[QUOTE=Darkfire0215;51833879]Hey there, new to this part of the forum, but I wanted to ask if I made a good decision on a my first gun. I purchased (well pre-ordered) a Taurus PT111 Millennium G2 from a local gun shop about a month before my 21st birthday. It had a deal where it came along with a extra clip, a box of 9mm Luger ammo, and a Fobus holster for about $259 + 21.53 tax. I've did some research about the handgun, but I wanted to get your guys personal opinion about it. So like I said before, did I make a good decision or no?
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Not sure how universal this is, but literally every black market firearm I've ever seen is sold with magtech. I have literally no idea why.
That said, for a similar amount of money, you could have bought a hi-point. Which is as spotty as taurus. But my buddy has a taurus judge, and he likes it and has no problems with it. We're still waiting for it to explode on him.
[QUOTE=Levelog;51834369]PT92 is like the only Taurus worth considering. Even then they've started to deviate[/QUOTE]
I've had a PT92 for 10 years, never had a single issue with it.
Review of the PT111 Mil G2
[url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/06/27/gun-review-taurus-pt111-millenium-g2/[/url]
[QUOTE=Binladen34;51834410]Not sure how universal this is, but literally every black market firearm I've ever seen is sold with magtech. I have literally no idea why.
That said, for a similar amount of money, you could have bought a hi-point. Which is as spotty as taurus.[/QUOTE]
Huh, didn't know about the Magtech being a black market firearms go-to ammo if that's actually the case. Also, the store that I bought the Taurus also has a 40 calibur Hi-Point pistol I believe and (I might get flak for this) it went for about $180 dollars but didn't go for it. I asked one of the guys behind the counter about it and why it was so much cheaper, can't remember what he said.
[QUOTE=Ajacks;51834431]I've had a PT92 for 10 years, never had a single issue with it.[/QUOTE]
It's because they literally bought a Beretta plant and continued it making 92fs's but with a Taurus stamp.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51834135]Tell him why. If he bought a Taurus in the first place, he obviously doesn't know why any Taurus is a mistake.
The short of it is that Taurus is rife with shitty QC, low quality materials to begin with, and poor designs/manufacturing shortcuts. The customer service sucks and the guns are so cheap they usually just replace them outright (with equally shit guns) rather than pay a technician to do the repair work needed since at any gunsmith's wage they'd probably lose more money for the time it'd take to bring one of these pieces of garbage into spec.
For example, [url=https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=450251]this guy bought a Taurus revolver and sent it in for service[/url], they jerked him around for 2 months then replaced the gun with another lemon that had even more serious problems.
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He said these cylinders look like they were cut with hand tools. I think suggesting that real tools of any kind were involved in cutting the cylinders is being a little generous; it looks like they were cut with sharp rocks.
Taurus sucks. I have seen better-made weapons coming out of mud huts in Khyber Pass. Why Taurus kids themselves with a factory eludes me. I'd sooner buy a Cobray for self defense.[/QUOTE]
Taurus can be very hit or miss. In my experience they can be just like that photo to damn near the exact same as any smith. I've sent back plenty of guns to taurus for warranty before even putting them on the show room floor, and I've actually noticed a bit of a pattern with it. Of all the final checkers only two of them actually apparently give a shit, with those two always sending out top notch guns. They've since changed up how their checkers sign off on things so I don't know who the two are anymore, but a lot of it's based on the indevidual worker.
For taurus they don't really need to care. Aside from the handful of their US made guns they literally get their guns for pennies on the dollar.
Still, I've got a Rossi 44C (basically a 44 tracker cut down to 2") that has run top notch for years. I just happened to be able to hand pick it.
I wouldn't trust my life to a Taurus.
