Firearms XIV - All the Calicos Are Over There - General

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52119049]Still looking at scopes. What do y'all make of this thing? [url]https://kalinkaoptics.com/posp-8x42-2000-d-variposp-pro-w-bdc-turret-1000m-reticle-picatinny.html[/url] I had a quick look at the differences between 7.62x54r and 7.62NATO, and they seem to be really close, ballistically speaking. Anyone think this optic is worth getting? Anyone with experience think it's shit?[/QUOTE] It is for the PTR, yes? I think you need to consider a few things: 1) the PTR, with the exception of the psg clone, is a battle rifle. It is accurate, but not a sniper rifle. 2) consider what you want to do with the rifle. If it isn't for killing humans, then you don't need a combat reticle. Those work for other stuff, but a standard mildot will make your life easier. 3) Given that it isn't a precision rifle, is it better to buy an extremely fine tuned instrument, or an optic that will take a beating? Look back at what you originally wanted. It wasn't a precision scope.

I don't need it to be super precise.This'd be almost exclusively for the range, so you're probably right that I don't need the super fancy reticle. I kind of want it though. Call it second kind of cool. Also, from what little I've heard about POSPs, they're fairly rugged. I think DaCommie owns one, maybe he'll have something to add when he sees this.

Just found out why rebarrelling my No5 was taking so long: it wasn't, I just left the wrong phone number with the gunsmith and he couldn't contact me. Picking it up tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52119049]Still looking at scopes. What do y'all make of this thing? [url]https://kalinkaoptics.com/posp-8x42-2000-d-variposp-pro-w-bdc-turret-1000m-reticle-picatinny.html[/url] I had a quick look at the differences between 7.62x54r and 7.62NATO, and they seem to be really close, ballistically speaking. Anyone think this optic is worth getting? Anyone with experience think it's shit?[/QUOTE] That 1 MOA windage adjustment though. That would bother the shit out of me. I get it that it's not meant for nipping a hair off a flys ass, but if you're just a tad away from getting it dialed in 1 click equates to a full inch off center.

Even the more "precise" Russian scopes tend to only adjust in 1/2MOA.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;52119237]Even the more "precise" Russian scopes tend to only adjust in 1/2MOA.[/QUOTE] I know, and I understand why. But as a civilian I can afford to have greater precision than the military, and shooting precisely at 500 yards is more fun for me than just hitting a 40" gong.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52119267]I know, and I understand why. But as a civilian I can afford to have greater precision than the military, and shooting precisely at 500 yards is more fun for me than just hitting a 40" gong.[/QUOTE] I'm not good enough a shooter that it'll make a difference. :v: Fuck it. I'm getting it. Second kind of cool. [editline]18th April 2017[/editline] Besides, if I'd wanted a rifle with sub-MOA accuracy, I wouldn't have gotten a PTR. Furthest I can shoot around here is 300, and that's at a range over an hour north of me.

Anyone have a Mossberg 590A1? I really want one and they're pretty cheap

[QUOTE=download;52119204]Just found out why rebarrelling my No5 was taking so long: it wasn't, I just left the wrong phone number with the gunsmith and he couldn't contact me. Picking it up tomorrow.[/QUOTE] Did something similar with getting my sks from my ffl, i didn't leave a phone number. I had to go in on my lunch break a few days after to give it to them once I realized, and I was in a filthy uniform from cleaning a grill and had vanilla ice cream sprayed all over me, with my hair just frazzled and sticking out of my dairy queen visor. In retrospect I should have called but I wantes to nab it asap if it was there. The fact that they sold it to me after seeing me look legitimately derranged is one of the more legit points for gun control

My order from Varusteleka is still not here. Posti (finland mail) says they turned it over to USPS on March 26 and USPS won't even let me start to file a complaint because the sender's address is not in the US. What the fuck is this

I built my first AR (well, prebuilt upper, I assembled the lower) [img]http://i.imgur.com/fSfCevoh.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;52121868]Anyone have a Mossberg 590A1? I really want one and they're pretty cheap[/QUOTE] Give me a few weeks and I'll have a 590 Marine.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52122030]What do you need it for that the ultra cheap Mossberg 88 (or even the 500) won't do? I have an 88 so I'm just curious.[/QUOTE] I'm moving to Alaska pretty soon and plan on being outdoors quite a bit and want a shotgun I can never worry about and something that can reliably handle slugs. To be honest I don't know if it's any better than a 88, I just know the 590A1s are stupid tough. Also I love the 20in barrel, 8 shot tube, heat shield and bayonet lug lol [editline]19th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;52123521]Give me a few weeks and I'll have a 590 Marine.[/QUOTE] Nice and thanks! Also you being Canadian, are there many tube limits up there and many shotgun limits? I'll be driving through Canada to Alaska with a shotgun, probably getting the 590 soon and maybe my K98.

