[QUOTE=DPKiller;51938251]So I was shooting at a coyote just a second ago without a light with my .22, I swear it just sat there like "what the hell is making zining sounds past me?"
I didn't hit it and it ran off.
But I think I woke a neighbor and I herd a bigger single shot coming from his direction followed by a yelp.
With our 26 bullets combined we will take down this enemy.
I wish I could find a good tac light for a AR that's 300+ lumens with a large reflector so I can see what I'm aiming at with my reflex sight..... I have a Fenix UC35 but its currently sent for RMA but it doesn't have a big enough reflector housing...
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Out of curiosity, why shoot coyotes?
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;51939335]Out of curiosity, why shoot coyotes?[/QUOTE]
Threat to livestock, children, and pets. I work in a metro area and they keep eating everyone's cats because they're too stupid to keep them in at night. Even had to buy signs when they started asking why the board/security wasn't doing anything about it.
The only unethical shot on a coyote or wild boar is the one you don't take :buckteeth:
Yeah coyotes are little pussy bastards, nothing you could do to them could be considered "inhumane", as long as it ends up dead.
I'm a big softie for animals and don't like seeing anything suffer, and even I think that if he shot a coyote with a .22 and it was obviously still alive and screaming in pain, he'd have the common decency to finish it off.
[QUOTE=Birdman101;51939753]Yeah coyotes are little pussy bastards, nothing you could do to them could be considered "inhumane", as long as it ends up dead.[/QUOTE]
with a .22 would it end up dead though?
pest removal is a necessary thing but at least kill the poor bastard instead of letting it bleed out later or die from infection
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[QUOTE=Birdman101;51939753]Yeah coyotes are little pussy bastards, nothing you could do to them could be considered "inhumane", as long as it ends up dead.[/QUOTE]
Man, theyre just animals, theres nothing malicious about them. Using a 22 is just a dick thing to do on an animal that big. If you can kill the animal in 1 shot, then you dont need to be shooting at it.
I do pest control for a living, so rats and mice make my life hell, but I dont just torture them because of it. Hell, even skunks make my life hell, and the listed way to kill them is to either inject them with acetone, or shoot them in the gut with a pellet gun and let them bleed out so they curl up and squeeze their spray gland shut, and I refuse to do that.
Dont be an ass hole.
Do I need all this fucking equipment to reload a shotgun shell???? Can't I just use the press to press the primers in and do the rest by hand? It's just powder + shot cup + shot + shot card + some kind of soft glue to hold the shot card in, right?
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51939956]skunks make my life hell, and the listed way to kill them is to either inject them with acetone[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51939956]inject them with acetone[/QUOTE]
holy shit that's pretty cruel, it would be more humane to behead them with a chainsaw
also how do you even manage to get that close and give it an injection without getting sprayed
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51939956]Man, theyre just animals, theres nothing malicious about them. Using a 22 is just a dick thing to do on an animal that big. If you can kill the animal in 1 shot, then you dont need to be shooting at it.
I do pest control for a living, so rats and mice make my life hell, but I dont just torture them because of it. Hell, even skunks make my life hell, and the listed way to kill them is to either inject them with acetone, or shoot them in the gut with a pellet gun and let them bleed out so they curl up and squeeze their spray gland shut, and I refuse to do that.
Dont be an ass hole.[/QUOTE]
Whats your opinion on sticky mouse traps?
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51940212]holy shit that's pretty cruel, it would be more humane to behead them with a chainsaw
also how do you even manage to get that close and give it an injection without getting sprayed[/QUOTE]
I believe standard practice is to catch them in a cage trap, though I could be wrong.
A .223 varmint cartridge to the head is the way I'd go, personally.
That, or drive them to a forest preserve 30 miles away to release them. That'd probably end up being my default option, I don't like killing things if I can avoid it. Part of why I don't really plan on getting into hunting at this point.
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51940212]holy shit that's pretty cruel, it would be more humane to behead them with a chainsaw
also how do you even manage to get that close and give it an injection without getting sprayed[/QUOTE]
If you cover the live trap (assuming thats how you catch them) with a blanket or tarp, you can sneak up on them pretty easily, theyre also confined in there so if you approach towards their front, they normally cant get you. When I deal with them, I wear a tyvek and a face shield just in case anyways.
They also make a syringe thats on a long pole for the purpose. But again, its very cruel to do it like that.
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[QUOTE=Birdman101;51940543]Whats your opinion on sticky mouse traps?[/QUOTE]
Mouse glue boards suck because theyre too small and the glue is on there too thin. Ive seen mice chew their way through them before. The rat trays are much better because theyre larger, the glue is thicker, they cant chew throuh the tray, and will hold more mice on them.