[QUOTE=Darkfire0215;51834465]Huh, didn't know about the Magtech being a black market firearms go-to ammo if that's actually the case. Also, the store that I bought the Taurus also has a 40 calibur Hi-Point pistol I believe and (I might get flak for this) it went for about $180 dollars but didn't go for it. I asked one of the guys behind the counter about it and why it was so much cheaper, can't remember what he said.[/QUOTE]
probably because there are IED's in iraq that are safer/more reliable than a hipoint everything that could go wrong with a handgun can and will go wrong with a hipoint
HiPoints aren't [I]dangerous[/I], they're just [I]shit[/I]. Bad ergo, inaccurate, oversized brick guns made of cheap plastic. Unlike a Taurus, a HiPoint will go bang every time no matter what you do to it, at least.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51834750]HiPoints aren't [I]dangerous[/I], they're just [I]shit[/I]. Bad ergo, inaccurate, oversized brick guns made of cheap plastic. Unlike a Taurus, a HiPoint will go bang every time no matter what you do to it, at least.[/QUOTE]
Yup. Say what you will about them, they just plain work. If I had to pick one single quality to have in a firearm, it would be reliability, hands down. Gun-no-feel-good is infinitely better than gun-no-worky.
The other thing is, Hi Points know what they are. They don't pretend to be ~unparalleled quality~. They're cheap guns that [I]work[/I] at the expense of comfort, accuracy and aesthetics. They have a design philosophy and they've stuck to it. I can respect that. I'll never own one, but I can respect it.
[QUOTE=Squad1993;51832533]The manual said to use the thumb and index finger so I have been practicing that way but its difficult to operate it. If my hands are even slightly sweaty, the slide wont move. Ill give your suggestion a try[/QUOTE]
Don't be afraid to manhandle the gun. Watch how I reload here:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1XIreJqV90[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_cNaFJ5DM[/url]
Teach that little bitch slide, with your whole hand, who is in control of the gun. The first video is better than the second, you really want to shove the top of the gun towards your chest before regripping.
Overhand is 100% the way to go. Slingshot will get you killed in a real adrenaline-dump, palms sweating gunfight.
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[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51835005]The other thing is, Hi Points know what they are. They don't pretend to be ~unparalleled quality~. They're cheap guns that [I]work[/I] at the expense of comfort, accuracy and aesthetics. They have a design philosophy and they've stuck to it. I can respect that. I'll never own one, but I can respect it.[/QUOTE]
I've seen enough Hi-Points fail in the wild to never touch one and chuckle when people mention quality. I can't tell you if it's because they never use or care for it, but the folks that went to the range with me at work, that carried hi-points, would stovepipe or fail to feed at least once every other magazine.
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[QUOTE=Binladen34;51834410]Not sure how universal this is, but literally every black market firearm I've ever seen is sold with magtech. I have literally no idea why.[/QUOTE]
Dirtiest cheapest shit on the market save for Brown Bear or mystery manufacturer, in my experience. When we run through a course multiple times because some of the guys are struggling, they hand out magtech like candy when folks get caught out not bringing extra.
I'd like to build a straight pull Colt Carbine clone of a model similar to a 635/XM177, basically any pre-M4 AR carbines from The 60s, 70s or 80s.
Does anyone know some good websites to get parts on and any websites i may need to be able to get the correct parts like handguards, uppers/lowers etc?
Retroblackrifle.com is my life rn
Exporting seems like it'd be more trouble than its worth
No point going hard after the literal handful of sales to commie countries when there are a bunch of barriers and extra costs put up by both countries for such deals
The ATF makes exporting a major pain in the ass. US dealers aren't cunts, they're just not going to export at what for the majority of them will be a loss, and if they charge enough for the item to still turn a worthwhile profit, nobody will want to pay the pricetag.
Make no mistake, the ATF exists to slowly strangle the US gun industry - not to mention the UK isn't very fond of black rifles, either.
It only seems to be you Europoors that they block, from Soviet Kanuckistan I can look at just about any US gun website I want.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51835295]I've seen enough Hi-Points fail in the wild to never touch one and chuckle when people mention quality. I can't tell you if it's because they never use or care for it, but the folks that went to the range with me at work, that carried hi-points, would stovepipe or fail to feed at least once every other magazine.[/QUOTE]
Maintenance might factor into it. Hi Points are an absolute bitch to disassemble from what I understand.