The only magazine capacity restrictions are for semi-automatics, which must have the magazine permanently limited to 5 rounds for centrefire rifles, 10 rounds for all pistols. When you're hunting with a shotgun though, the tube needs to be plugged to 2 rounds, so you can only fit a total of 3 shots in the gun. I had to cut a dowel to put in my lever shotgun to accomplish this. If you're going to be driving through Canada to Alaska with guns, call the CBSA and see if you need to get a permit beforehand or if you can get it at the border. I know there is a temporary permit that visitors can get to possess firearms and ammunition for up to 60 days within Canada, but since I live here I don't know how one gets said permit. I do know, of course, that you can only bring in things that are legal in Canada. Also basically don't bother trying to bring an AR or a pistol through. It's not likely that you'll be allowed to, and it's also not likely that your magazines for them are compliant with Canadian law.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;52126312]The only magazine capacity restrictions are for semi-automatics, which must have the magazine permanently limited to 5 rounds for centrefire rifles, 10 rounds for all pistols. When you're hunting with a shotgun though, the tube needs to be plugged to 2 rounds, so you can only fit a total of 3 shots in the gun. I had to cut a dowel to put in my lever shotgun to accomplish this. If you're going to be driving through Canada to Alaska with guns, call the CBSA and see if you need to get a permit beforehand or if you can get it at the border. I know there is a temporary permit that visitors can get to possess firearms and ammunition for up to 60 days within Canada, but since I live here I don't know how one gets said permit. I do know, of course, that you can only bring in things that are legal in Canada. Also basically don't bother trying to bring an AR or a pistol through. It's not likely that you'll be allowed to, and it's also not likely that your magazines for them are compliant with Canadian law.[/QUOTE] Thank you for the info, I've done a bit of research but was just wondering what an actual Canadian could provide. I'll be sure to call your guys border control (RCMP or whoever) So an 8 shot 590 would be okay? I'm not sure if things like bayonet lugs would be banned. I'll have to buy a case I can lock probably for it. [editline]19th April 2017[/editline] Do laws change by province?

I've had at various times an 18.5" maverick 88, a pistol gripped 500, 24" full choked turkey 500 and a 20" ghost ring 590A1. I still have the 88 (truck gun) the pistol gripped 500 (eventually gonna buy a shockwave barrel/sig brace for it for giggles. would be my bump in the night gun but the last thing i wanna do is be "legal" with that) and the 590A1. They're all tough guns the 88 is a great beater shotgun i've had mine for almost 12 years now. the 500 and the 590A1 just work they do what you ask without complaining I went through 4 turkey seasons with the choked 500 and it never skipped a beat. The 590A1 I used for 3 gun for a long time before switching to a benelli M2 and it's been beat to hell and back and I've never had a problem with it. Even though it's been dropped in mud, slammed into stage barrels, bounced off fence poles, and slid into dirt. All of the mossberg pumps are resilient but for what you wanna do with it you can't go wrong with a 590A1.

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;52126407]Thank you for the info, I've done a bit of research but was just wondering what an actual Canadian could provide. I'll be sure to call your guys border control (RCMP or whoever) So an 8 shot 590 would be okay? I'm not sure if things like bayonet lugs would be banned. I'll have to buy a case I can lock probably for it. [editline]19th April 2017[/editline] Do laws change by province?[/QUOTE] There are no bans on aesthetic or functional features, only bans on guns by name, except handguns in which case there are bans by calibre and barrel length. I had an AR with a bayonet lug on it, my dad still does. The border patrol, as I mentioned, is the CBSA, the Canadian Border Services Agency. As to whether or not a 9-shot Mossberg 590A1 with bayonet lug and bayonet is legal in Canada, [url=http://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/mossberg-590a1-spx-12ga-2-3-4-or-3-20-barrel-9-shot.html]I'd say so.[/url] Also [url=http://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/canuck-defender-pump-shotgun-walnut-12ga-2-3-4-or-3-14-barrel-5-shot.html]this 14" pump[/url] can be purchased just as easily as that Mossberg and can even be taken hunting, since it's also non-restricted. You don't technically need to lock the gun while it's being transported since it's non-restricted, however when you stop at a hotel it would become "in storage," in which case it would need to be rendered inoperable by removal of some part (such as leaving the barrel in your car and taking the gun inside) or by locking it. TBH though a lot of cops don't know that, and the CBSA probably also doesn't know that, so locking it will just make your life easier. If you're getting it new it should come with a Mossberg cable lock you can put through the action and out the bottom of the loading port, since Mossbergs use a skeletonized lifting arm. Also, thankfully, all firearms laws are federal. Provinces do not have the right to enact criminal law, and firearms law is criminal law. Provinces can regulate how you use your guns (to an extent), but they cannot prohibit the ownership of certain guns or certain features of guns. The fact that American states can honestly baffles me, it seems so stupid, nonsensical, and inefficient.

