at face value. It's up to the [I]victim[/I] to deliberate whether the statement was intentionally (or perhaps unintentionally) offensive. Personally, I've been called articulate in both a racially demeaning and genuinely complimentary sense. It's all really dependant on delivery and the situation.

[QUOTE=doctordarken;49387831]A lot of these micro-aggressions are so dependant on context that you can't really read them at face value. It's up to the [I]victim[/I] to deliberate whether the statement was intentionally (or perhaps unintentionally) offensive. Personally, I've been called articulate in both a racially demeaning and genuinely complimentary sense. It's all really dependant on delivery and the situation.[/QUOTE] well you just made a very well articulated and formulated point, so I while I understand some people may use it in a racial connotation, I find it likely anyone who's said that to you meant it genuinely. Now it may be true that it is up to victim to deliberate whether it was offensive or not, I think what their intent was is a bit more important than their degree of offensiveness.

It's hard to understand what they were saying, all I heard by a lot of these students is word salad. There'as only like 2 people who made good points but everyone else sounded batshit.