I'm a strong believer that you get what you pay for, honestly. I know HiPoint isn't trying to get poor people killed or being deliberately shady, but that price point's gotta come from somewhere, and I just don't see or understand the logic in buying cheap on something you're gonna bet your life on.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51839737]I'm a strong believer that you get what you pay for, honestly. I know HiPoint isn't trying to get poor people killed or being deliberately shady, but that price point's gotta come from somewhere, and I just don't see or understand the logic in buying cheap on something you're gonna bet your life on.[/QUOTE]
If you're down on your luck and being threatened with violence, a Hi Point might be all you can afford. If you had $600 in the bank with rent coming up, and the dealer put a $400 Glock and a $100 Hi Point on the table, what would you pick?
I'd pick the option that allows me to make rent [I]and[/I] eat at the same time.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51839737]I'm a strong believer that you get what you pay for, honestly. I know HiPoint isn't trying to get poor people killed or being deliberately shady, but that price point's gotta come from somewhere, and I just don't see or understand the logic in buying cheap on something you're gonna bet your life on.[/QUOTE]
Yea but if you restrict guns for being cheap, youre basically preventing the poor from getting a means to protect themselves. Saturday Night Specials tried to be restricted because they were bought predominantly by lower class blacks, so it was thought that banning those would help stop crime. But it was basically racist to do so because youre preventing blacks from getting a means of defense.
Yea hipoints suck but if theyre all you can get, then you should get one so you have something.
Could anyone point me to a solid 5.56 chambered 1:7 twist HBAR? Best I could find was a del-ton barrel.
What gas length?
given the choice between a NIB hipoint and a pawn shop shotgun I'll take the shotgun everytime hell some new maverick 88's are cheaper than a hipoint and aren't steaming piles of shit. If what lead you to buy a hipoint for protection is price you're doing it wrong
Took the Model 10 to the gunsmith to check the headspace before firing it with the new barrel, too much headspace. The gun has a ring in the receiver to adjust headspace but if I dial it in to where it would have to be to be correct, the barrel won't go on, it binds up somewhere. Will require more fitting :(
But I did get my dad's old Witness tuned up and running right, so there's that.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;51841294]Could anyone point me to a solid 5.56 chambered 1:7 twist HBAR? Best I could find was a del-ton barrel.[/QUOTE]
Any particular reason you're looking for a 1:7 twist rate? You understand that you can stabilize a wider range of bullet weights with a 1:8 barrel, right?
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[QUOTE=PandaJuggernaut;51842461]given the choice between a NIB hipoint and a pawn shop shotgun I'll take the shotgun everytime hell some new maverick 88's are cheaper than a hipoint and aren't steaming piles of shit. If what lead you to buy a hipoint for protection is price you're doing it wrong[/QUOTE]
What if you need something you can CC? Do you know any other handguns that run in the $100 range?
It's done. All my Shit is on it now.
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I uhh..I.. just..Just...WHY
[QUOTE=GunFox;51843124]I uhh..I.. just..Just...WHY[/QUOTE]
New York.
Unless you're talking about the sticker. I've got nothing on that.
I hath returned from my first gun show and I bring pictures! Which I am too lazy to post on here!
[url]http://imgur.com/a/tLFmy[/url]
I pretty much realized what I was missing out on when I was living in Jersey.
[QUOTE=TehAgentGuy;51843394]I hath returned from my first gun show and I bring pictures! Which I am too lazy to post on here!
[url]http://imgur.com/a/tLFmy[/url]
I pretty much realized what I was missing out on when I was living in Jersey.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]Some fuckin' bigass 60-100 AR mags. I seriously contemplated buying one as a joke for one of my friends in Idaho.
Also pictured: an AK drum mag, 2 Saiga 12k drum mags, a bunch of CETME(?) mags, regular AR mags, and a bunch of Crapco AK mags[/QUOTE]
The "CETME" mags should fit a CETME, but they're actually surplus paratrooper magazines for the G3. I've got like 10 of them for my PTR, they're surprisingly solid for being aluminum. Dirt cheap too, you're getting ripped off if you pay more than $3-4 for one.
EDIT: Also, what do you guys think of AK Operators Union? Guy seems to have a shit ton of videos on nothing but civilian AKs, is his information any good?
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