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;52121868]Anyone have a Mossberg 590A1? I really want one and they're pretty cheap[/QUOTE] I have a 590A1 and I highly recommend them. I love my gun and it's never let me down. I was lucky and picked mine up used from a pawn shop for $300

[QUOTE=PandaJuggernaut;52126577]I've had at various times an 18.5" maverick 88, a pistol gripped 500, 24" full choked turkey 500 and a 20" ghost ring 590A1. I still have the 88 (truck gun) the pistol gripped 500 (eventually gonna buy a shockwave barrel/sig brace for it for giggles. would be my bump in the night gun but the last thing i wanna do is be "legal" with that) and the 590A1. They're all tough guns the 88 is a great beater shotgun i've had mine for almost 12 years now. the 500 and the 590A1 just work they do what you ask without complaining I went through 4 turkey seasons with the choked 500 and it never skipped a beat. The 590A1 I used for 3 gun for a long time before switching to a benelli M2 and it's been beat to hell and back and I've never had a problem with it. Even though it's been dropped in mud, slammed into stage barrels, bounced off fence poles, and slid into dirt. All of the mossberg pumps are resilient but for what you wanna do with it you can't go wrong with a 590A1.[/QUOTE] It sounds like every mossberg would be just fine, I just have to find the best deal but honestly I've been so fixated on the 590, it'll still be what I'll be searching for the most. Thank you! [editline]19th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;52126613]There are no bans on aesthetic or functional features, only bans on guns by name, except handguns in which case there are bans by calibre and barrel length. I had an AR with a bayonet lug on it, my dad still does. The border patrol, as I mentioned, is the CBSA, the Canadian Border Services Agency. As to whether or not a 9-shot Mossberg 590A1 with bayonet lug and bayonet is legal in Canada, [url=http://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/mossberg-590a1-spx-12ga-2-3-4-or-3-20-barrel-9-shot.html]I'd say so.[/url] Also [url=http://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/canuck-defender-pump-shotgun-walnut-12ga-2-3-4-or-3-14-barrel-5-shot.html]this 14" pump[/url] can be purchased just as easily as that Mossberg and can even be taken hunting, since it's also non-restricted. You don't technically need to lock the gun while it's being transported since it's non-restricted, however when you stop at a hotel it would become "in storage," in which case it would need to be rendered inoperable by removal of some part (such as leaving the barrel in your car and taking the gun inside) or by locking it. TBH though a lot of cops don't know that, and the CBSA probably also doesn't know that, so locking it will just make your life easier. If you're getting it new it should come with a Mossberg cable lock you can put through the action and out the bottom of the loading port, since Mossbergs use a skeletonized lifting arm. Also, thankfully, all firearms laws are federal. Provinces do not have the right to enact criminal law, and firearms law is criminal law. Provinces can regulate how you use your guns (to an extent), but they cannot prohibit the ownership of certain guns or certain features of guns. The fact that American states can honestly baffles me, it seems so stupid, nonsensical, and inefficient.[/QUOTE] Oh sorry on the border patrol part, but everything else sounds great. I'll make sure to follow your guys laws to the T, don't really want to be arrested in when traveling on orders lol. [editline]19th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=jgerm529;52126627]I have a 590A1 and I highly recommend them. I love my gun and it's never let me down. I was lucky and picked mine up used from a pawn shop for $300[/QUOTE] Hope I get lucky like you!

That 5-round capacity limit on semi-autos is kinda ridiculous, imo. Even California isn't that draconian.

Could you just.... buy the gun once you get to Alaska?