As far as how humane it is, its pretty good. Mice are very panicky creatures if they get confined, so if they get stuck on there theyll expire pretty quick because they basically panick themselves to death. Although I have found tails and limbs alone on glue boards where a mouse got caught on it and chewed their legs off to get away. Lil bastards.
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[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51940813]I believe standard practice is to catch them in a cage trap, though I could be wrong.
A .223 varmint cartridge to the head is the way I'd go, personally.
That, or drive them to a forest preserve 30 miles away to release them. That'd probably end up being my default option, I don't like killing things if I can avoid it. Part of why I don't really plan on getting into hunting at this point.[/QUOTE]
A 22lr to the head would be fine really, but I'm contracted out a lot for DoD type stuff and cant carry a gun in my work truck.
Skunks will also travel like 10-20 miles from their burrows so relocation doesnt always work unless you go a hundred or so miles away.
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Firearms XV - Cyke talks pest control
Cyke for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51940891]A 22lr to the head would be fine really, but I'm contracted out a lot for DoD type stuff and cant carry a gun in my work truck.[/QUOTE]
Think they'd let you use a captive bolt device?
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51940813]I believe standard practice is to catch them in a cage trap, though I could be wrong.
A .223 varmint cartridge to the head is the way I'd go, personally.
That, or drive them to a forest preserve 30 miles away to release them. That'd probably end up being my default option, I don't like killing things if I can avoid it. Part of why I don't really plan on getting into hunting at this point.[/QUOTE]
I'm with you but hunting is different IMO as long as you're actually eating the animal and it's not for sport.
[QUOTE=Levelog;51941031]I'm with you but hunting is different IMO as long as you're actually eating the animal and it's not for sport.[/QUOTE]
I'm live and let live about hunting. Sport or survival, people will do it and I can't change it, I'll never look down on someone for doing it unless they're breaking the law or being inhumane about it.
I will never hunt. It goes against my personal beliefs, I'll never kill an animal if I can avoid it, unless that animal is threatening life or property.
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[QUOTE=Birdman101;51940543]Whats your opinion on sticky mouse traps?[/QUOTE]
No, never, awful.
There's no excuse for glue traps when snap traps and electric traps exist and much more likely kill instantly.
I love meat but will never hunt while I can buy meat at the store. Just don't see the reason for me personally to go out and kill an animal when there's so much surplus that I can buy venison at walmart.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51941165]I love meat but will never hunt while I can buy meat at the store. Just don't see the reason for me personally to go out and kill an animal when there's so much surplus that I can buy venison at walmart.[/QUOTE]
I've never seen venison at Wal-Mart :drool:
yeah was gonna say what fuckin' walmart are you going to
Honestly I don't know why I said walmart, I meant the local meat market ???
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;51941212]next you'll tell me you can't buy moose or reindeer at your local grocery store either.. where do you live, 1973 ukraine?[/QUOTE]
I bought reindeer burgers at some random chain store in downtown Oslo. No such luck here for the most part. US blows.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51941018]Think they'd let you use a captive bolt device?[/QUOTE]
Probably not. My truck is torn apart at a station by MP's every time I go on base and I have to explain what everything does. They were skeptical once about letting me bring a PVC pipe in with a funnel taped on top, which I use to get gopher bait into gopher holes.
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[QUOTE=Sonador;51941134]
No, never, awful.
There's no excuse for glue traps when snap traps and electric traps exist and much more likely kill instantly.[/QUOTE]
Snap traps honestly suck. They only catch one mouse [i]sometimes[/i], and if you're trying to catch rats with a rat snap and a mouse gets into it, it makes a huge mess. Rodents are also very trap shy, so if they trigger the trap and it doesn't kill them, then they will piss on it and every snap trap they see to dissuade others from getting caught in them. Once something is on a glueboard, its on there forever unless they gnaw their limbs off, which they very seldom do.
Electric traps are laughable, some of my customers use them and they never have anything in them, but my repeater does...
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51941349]
Snap traps honestly suck. They only catch one mouse [i]sometimes[/i], and if you're trying to catch rats with a rat snap and a mouse gets into it, it makes a huge mess.[/QUOTE]
Holy crap i did not think about that, i bet ive seen a mouse in more pieces from what my cats do, but that still sounds like a pita to clean up.
Honestly i dont see much difference between hunting some bunnies for sport, killing a coyote with something that has a chance of not instantly killing it painlessly, or shooting a deer to feed your family and thanking the deer for ts beautiful life and shit. its not like you can garunteed eat the bunnies either, seems like about half of them out here have that spotted liver crap.
Point is, as long as youre not sadistially torturing animals for whatever sick kicks you get from it, it makes no difference to me if you blow its head off instantly, or if you miss and gutshot it and it runs off into the forest to bleed out. Even with the noblest of intentions and super duper high power expanding bullets, that shit happens all the time in deer hunting.
[QUOTE=Birdman101;51941542]Holy crap i did not think about that, i bet ive seen a mouse in more pieces from what my cats do, but that still sounds like a pita to clean up.
Honestly i dont see much difference between hunting some bunnies for sport, killing a coyote with something that has a chance of not instantly killing it painlessly, or shooting a deer to feed your family and thanking the deer for ts beautiful life and shit. its not like you can garunteed eat the bunnies either, seems like about half of them out here have that spotted liver crap.
Point is, as long as youre not sadistially torturing animals for whatever sick kicks you get from it, it makes no difference to me if you blow its head off instantly, or if you miss and gutshot it and it runs off into the forest to bleed out. Even with the noblest of intentions and super duper high power expanding bullets, that shit happens all the time in deer hunting.[/QUOTE]
Theres a difference from missing a shot and causing some pain, and just being negligent and using an improper tool for the job.
You wouldnt use a 22lr for home defense (unless youre a complete fucking idiot), why would you use it to kill a coyote on your land?
In all seriousness, if you're going to take an animals life for one reason or another, you should put in 100% effort to make it as painless as possible.
I get that coyotes are a nuisance to most and a legitimate threat to the livelihood of others, and I guess if I saw one harassing my hypothetical cattle or etc. and all I had in quick access was a .22 I would blast it no question, but going out of your way to make it as painful as you can for the animal is kinda pointless to me, I've never liked to cause undue suffering to critters. I'm a softie for animals, though.
I'm not saying don't hunt or control pests (I approve of both considering the deer problem in my town is HUGE), but you should always try to do either with as much respect for the animal as you can reasonably have. Mistakes will happen, yeah, but proper caliber and ammo choice reduces that significantly.
[QUOTE=Levelog;51941031]I'm with you but hunting is different IMO as long as you're actually eating the animal and it's not for sport.[/QUOTE]
I've got no problem with other people hunting for sport or food. The only way I'd hunt though is if it were the difference between putting food on the table for the winter or starving. Outside of that, nah. I'm happy with my target shooting.
If I ever did it, I'd probably end up going to Wisconsin to hunt. Illinois hunting laws are a pain in the ass, I'd have to buy a muzzle-loader if I didn't want to spend the time learning how to shoot a bow accurately.
Fuck y'all are a bunch of goobs. I will shoot anything that threatens my livestock with any caliber I decide is good enough to reach it and deliver the package. The .22 in this situation is the best weapon to use, as a 5.56 would scare the livestock even more and the neighbours, yes it does not have much power but any core shot will kill it pretty fast enough anyways. Plus I gotta go retrieve it and throw it in the ditch so he ain't gonna be suffering for long.
I got 2 of the 3 last night at around 2am. They were already dead by the time I rode up with my 4wheeler. You lose money over cattle that the profit margin is already very thin and see what you will do.
[QUOTE=DPKiller;51941738]Fuck y'all are a bunch of goobs. I will shoot anything that threatens my livestock with any caliber I decide is good enough to reach it and deliver the package. The .22 in this situation is the best weapon to use, as a 5.56 would scare the livestock even more and the neighbours, yes it does not have much power but any core shot will kill it pretty fast enough anyways. Plus I gotta go retrieve it and throw it in the ditch so he ain't gonna be suffering for long.
I got 2 of the 3 last night at around 2am. They were already dead by the time I rode up with my 4wheeler. You lose money over cattle that the profit margin is already very thin and see what you will do.[/QUOTE]
Obviously it wasnt the right tool for the job since you didnt even hit the damn thing.
If youre worried about scaring cows (because theyre not scared by 22s, or coyotes apparently) then invest in a suppressor.
If your job is to protect your cattle, then you suck at it.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51941822]Obviously it wasnt the right tool for the job since you didnt even hit the damn thing.
If youre worried about scaring cows (because theyre not scared by 22s, or coyotes apparently) then invest in a suppressor.
If your job is to protect your cattle, then you suck at it.[/QUOTE]
Well it was not the correct tool because I needed a flashlight. I borrowed one from a neighbor afterwords alittle sun optics or something.... I swear I did a update post....
After I got the light I nailed 2.
I have a borrowed can but still don't like shooting it as I can't send a entire mag down range compared to a this .22 as I can just pull the trigger over and over and get em.
I roughly protect them. I ain't no Jesus by any means.
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