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;52126613]There are no bans on aesthetic or functional features, only bans on guns by name, except handguns in which case there are bans by calibre and barrel length. I had an AR with a bayonet lug on it, my dad still does. The border patrol, as I mentioned, is the CBSA, the Canadian Border Services Agency. As to whether or not a 9-shot Mossberg 590A1 with bayonet lug and bayonet is legal in Canada, [url=http://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/mossberg-590a1-spx-12ga-2-3-4-or-3-20-barrel-9-shot.html]I'd say so.[/url] Also [url=http://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/canuck-defender-pump-shotgun-walnut-12ga-2-3-4-or-3-14-barrel-5-shot.html]this 14" pump[/url] can be purchased just as easily as that Mossberg and can even be taken hunting, since it's also non-restricted. You don't technically need to lock the gun while it's being transported since it's non-restricted, however when you stop at a hotel it would become "in storage," in which case it would need to be rendered inoperable by removal of some part (such as leaving the barrel in your car and taking the gun inside) or by locking it. TBH though a lot of cops don't know that, and the CBSA probably also doesn't know that, so locking it will just make your life easier. If you're getting it new it should come with a Mossberg cable lock you can put through the action and out the bottom of the loading port, since Mossbergs use a skeletonized lifting arm. Also, thankfully, all firearms laws are federal. Provinces do not have the right to enact criminal law, and firearms law is criminal law. Provinces can regulate how you use your guns (to an extent), but they cannot prohibit the ownership of certain guns or certain features of guns. The fact that American states can honestly baffles me, it seems so stupid, nonsensical, and inefficient.[/QUOTE] By making it federal law you create a one-stop shop for anyi-gun lobbiests. We've stubbornly resisted any federalisation of our guns laws here in Australia for that reason.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;52127119]Could you just.... buy the gun once you get to Alaska?[/QUOTE] You need to get a license to buy and possess firearms, iirc, which involves a certain amount of time in the classroom. And I don't even know if non-Canadians would be allowed to take it.

My local shop just got in a Type 99 Arisaka and I kind of want to buy it but I dont know a whole lot about them.

[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;52126086]I'm moving to Alaska pretty soon and plan on being outdoors quite a bit and want a shotgun I can never worry about and something that can reliably handle slugs. To be honest I don't know if it's any better than a 88, I just know the 590A1s are stupid tough. Also I love the 20in barrel, 8 shot tube, heat shield and bayonet lug lol [editline]19th April 2017[/editline] Nice and thanks! Also you being Canadian, are there many tube limits up there and many shotgun limits? I'll be driving through Canada to Alaska with a shotgun, probably getting the 590 soon and maybe my K98.[/QUOTE] Just ship them to yourself in Alaska. Don't risk it.

[QUOTE=DepDirkson;52127241]My local shop just got in a Type 99 Arisaka and I kind of want to buy it but I dont know a whole lot about them.[/QUOTE] If the Type 99s I've handled are anything to go by, gunmaking was not one of Japan's strengths. They're interesting historical pieces, but I don't know if they are terribly good guns. Maybe I've only handled bad ones. I do know that like most WW2 participants' primary arms, the build quality gets worse as the years drag on. They were all stamped with an icon of the Japanese Emperor, the chrysanthemum, but when the rifles were surrendered en masse the chrysanthemum was ground off, something about honor, so keep an eye out for that too.

[QUOTE=download;52127120]By making it federal law you create a one-stop shop for anyi-gun lobbiests. We've stubbornly resisted any federalisation of our guns laws here in Australia for that reason.[/QUOTE] Yes, but it also means that I don't have to worry about becoming a felon if I take my guns across the border to Manitoba, and it means no hoopla when I buy a gun from a company in BC, or an individual in Alberta. All the bullshit in Australia is the result of federal laws anyway. It's not like Queensland allows semis but NSW doesn't. [editline]19th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Psychokitten;52127099]That 5-round capacity limit on semi-autos is kinda ridiculous, imo. Even California isn't that draconian.[/QUOTE] All but like 2 of the candidates for the Conservative party leadership have said they'd repeal magazine capacity restrictions if they get elected in 2019. So all we need to do is elect the Conservatives in 2019.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;52127411]All but like 2 of the candidates for the Conservative party leadership have said they'd repeal magazine capacity restrictions if they get elected in 2019. So all we need to do is elect the Conservatives in 2019.[/QUOTE] Good luck with that then, seriously. I just hope that if they do get elected, you guys aren't getting more reasonable gun regulations at the same time as a load of bullshit in other areas like we are down here.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;52127411]Yes, but it also means that I don't have to worry about becoming a felon if I take my guns across the border to Manitoba, and it means no hoopla when I buy a gun from a company in BC, or an individual in Alberta. All the bullshit in Australia is the result of federal laws anyway. It's not like Queensland allows semis but NSW doesn't. [/QUOTE] It's not federal laws, it's an agreement between states that's falling apart.

[QUOTE=download;52127475]It's not federal laws, it's an agreement between states that's falling apart.[/QUOTE] I was under the impression that Australia's gun laws were a federal law passed after the Port Arthur massacre, and that it can be modified to an extent by the states. Can you provide some more reading on it so I can understand it better? I always like keeping up on gun control around the world, especially Australia because there have been attempts within the Liberal party to pass a resolution asking for them to implement "Australia-style gun control" in Canada.